missed the S20pro at futureshops for $499CDN, anywhere else

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I missed the boat on getting a S20pro for $499, can't find the add either to try a price match at Henry's. back up to 599$ cdn on the website. would like to sell the 602 pro and pick up the S20. Tried bestbuy, henry's with no luck, any other idea's or leads in canada??

maxymail in toronto
 
Fuji messed up on the priceing on this one. Just like they did on the F410 which was a 3mg with 3op zoom, they tried to sell that one for $499 in 2003/2004 and nobody bought it, now its $179. They are doing the same with the S20 pro, so hang in there and wait it out, it will probaly sell for around $399 or lower, and its a great camera, just not at the prices that Fuji has it now, not when in the same price range you can get the body of the D50 from Nikon.
 
I have a 602 and I'm not planning to upgrade until I see what Fuji comes out with next (soon, hopefully!), but I'm curious... could someone tell me why the S20 Pro lists at a much higher price than the S7000? The specs seem very similar. In what way would images from the S20 be superior to those of the S7000?
 
The specs seem very similar. In what way would images
from the S20 be superior to those of the S7000?
Oooh please don't open that can of worms again. Take a closer look at the specs there are some major differences between the two. As to which you believe to be best camera is down to to personal choice. I have an S20 and think it's great, I'm sure that if I had an s7000 then I would think that was great as well. The S20 does not produce better images than the S7000 or vice versa, they produce different images using different technology and are therefore not comparable.

If you are comparing cameras so that you can decide which one to buy then it's down to you to choose what faciliies you need, and someone elses opinion will probably not help because they have different priorities. But if you just want to compare cameras to find out which one takes better pictures then don't waste your time. The camera is just a tool ... the user makes the picture.

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Ramon
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its not really a superiority question. both cameras have the same body and lens(i think). the difference is that with the s20, you have a sync in addition to the hotshoe, in-camera multiple exposure, and the ability to shoot from a computer. i'm sure there are other differences, but those are the first, and i think biggest, to come to mind.

adrian
 
Well, no, the biggest differences are that the S7000 is a 6 MP camera and the S20 is a 3 MP camera. The S20 confuses things because it has another set of sensors (meaning it has 6 millions sensors) that are used to capture better highlights, giving it greater dynamic range. But it remains a 3MP camera, it's just that it has 2 sensors for every pixel.

(Sort of. The SCCD blurs things a bit, but in essence, that's the explanation here).

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I just spent two hours reading about peoples opinions about the 7000, vs, 602, vs s20. Man alive, well said that the 7000 and s20 are two great camera's, different sensors, thus different looking pictures.

I could sell the 602 pro on eaby for about $250 us with the flash (vivitar 283), and was wondering would it be worthwhile to pick up a S20. for another 200$us (selling in Ontario for $499CDN web)
602vss20
differences would be-RAW capable (I don't process)
XD slot in addidtion to the CF, instead of the SM slot
better EVF?
better generation sesor, can handle 1600 iso at 1 megpixel
slightly better lens (don't know how or why

I shoot mostly kids, don't need the SLR size
never print beyond 8x10, crop a bit

any help? from those who had the 602 and switched to the s20

maxymail
f700,6800, 610, 602pro
 
its a great camera
excuse me, but compared to what? certainly NOT compared to the s602 when compaing straight jpgs. I tried two of these s20s and was bitterly disappointed with the REDUCED dynamic range and harsh colors compared to the s602. I must admit that in raw, it was very nice, but be prepared to spend a LOT OF TIME on to make each image look good.

OTOH, I'd LOVE to get another s602 to replace the one I have. I think I'm going to look at Camera Canada, they may still have some...

If I was on high speed internet I would put up comparisons between teh s602 and the s20 and let you guys be the judge. Unfortnately high speed is 'never' going to be available where I live and I simply can't afford the hours of upload it would take. Maybe reduced versions? If you are interested let me know.
 
the S20 [...] capture better highlights, giving it greater dynamic range.
... and that does NOTHING for shadows out of the camera. Pity, it's where most of the image information is hidden.
 
I could sell the 602 pro on eaby for about $250 us with the flash
(vivitar 283), and was wondering would it be worthwhile to pick up
a S20.
If you really want to sell in the coming weeks, let me know!
602vss20
differences would be-RAW capable (I don't process)
... if you don't want to post process, that camera is NOT for you!
XD slot in addidtion to the CF, instead of the SM slot
better EVF?
Better EVF and LCD (more luminous)
Much faster AF
Better lens (less distortion and higher edge definition)
better generation sesor, can handle 1600 iso at 1 megpixel
800 ISO at full res, now that's a big plus indeed.
slightly better lens (don't know how or why
Probably better finished (I mean the lens elements, I don't think the mechanicals are that different). The difference is very noticeable. You can't use the same profiles in PTLens as for the s602. The barrel distortion is much lower and the edge definition is definitely much better, but unfortunately it is really noticeable ONLY if you shoot in RAW.
I shoot mostly kids, don't need the SLR size
It's much faster, you'd have faster autofocus response
never print beyond 8x10, crop a bit
The 3MP output should be fine
any help? from those who had the 602 and switched to the s20
Well as you can see, I had it for two weeks and returned it... I much prefer the s602 as it gives better results right out of teh camera.
maxymail
f700,6800, 610, 602pro
 
You might want to try another S20. I bought one around January of this year and compared it with my S7000. I mostly shoot products like watches, in a light box. Anyway, I thought the S20 did a poor job. It was much noisier and very hard to manual focus. When they went down to $499, I decided to try another, just recently, and this one not only was much better, I prefered it over my S7000 and it's actually cleaner and focuses just as good as my S7000.

