H1 vs FZ5 test pics

boomz--

if they're 5 megpixels they oughta be like 1.4 to 2.6 megapixels.
i have some with digital zoom, like a bird in the sky, that are
around 800 megapixels, but none that are as small as yours.
They are 5MP now. You can see it in the EXIF data. But he used standard compression setting instead of fine, so we're losing some detail.
do you think maybe they are being resized when you put them up on
your server?

program mode is fine, but i don't think that automatically sets the
NATURAL/STANDARD/VIVID modes on the FZ5. THose are set in the
menu, and I believe (could be wrong) that they, in turn, control
what gets reports in teh EXIF under CONTRAST/SATURATION/SHARPNESS.
I'd be surprised if any mode would change those settings...
In your pool pix, for example, these settings were "normal" in the
Sony EXIF, but HIGH saturation and HARD sharpness in the FZ5 pix.

I think the PROGRAM mode idea is fine as far as it goes, but see
note above regarding other settings in the cameras.

And I think you ought to use the IS on both cameras. Whichever is
the best setting for that on the Sony, and S2 setting on the FZ5.

You're doing a fine job at a useful task so keep it up and know
that it's much appreciated.
I, too, appreciate all your effort, though as I pointed out
elsewhere, when the comparisons are a little off, and the pictures
aren't full size 5 megapixel shots, and the settings are slightly
different, well, these things limit the usefulness of the pictures.
Thanks.

I know and that's why I'm trying to get help getting it correct.

Hence, the open book policy and letting everybody in on what's
going on.

I believe that the current photos are all 5 MP. So wondering why
you brought it up.

Putting it on program mode will show what is best for the camera
according to Sony and Panasonic. I guess the settings will have to
be different by allowing this.

I'm keeping in mind that the average user will be using the P-mode
more than the other modes.
may I suggest simplifying the process, picking a half-dozen varied
subject and shooting them carerfully with preferred settings in the
cameras?
Sorry, but what do you mean by 'preferred' settings? I kinda asked
myself that before I started this and decided again on the each
camera's program mode - the primary concern it to make sure that
other users will be able to repeat the settings at any given time,
hence using the preset factory Program Mode is the best way of
ensuring this.

If my concept is wrong, could you please explain a little more of
what you have in mind, thanks.
I guess that would be one wide shot, and one full tele (no digital
tele) of the same subject.
Didn't I do this already in all three different scenes ie Pool
shots, Day shots, & Night shots.

Then a street scene, stuff withing 50

OK I'll try to include a street scene for you.
feet or so, again a wide shot and a tele close up of some detail in
the scene.
Hmmm... this one is going to be tough. Maybe this won't happen. No
one I know wants their photo online to be scrutinised lol!

And a portrait, too, a least a snapshot of head and
shoulders, or headshot of some person. it's just a suggestion,
maybe not a great one at that.

Anyway, keep up the good work--
Thanks. I'll try .... :)

Cheers!
 
Hi FBX,
if they're 5 megpixels they oughta be like 1.4 to 2.6 megapixels.
i have some with digital zoom, like a bird in the sky, that are
around 800 megapixels, but none that are as small as yours.
Interesting .... on file my smallest is 1mp (P1020100) and largest is 2.3 (P1020093) ....
do you think maybe they are being resized when you put them up on
your server?
.... so your theory might be right about this resizing. That way they can host more photos on their server.
program mode is fine, but i don't think that automatically sets the
NATURAL/STANDARD/VIVID modes on the FZ5. THose are set in the
menu, and I believe (could be wrong) that they, in turn, control
what gets reports in teh EXIF under CONTRAST/SATURATION/SHARPNESS.
With Sony, these three were easy to find and set. They are also termed exactly as written.

I went through the Pan manual and nothing about being able to control the Contrast, Saturation and Sharpness.

What I did find is this explanation on 'Quality' - TIFF(uncompressed), Fine (low compression) and Standard (high compression). I chose 'low compression'.

Could this be the reason for the 'high & hard' in the FZ5 photos?

p/s: when I right click properties summary in Windows Explorer, I don't see the full EXIF. How do you get those to show up eg contrast ... etc.
In your pool pix, for example, these settings were "normal" in the
Sony EXIF, but HIGH saturation and HARD sharpness in the FZ5 pix.

I think the PROGRAM mode idea is fine as far as it goes, but see
note above regarding other settings in the cameras.

And I think you ought to use the IS on both cameras. Whichever is
the best setting for that on the Sony, and S2 setting on the FZ5.
Yep, even with my brand new Bogen tripod, I did use them while taking those photos :)
You're doing a fine job at a useful task so keep it up and know
that it's much appreciated.
Arrgh .... I'll have to cancel (well I'm trying to ask fotopic.net to transfer the H1 vs FZ5 photos to my regular boomzfoto.fotopic.net account). I got suspended. My bad, I didn't read the rules properly. They don't allow two accounts by the same person.

