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Hi,

What everyone here seems to be missing is this purported camera with those specs will blow the D1h and 720x out of the water. Almost twice the resolution at increased speed and lower multiplier. I'm sure you'll be seeing lots of white lenses at sports and news events again if this is true. As far as 6MP camera is concerned, I'm sure it will follow closely on it's heels. As Eamon said, it is exactly what would be expected of a large corporation.
Yeh, Canon's crazy. Crazy like a fox.

Mastrianni
 
All I am doing is passing on the information I was given by my "so-called rep", as David so nicely put it. If you need 6MP, then don't buy this camera. That's no reason to knock it. Personally, this camera will work fine for my needs and it will fit all my Canon lenses. I don't see the need to replace all six of them with Nikon glass just to accomodate a new camera.
David said:
Why even bother bring out a 4MP pro camera?? I do know that Canon
had a rep meeting last week. The Canon rep in my area was 100%
silent about the matter.
I for one will wait for an announcment from Canon before I make any
conclusions. I will say this however. if the Canon is indeed 4 MP I
will purchase either the Nikon D1x or the Kodak 760.

When did this so called REP say he or she saw the camera?

David
Michael Martin said:
Jef Brewer said:
The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
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Jef
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When was the last time anyone really needed 9fps?????????
All I know is I really need 6 mp or bigger.
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Jef Brewer said:
The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
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Jef
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Let's not forget that this is very different that what Kai Pin, a historically good source who said he actually saw one of four prototypes (and heard about the others), reported some time ago. Personally, I'm waiting for higher resolution and a 35mm-size sensor. But as we all know, we will wait and see.

JC
 
Kai Pin, If you are there, please come out and refute the rumor of 4mp version. Your earlier post did not mentioned anything about 4mp. Your reputation is at stake here :)
JC said:
Jef Brewer said:
The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef
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Let's not forget that this is very different that what Kai Pin, a
historically good source who said he actually saw one of four
prototypes (and heard about the others), reported some time ago.
Personally, I'm waiting for higher resolution and a 35mm-size
sensor. But as we all know, we will wait and see.

JC
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Who really says that Canon is going to release a single camera that is to suit everyones needs?
eamon hickey said:
Why? Because it looks like the thinking of a hard-headed camera
company with a clear-eyed view of the professional photo
marketplace, rather than looking like the dreams of ardent photo
hobbyists.

The big market for portable pro digital cameras right now is news
and sports. That's why Kodak first, then Nikon, went straight after
that market. Countless mid-sized newspapers have dropped $300,000+
on digital photo equipment in the past 18 months and there are
hundreds, maybe thousands, more poised to do it in the next 12-24
months. The accountants are making 'em do it; they earn all that
money back in less than three years on film and chemical cost
savings.

That also happens to be the market segment in which Canon spent the
entire decade of the nineties, and tens of millions of dollars,
trying to break Nikon's 25-year dominance. (And Canon was
remarkably successful doing that.) You can be certain that Canon
has looked at the D1's success in that market with alarm.

At this point, it doesn't seem possible to build a single digital
camera that fits well the needs of the news and sports guys and
also the high-resolution crowd (be they documentary, magazine
editorial, stock, wedding and portrait, advertising and commercial
etc. shooters.) Kodak and, now, Nikon, two decent high-tech
companies it seems to me, both found it necessary to make two
separate cameras for those varying needs. Seems very likely that
Canon will end up doing the same.

So what is a company in Canon's position gonna' do, given that set
of facts? Pour their resources into building a camera for the
sports and news crowd first and worry about the high resolution
folks later. It's the only decision that makes business sense.

An interesting sidelight to all this, in my view, is that Kodak and
Nikon (and, obviously, Canon will replace Kodak in this equation
pretty soon) are, with their 6mp+ cameras, edging into the
territory ruled by Hasselblad and Mamiya lo' these past thirty
years. I think the medium format brands have much to fear from 6-8
megapixel portable "35mm-like" digital cameras. If the resolution
on these cameras is good enough -- and it looks like it will be --
there's no reason to keep your Hasselblad system (for what?
interchangeable film backs? Polaroid proofing?)

Just my shout from the wilderness.

