D70 vs S3 Higi ISO noise from raws

Gabriel

Are you suggesting that the noise from the D70 at ISO 1600 shot RAW is more acceptable, nicer, more pleasing to look at--take your pick-- than the noise from the S1, the S2 or the S3 shot RAW at iso 1600?

If that is your opinion, you are certainly entitled to it. However, I do not believe that you can sell one image from the D70 shot at 1600 unless you can convince your customer that the image is somehow digital art, rather than photography.

If you don't sell your images, fine, as I said, you are entitled to your opinion.

Walter S Matthews said:

Gabriel
Are you suggesting that the noise from the D70 at ISO 1600 shot RAW
is more acceptable, nicer, more pleasing to look at--take your
pick-- than the noise from the S1, the S2 or the S3 shot RAW at iso
1600?

If that is your opinion, you are certainly entitled to it. However,
I do not believe that you can sell one image from the D70 shot at
1600 unless you can convince your customer that the image is
somehow digital art, rather than photography.

If you don't sell your images, fine, as I said, you are entitled to
your opinion.

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Walter. You are totally right. Indeed the only reason why I kept the S2 is to do occasional low noise photos since IT HAS lower noise than any NIKON that I know of. In my opinion the Nikon noise is better though but I don't use ISO in order to save a photo that would be too dark to sell. I use ISO for situations where I need sensitivity and in general I like the film look. I have photos of my kids done with the Nikon at 3200 ISO and they are spectacular. The Fuji doesn’t have 3200 ISO but in scarce light at 1600 ISO photos have evident noise reduction (and indeed the noise is well deleted but there are some digital artifacts as well and I hate them).

The other aspect is available light. I have photos done with the Nikon at ISO 1600 that are almost with zero noise. ISO was high for speed reason not scarcity of light. This just to say that it is impossible to compare the ISO noise on two photos coming from two different cameras if they are done in different light condition. In such situation you can prove anything you want. BTW this photo was done at dawn in winter in Copenhagen at ISO 1600 with a Nikon. I had in on-line and was resized a bit (I’m not at home I can’t upload the original). I printed it and it was TOTALLY acceptable (let's judge photo when printed). The next photo is a photo done at night during a soccer game in the Mecca of soccer, San Siro, Milan. Again noise is not that bad and it is just a D100. It is all relative my man. (I can send you the original photos)





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Gabriele
California, CA
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As we agree, to each his own in style and acceptability. I have seen the night -photo before and I remarked to myself that I would not keep that image because of the noise. If you like it, there can be no dispute on that issue.

I can tell you this, brides will not tolerate more than a few, a very few, images with that kind of noise. They may not know anything about photography, but they know what they like and the S2 and S2 images get chosen for the albums at high ISo and I don't even bother above ISO 400 with my 2-D70.

I love the D70's because I can put an SB800 on them, hand them to almost anyone who can frame a picture and I will get good, sellable, images out of the camera. That ain't so with either the S2 or the S3 although the S3 is a lot better in being idiot proof than the S2.

To get good flash images in changeing light, that is inherantly low in intensity, and that requires some Flash on most if not all the images, with the S2 is not trivial. The exposure will drift all over the place and just when you have the exposure nailed, the damn thing won't focus. I recently added the SB29 chord-thank you to whover it was that suggested it, it really does help, and now low light focus with the S2 is back to acceptable but you just cannot hand an S2 with a flash unit attached to your mom or a neighbor and expect to get good images. On the other hand, I have complete confidence in getting great images when I hand the D70 and the SB800 to my neighbor's 10 year old daughter, my mother, my wife or either of my daughters. In fact, it is pretty hard to fool that combination.

Walter S Matthews said:

As we agree, to each his own in style and acceptability. I have
seen the night -photo before and I remarked to myself that I would
not keep that image because of the noise. If you like it, there can
be no dispute on that issue.

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I frankly know about photo quality more than the average bride (I designed machines for printing photos for 7 years) but hey, as you said, to each his/her own. Brides for sure understand nothing about digital artifacts while they may dislike the grain. A bride will be happy with a filter that cur resolution 70% but hide all the wrinkles right?.

Again, I suspect you are seeing the photo on a TFT monitor. If you get the original and print it the noise will be almost nothing. I guess that purpose of photos is to print them and make: "photos". A photo seen on a flat screen has too many other problems even if the TFT is a good one.
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Gabriele
California, CA
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For what its worth, my preference for using high ISO is in the following two situations,keeping in mind that the ISO seting on a camera controls the gain of an amplifier that is in the path of the sensor elements between the sensor and its buffer. This means that the the lower the ambient light reaching the sensor the more noise is present in the image. Therefore I use high ISO when the ambient light is high to allow me to stop down to get higher DOF. I also use it for low light situations when a long exposure would create as much noise or more.
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Sam Schulenburg
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Samuel Schulenburg said:

For what its worth, my preference for using high ISO is in the
following two situations,keeping in mind that the ISO seting on a
camera controls the gain of an amplifier that is in the path of the
sensor elements between the sensor and its buffer. This means that
the the lower the ambient light reaching the sensor the more noise
is present in the image. Therefore I use high ISO when the ambient
light is high to allow me to stop down to get higher DOF. I also
use it for low light situations when a long exposure would create
as much noise or more.

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I can't agree more. I also use it for high speed (short exposure) scenes with handheld long lenses.

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Gabriele
California, CA
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Gabriele Sartori said:

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Forse' la foto ritrae Recoba che sta segnando di testa contro la Roma a San Siro?

Is that pic showing Recoba scoring a header vs. AS Roma at San Siro?

(PS: is that a crop, or full pic?)