Sorry about this guys.

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken with the FZ5.
 
Thanks!

And not to be picky but the capr is an off-black color which doesn't match either the silver nor the blackFZ5 models ... what's up with that?! LOL!

Oh, I love the one on the H1 ... its a four way lock! 10 points to Sony!

(hoping) someday, all lens caps should be made this way!
Oh, I wanted to add that I thought your personal comments were very
useful too. That lens cap business is a mess on the FZ5. You
can't tell whether it's on or about to fall off!
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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken with the FZ5.
 
Yo Ngari,

We're talking about putting the cap on the camera and not on the adaptor :)

On the adaptor the fit is much better.
Lens cap about to fall off - You need to fasten it then! I thought
the same with mine until I found out how to fasten it. It needs a
twist (see markings of unlock and lock. If it is difficult, hold on
to the thin part inside the adapter and twist the adapter itself so
it locks (a lot smoother than forcing it onto the camera by a
direct twist). When locked it will not be loose and fall off
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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken with the FZ5.
 
BUT a way to compare the camera's under controlled conditions by a professional review site. See my post above if you want to look at Pic's side by side of each camera.
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Regards

Eric/USA Panasonic FZ20 :0) + Olympus 2020z :0) [ex Nikon 5700 :0(]
 
Hey Ngari Bradda!
I think you have made interesting comparison shots - and it's been
educational to see this comparison develop with comments from other
forum members.
Thanks ... yes, the comments are the most valuable to me.
The Sony looks like a great camera too, maybe with a
slightly sharper photo quality than the FZ5. It weighs almost twice
though of the FZ5 (500 vs 300grams) which matter a lot to some of
us,
Weight and size matters to me too. I'm still looking out for that 'perfect' camera so in the meantime I went and got a small travelling camera which gave me a lot more than the standard compact 3x optical zoomies.
and should maybe be compared more with the FZ20?
I wanted to do that at first but I don't have a FZ20 at hand so the FZ5 was the stand in.
Anyway, I am
very happy with my FZ5 so I checked out your thread mostly for
curiosity (I will not switch).
Not giving up mine too ... its a really compact, fun and quick camera! I just slip it into my waist pouch and take it everywhere I go. This one I'm keeping! ....... err ... you wanna buy a Sony V1 or T1? Hehe ........
Saw a review of the Sony here
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/H1/H1A.HTM and it gets good
points there. It is a good looking camera for sure. The 2,5 inch
LCD looks great!

Keep up the good work - it's always nice to see photos from
Honolulu anyway (11 years since I was there last - how time flies)!
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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken with the FZ5.
 
In another of my post for help on where to find these in the FZ5, it appears that with the FZ5, you can't control these 3 factors. Hence, this explains the different readings in the EXIF data between FZ5 shots. The camera selects the best on its own - pretty interesting.

The only thing you can control is what Pana calls 'Picture Adjustment' - Natural, Standard and Vivid are the choices.

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken with the FZ5.
 
I think Vivid selects high saturation and hard sharpening (seems so according to imaging-resource). http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/FZ5/FZ5A10.HTM

I'd be very upset if those were adjusted automatically.

Maxx
In another of my post for help on where to find these in the FZ5,
it appears that with the FZ5, you can't control these 3 factors.
Hence, this explains the different readings in the EXIF data
between FZ5 shots. The camera selects the best on its own - pretty
interesting.

The only thing you can control is what Pana calls 'Picture
Adjustment' - Natural, Standard and Vivid are the choices.

--
http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the
Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken
with the FZ5.
 
I think you may have this wrong as I remember reading that the "Picture Adjustment" settings actually control the CONTRAST, SATURATION, and SHARPNESS, that, in fact, these "Picture Adjustments" (NATURAL, STANDARD, VIVID) are actually specific combinations of the other three settings.

I never found a way to change the other settings individually, but once you set either NATURAL, STD, or VIVID then that will set your Contrast, Saturation, and Sharpness.

As I said elsewhere, if you set the "Picture Controls" to NATURAL, I believe your contrast will be set to NORMAL, your saturation will be set to LOW, and your sharpness will be set to SOFT.

If you set "Picture Controls" to NORMAL, you get three other settings for contrast, saturation, and sharpness. Ditto if you set Pic Controls to VIVID.
In another of my post for help on where to find these in the FZ5,
it appears that with the FZ5, you can't control these 3 factors.
Hence, this explains the different readings in the EXIF data
between FZ5 shots. The camera selects the best on its own - pretty
interesting.

The only thing you can control is what Pana calls 'Picture
Adjustment' - Natural, Standard and Vivid are the choices.