EH
Jef Brewer said:
The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef
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Mastrianni said:
Hi,

What everyone here seems to be missing is this purported camera
with those specs will blow the D1h and 720x out of the water.
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Mastrianni said:
Yeh, Canon's crazy. Crazy like a fox.
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Well, let's all stay calm. I was in the camera business for almost 15 years -- including 8 years with Nikon -- and I've never seen anybody blow anybody else out of the water. Sometimes you get lucky and make a little hole below the other guy's water line, and if he's complacent or inattentive or drinking too much grog he might not plug the hole until his ship is listing pretty badly. Nikon developed a pretty bad list when Canon punched a couple holes in their hull with professional quality autofocus, and now Canon's got a bit of a below-decks leak with a slow response to the D1. But they can and will recover, just as Nikon will recover if Canon's next camera leaps ahead. (Surely nobody thinks Nikon's R&D department shuttered the windows, locked the doors, and started selling encyclopedias door-to-door after the D1X/H was announced?) There's an ebb and flow to these things, just as there is with so much else in life.

As for being crazy like a fox, I guess my view of big electronics corporations is jaundiced by too much close exposure to their inner workings. Some of my favorite moments as a Nikon sales rep were my frequent cups of coffee with my Canon counterpart, one of Canon USA's best salesman and a helluva guy. We'd detail our respective companies idiotic practices for each other, with me arguing that I worked for the biggest idiots, and him arguing that, no, he worked for far bigger idiots. I usually won those arguments, but not always and never by a very wide margin.

Sorry for the ramble.

EH
 
Hi Eamon,

Oh, I'm calm. So calm that I have no interest in this particular vapourware, true or not. It is not suitable for what I do. Only the 6MP vapourware would be of interest to me. I only mentioned it in reference to the D1h and 720x because, IF TRUE, that would be the actual cameras it would be competing with. Not the 760/D1x. In the meantime, I have yet to receive a complaint from the D1 and D30 outputs I produce. And I have no doubt that Nikon is busy working on it's next generation pro cameras. Canon has always been slow in introducing "flagship" models. When they get here, they get here. Hey, it's all good. I'm just happy being out of the darkroom.

Sincerely

Mastrianni
eamon hickey said:
Mastrianni said:
Hi,

What everyone here seems to be missing is this purported camera
with those specs will blow the D1h and 720x out of the water.
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(snip)
peripheralfocus said:
Yeh, Canon's crazy. Crazy like a fox.
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Well, let's all stay calm. I was in the camera business for almost
15 years -- including 8 years with Nikon -- and I've never seen
anybody blow anybody else out of the water. Sometimes you get lucky
and make a little hole below the other guy's water line, and if
he's complacent or inattentive or drinking too much grog he might
not plug the hole until his ship is listing pretty badly. Nikon
developed a pretty bad list when Canon punched a couple holes in
their hull with professional quality autofocus, and now Canon's got
a bit of a below-decks leak with a slow response to the D1. But
they can and will recover, just as Nikon will recover if Canon's
next camera leaps ahead. (Surely nobody thinks Nikon's R&D
department shuttered the windows, locked the doors, and started
selling encyclopedias door-to-door after the D1X/H was announced?)
There's an ebb and flow to these things, just as there is with so
much else in life.

As for being crazy like a fox, I guess my view of big electronics
corporations is jaundiced by too much close exposure to their inner
workings. Some of my favorite moments as a Nikon sales rep were my
frequent cups of coffee with my Canon counterpart, one of Canon
USA's best salesman and a helluva guy. We'd detail our respective
companies idiotic practices for each other, with me arguing that I
worked for the biggest idiots, and him arguing that, no, he worked
for far bigger idiots. I usually won those arguments, but not
always and never by a very wide margin.

Sorry for the ramble.

EH
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The link to the original posting:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=1196382
Domingo said:
JC said:
Jef Brewer said:
The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef
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Let's not forget that this is very different that what Kai Pin, a
historically good source who said he actually saw one of four
prototypes (and heard about the others), reported some time ago.
Personally, I'm waiting for higher resolution and a 35mm-size
sensor. But as we all know, we will wait and see.

JC
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Patrick Tower said:
This sounds like exactly what I would like to see (within the
realm of reality). By the last part I mean that the price could
always be smaller and I wouldn't complain, but this is as high a
pixel count as I can see needing in 99.99% of my situations. (I'm
a sports photographer and don't see many double-trucks in my near
future). A larger pixel count would:

1) Increase price
2) Reduce burst rate/duration
3) Reduce pixel size, increase dust and interference significance
4) Reduce the effective capacity of my storage media, from CF to HD
to CD.
Honestly, 9 FPS would almost always be overkill for me as well, but
it would come in handy more often than a bigger file size.