I tried the S602 SE around January as well and never liked it, especially the manual focus and never found the colors any better than the S20. Maybe there was a problem with that one but I've read a lot of people say they like the S7000 over the S602 but preferred the S602 colors. Well, that to me is the S20.

Jeff
 
Ok, as i said before, the 602 was great, the S7000 is great and the S20pro is also great, fuji just used a SR sensor in the S3 remember?, if it was that bad would they insist on it, just try them out and see for yourself, i'm pleased with my S20, and again i invite you to take a look at some links where i post some photos and tell me what is that bad about the S20 picture quality.

The S20 pro is indeed the most hated Fuji camera, but i never understood why such a negative vibe about it. The only thing that was wrong was it's pricing when it came out, around $900, that whas a bad move from fuji, the S20 is a good camera but not $900 good.

I got mine for 350eur. so for that price what could i get with the same features?

Ohhhh.... well ....just look at them photos and forget it was a S20 that took them, maybe the photos will look better to ya then....:) !
 
I've personally only read a few bad posts regarding the camera, on this forum. One of them was mine. :) Of course that was from the "bad" S20 that I had.

Jeff
 
If you really want to sell in the coming weeks, let me know!

sorry could not get your email address from the fuji post

I am seriously picking up and trying the s20. over the next week or so. are you interested in buying my 602 pro.

if so send me an email to

[email protected]
 
Fuji brain cramp....Seriously, it is more expensive to have that SR chip rather than the more produced HR chip, but they didn't need to set it so high and keep it there. The S7000 rolled out at $699, but it went thru the usually price drops thru it life, until the were ready to launch the S20 Pro. Then Fuji went to Best Buy and said unload them, on the third and final week of "clearanceing them out" after the $100 mail in rebate you could pick it up for $267, thats not a misprint, thats when I got mine. Timing is everything.
 
You might want to try another S20.
Jeff
I tried two. Results were identical. From a recent post, I maintain my opinion. Too contrasty, worse color although better resolution as compared to the s602.

I am now seriously considering finding a little used, "cupboarded" s602 to buy to replace my damaged, worn s602 as a backup. I don't think I'll be moving up until better sensors, better autofocus, better lenses with wider angle, higher resolution computer monitors and camera EVFs come out. DSLRs are out because they can't do movies, which is a MUST for me. I need a camera that is quick, versatile, self-contained, doesn't need tons of accessories and delivers images that are consistent, need as little postprocessing as possible and certainly no manual postprocessing to deliver good, usable pictures.

So far, the s602 is IMO still the king of the hill.
 
Ok, as i said before, the 602 was great, the S7000 is great and the
S20pro is also great, fuji just used a SR sensor in the S3
remember?
It is totally different from the one on the s20 por. Not only in terms of size, but also in terms of geometry. Look a t the schematics. I wish they'd produce their next generation camera based on that sensor geometry (S and R pixels on thier ow individual locatiojs instead of paired up). That woudl indeed allow for true high resolution.
if it was that bad would they insist on it, just try
them out and see for yourself, i'm pleased with my S20, and again i
invite you to take a look at some links where i post some photos
and tell me what is that bad about the S20 picture quality.
I did try TWO cameras and made EXTENSIVE tests side by side fora week. The only area the s20 beats the s602 is in RAW with MANUAL postprocessing (but whco wants to do that on 200 pictures daily!) and in terms of edge resolution and geometric distortion. As for the s602, I owned TWO of them and saw no difference. So in my EXPEREIENCE, the problem is not due to camera defects, it's a matter of design or firmware choice.
The S20 pro is indeed the most hated Fuji camera, but i never
understood why such a negative vibe about it. The only thing that
was wrong was it's pricing when it came out, around $900, that whas
a bad move from fuji, the S20 is a good camera but not $900 good.
I got mine for 350eur. so for that price what could i get with the
same features?
Ohhhh.... well ....just look at them photos and forget it was a S20
that took them, maybe the photos will look better to ya then....:)
!
Yes, that's just the point. I don't have to stop at my s602 pictures, most of them turn out great without much manual intervention. Unfortunately, I couldn't achieve that with the two s20s I tried.
 
Like i said before, the S20 must be the most hated Fuji camera.

That's what's great about the world, everyone has an opinion, i respect yours, but still the S20 works fine for me...and that's what it's all about.

Anyway i know you did some testing and did not post cause you dont have a good internet connection, to bad, i was really curious about taking a look at those results.
 

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