--
http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the
Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken
with the FZ5.
 
I'm inclined to agree with the 'vivid' setting ... but lets test some more.....
I'd be very upset if those were adjusted automatically.

Maxx
In another of my post for help on where to find these in the FZ5,
it appears that with the FZ5, you can't control these 3 factors.
Hence, this explains the different readings in the EXIF data
between FZ5 shots. The camera selects the best on its own - pretty
interesting.

The only thing you can control is what Pana calls 'Picture
Adjustment' - Natural, Standard and Vivid are the choices.

--
http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the
Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken
with the FZ5.
--
http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken with the FZ5.
 
Help me test this out ..... to confirm.

If you check my first photo posts of the San Francisco collection, I took some flowers in vivid and they came out very saturated so I also concluded that 'Vivid' sets the saturation to high. But I wasn't sure about the contrast and sharpness as I didn't take another photo in 'Natural' and so could not compare.

Now I'm starting to think its more than just saturation. As you say its a package deal ... all 3 factors are adjusted up or down together. H1 allows more individual control of the 3 factors.

Hey so wheres about can I view the full EXIF data?

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http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken with the FZ5.
 
Boomz,

I use the irfanview viewer. It's fast, free, has some editing features and will display full EXIF data: http://www.irfanview.com/ I installed all the plugins, as some brands use non-standard fields.

The FZ5 results from irfanview look like this:

Make - Panasonic
Model - DMC-FZ5
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 72
YResolution - 72
ResolutionUnit - Inch
Software - Ver.1.0
DateTime - 2005:07:03 09:03:01
YCbCrPositioning - Co-Sited
ExifOffset - 418
ExposureTime - 1/400 seconds
FNumber - 5.00
ExposureProgram - Normal program
ISOSpeedRatings - 80
ExifVersion - 0220
DateTimeOriginal - 2005:07:03 09:03:01
DateTimeDigitized - 2005:07:03 09:03:01
ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
CompressedBitsPerPixel - 4 (bits/pixel)
ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
MaxApertureValue - F 2.83
MeteringMode - Multi-segment
LightSource - Auto
Flash - Not fired, compulsory flash mode
FocalLength - 72.00 mm
FlashPixVersion - 0100
ColorSpace - sRGB
ExifImageWidth - 2560
ExifImageHeight - 1920
InteroperabilityOffset - 6652
SensingMethod - One-chip color area sensor
FileSource - DSC - Digital still camera
SceneType - A directly photographed image
CustomRendered - Normal process
ExposureMode - Auto
WhiteBalance - Auto
DigitalZoomRatio - 0.00 x
FocalLengthIn35mmFilm - 432 mm
SceneCaptureType - Standard
GainControl - None
Contrast - Normal
Saturation - High
Sharpness - Hard

Maker Note (Vendor): -

Maxx
Help me test this out ..... to confirm.

If you check my first photo posts of the San Francisco collection,
I took some flowers in vivid and they came out very saturated so I
also concluded that 'Vivid' sets the saturation to high. But I
wasn't sure about the contrast and sharpness as I didn't take
another photo in 'Natural' and so could not compare.

Now I'm starting to think its more than just saturation. As you say
its a package deal ... all 3 factors are adjusted up or down
together. H1 allows more individual control of the 3 factors.

Hey so wheres about can I view the full EXIF data?

--
http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the
Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken
with the FZ5.
 
I'm using ACDSee
Help me test this out ..... to confirm.

If you check my first photo posts of the San Francisco collection,
I took some flowers in vivid and they came out very saturated so I
also concluded that 'Vivid' sets the saturation to high. But I
wasn't sure about the contrast and sharpness as I didn't take
another photo in 'Natural' and so could not compare.

Now I'm starting to think its more than just saturation. As you say
its a package deal ... all 3 factors are adjusted up or down
together. H1 allows more individual control of the 3 factors.

Hey so wheres about can I view the full EXIF data?

--
http://boomzfoto.fotopic.net - my collection of FZ5 pics

http://boomzfoto2.fotopic.net - comparative full size photos of the
Pany's FZ5 to Sony's H1

http://onokinegrindz.com - Food review site; some photos were taken
with the FZ5.
 
I went through the Pan manual and nothing about being able to
control the Contrast, Saturation and Sharpness.

What I did find is this explanation on 'Quality' -
TIFF(uncompressed), Fine (low compression) and Standard (high
compression). I chose 'low compression'.

Could this be the reason for the 'high & hard' in the FZ5 photos?
You can only control the saturaton and sharpness level on the FZ5.
Natural picture:
Saturation Low
Sharpness Low

Standard picture:
Saturation Medium
Sharpness Medium

Vivid picture:
Saturation High
Sharpness High

Contrast is allways at medium.
 

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