Assuming that the following have been addressed:
1) AF accuracy
2) Shutter Lag
3) Construction quality

I'd be first in line for one of these babies.
Keeping my fingers crossed that this is for real, has a 1.3x or
smaller magnification factor, and (perhaps hoping against hope), is
available before or at my next big event in Mid-October.

-Patrick
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I agree. I work for a small daily newspaper shooting news and sports, and high resolution is not the holy grail for us. Speed and functionality are essential. By the time the photo is tweaked in Photoshop and printed on newsprint at 200dpi, even the D30 has adequate resolution. My personal camera is Canon, though my newspaper uses the D1 (and there is a D1h, not x, on order.)

As for the multiplier, while 1.6 is inconvenient at the wide end, where everyday shooting does take place, it is a real bonus on the telephoto side, where just as much news, and nearly all my sports is shot, giving me more reach for thousands less. I wouldn't want a multiplier smaller than 1.3.

Honestly, the prospect of a 4mp sensor in a 1v body is music to my ears. I hope it happens. Canon is the CMOS leader; they've already turned a dog into a thoroughbred racehorse. I wouldn't be surprised if they were to develop a 4mp CMOS sensor that yeilds a new class of resolution.
Put it in a batmobile like the 1v, and lets go.
 
Jef Brewer said:
The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef
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The specification of the new pro digital camera from Canon would seem in line with discussion I had with Canon Pro manager at a trade show a couple of months ago. 4 megapixle is to enable high frame rate that the press guys want and Canon likes to own that market place.. I want them to stich two D30 chips together and put them in the Eos 3 body along with 256meg of buffer and sell all this for US$2000 - I don't think I'll hold my breath on that one.
 
Jef Brewer said:
The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef
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IF these rumors are true I'll just have to wait for the Nikon D1X successor I guess. And hopefully it will have a 1.3 or lower magnification factor. Just as well, it'll save me from having to switch brands. I like my current Nikon glass.
 
As a non-pro (ie, no tax deductions for all this expensive equipment) who simply wants the best camera at an affordable price, I'd love to see Canon come out with an enhanced D30 for under $3000 and let the D30 drop in price to take over the lucrative prosumer market. The main enhancements I'd like would be a few more pixels (4 would do nicely), improved autofocus, and most important, a split image/microprism spot on the screed to aid in precise manual focus. I'd run up my credit card for that in a heartbeat! LOL
Jef Brewer said:
The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef
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This is an excellent point! Bigger cells benefit every shot, every time, in every situation. Resolution is useful in some cases, for some types of subjects. I too think Canon is doing the right thing in addressing the general case first and niche markets later.
DavidP said:
Hello to low-noise 800 ISO, very usable 1600 ISO, and 3200 ISO as a
bonus. Maybe 6400? wooohooooo!

Oh, well -- I'm sure it's just another rumor.
Herb said:
Why bother at 4MP???? The fps is good...and a larger buffer would
be good...but 4MP??? sigh...we can only hope NOT!!!!!
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Domingo said:
Kai Pin, If you are there, please come out and refute the rumor of
4mp version. Your earlier post did not mentioned anything about
4mp. Your reputation is at stake here :)
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Let's just say it is not the pro digital EOS SLR we are waiting for. The official announcement is slated for August 17 by the CEO (Japan time). It is a 4.1-mpixel model but is not the so-called G2 as the G1 is still a current model (not dicsontinued). :-)

The sales reps were told of the specs concerning the upcoming pro digital EOS and also shown an actual version of the non-EOS 4.1-mpixel model but in the excitement, someone probably got mixed-up both the specs into one super unit.

Kai Pin
 
Kai Pin said:
Let's just say it is not the pro digital EOS SLR we are waiting
for. The official announcement is slated for August 17 by the CEO
(Japan time). It is a 4.1-mpixel model but is not the so-called G2
as the G1 is still a current model (not dicsontinued). :-)

The sales reps were told of the specs concerning the upcoming pro
digital EOS and also shown an actual version of the non-EOS
4.1-mpixel model but in the excitement, someone probably got
mixed-up both the specs into one super unit.
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Thank you for clarifying.
Whenever you can, please let us know when you expect the
pro digital EOS and its specs.
 
say what
Kai Pin said:
Domingo said:
Kai Pin, If you are there, please come out and refute the rumor of
4mp version. Your earlier post did not mentioned anything about
4mp. Your reputation is at stake here :)
Click to expand...
Let's just say it is not the pro digital EOS SLR we are waiting
for. The official announcement is slated for August 17 by the CEO
(Japan time). It is a 4.1-mpixel model but is not the so-called G2
as the G1 is still a current model (not dicsontinued). :-)

The sales reps were told of the specs concerning the upcoming pro
digital EOS and also shown an actual version of the non-EOS
4.1-mpixel model but in the excitement, someone probably got
mixed-up both the specs into one super unit.

Kai Pin
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I've read a few of your posts, Kai, and the contents themselves are well written enough to give them, and therefore you, much credibility in the eyes of other forum members.

But I have to stop and ask myself, how come you're the only one here who appears to be not only knowledgable, but share with us what can only be given to you by Canon in confidence.

1. How come nobody else is telling us the same stuff?

2. How come you're telling us when if it's true, you shouldn't be?
-but by all means don't stop. it keeps us all dreaming ;-)

And lastly, please don't take this as an insult, but put yourself in my shoes... I find myself having to reassess why I should take any poster's information seriously, when in essence we are all somewhat anonymous.

3. What credibility do you have to back these comments up? I am unable to find previous posts of yours which showed information which has subsequently been shown to be true.

(We'll see tomorrow anyway, won't we?)
Kai Pin said:
Domingo said:
Kai Pin, If you are there, please come out and refute the rumor of
4mp version. Your earlier post did not mentioned anything about
4mp. Your reputation is at stake here :)
Click to expand...
Let's just say it is not the pro digital EOS SLR we are waiting
for. The official announcement is slated for August 17 by the CEO
(Japan time). It is a 4.1-mpixel model but is not the so-called G2
as the G1 is still a current model (not dicsontinued). :-)

The sales reps were told of the specs concerning the upcoming pro
digital EOS and also shown an actual version of the non-EOS
4.1-mpixel model but in the excitement, someone probably got
mixed-up both the specs into one super unit.

Kai Pin
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Give up my Hassy? I'd rather die!
eamon hickey said:
Why? Because it looks like the thinking of a hard-headed camera
company with a clear-eyed view of the professional photo
marketplace, rather than looking like the dreams of ardent photo
hobbyists.

The big market for portable pro digital cameras right now is news
and sports. That's why Kodak first, then Nikon, went straight after
that market. Countless mid-sized newspapers have dropped $300,000+
on digital photo equipment in the past 18 months and there are
hundreds, maybe thousands, more poised to do it in the next 12-24
months. The accountants are making 'em do it; they earn all that
money back in less than three years on film and chemical cost
savings.

That also happens to be the market segment in which Canon spent the
entire decade of the nineties, and tens of millions of dollars,
trying to break Nikon's 25-year dominance. (And Canon was
remarkably successful doing that.) You can be certain that Canon
has looked at the D1's success in that market with alarm.

At this point, it doesn't seem possible to build a single digital
camera that fits well the needs of the news and sports guys and
also the high-resolution crowd (be they documentary, magazine
editorial, stock, wedding and portrait, advertising and commercial
etc. shooters.) Kodak and, now, Nikon, two decent high-tech
companies it seems to me, both found it necessary to make two
separate cameras for those varying needs. Seems very likely that
Canon will end up doing the same.

So what is a company in Canon's position gonna' do, given that set
of facts? Pour their resources into building a camera for the
sports and news crowd first and worry about the high resolution
folks later. It's the only decision that makes business sense.

An interesting sidelight to all this, in my view, is that Kodak and
Nikon (and, obviously, Canon will replace Kodak in this equation
pretty soon) are, with their 6mp+ cameras, edging into the
territory ruled by Hasselblad and Mamiya lo' these past thirty
years. I think the medium format brands have much to fear from 6-8
megapixel portable "35mm-like" digital cameras. If the resolution
on these cameras is good enough -- and it looks like it will be --
there's no reason to keep your Hasselblad system (for what?
interchangeable film backs? Polaroid proofing?)

Just my shout from the wilderness.

EH
Jef Brewer said:
The new Canon SLR is going to be a 4MP camera, 9fps, approximately
$5000, and should start shipping in October/November.
--
Jef
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