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I just picked up the 580EX flash for my XT and feel a little overwhelmed. Do you have any suggestions on books or guides on the internet I could read to learn how to use this thing? or learn principles of using flash?

Of course I will play and learn and have fun with it, but I like to read to learn too. I learn faster that way... Thanks for any suggestions.
 
These are 2 excellent posts by Sandman. They helped me understand
E-TTL and just what the thing is doing.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6949576

and

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=8560040

They're long, but worth it. Take your time, read it and re-read it
until you understand what you've just read. Then practice.
Jim's two posts are a useful starting point, but you realy want to know how the Canon flash system works, then:
http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/

... is the place to find out. And it isn't pretty. ETTL is really set up to approximate settings for people shots, if you are shooting anything else then the Canon ETTL flash system doesn't have the flexibility of some other systems (dare I mention Nikon and Vivitar),

Brian A.
 
These are 2 excellent posts by Sandman. They helped me understand
E-TTL and just what the thing is doing.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6949576

and

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=8560040

They're long, but worth it. Take your time, read it and re-read it
until you understand what you've just read. Then practice.
Jim's two posts are a useful starting point, but you realy want to
know how the Canon flash system works, then:
http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/

... is the place to find out. And it isn't pretty. ETTL is really
set up to approximate settings for people shots, if you are
shooting anything else then the Canon ETTL flash system doesn't
have the flexibility of some other systems (dare I mention Nikon
and Vivitar),
Care to explain what you mean here?

I don't see anything in ETTL that's specific to people shots. It's suited for any kind of shot, no matter how complex.
And what kind of flexibility does Nikon and Vivitar have, that Canon doesn't??
 
Well, for example, it doesn't work well when the background has to be illuminated to a high degree. When the background is to be lighter than the foreground, even a FEC setting of +3 is often insufficient.

"People shots" may have been a misstatement. It works well when exposing the primary subject matter is important and the background is secondary.

Brian A.
 
Well, for example, it doesn't work well when the background has to
be illuminated to a high degree. When the background is to be
lighter than the foreground, even a FEC setting of +3 is often
insufficient.
Do I understand thay you're trying to illuminate the background with the flash?

In that case, you should simply FEL on the background....
"People shots" may have been a misstatement. It works well when
exposing the primary subject matter is important and the background
is secondary.
Well.... hmmm.... Doesn't that describe 95% of flash photography?
 
Thank you for the links, they are very informative. I read through them, but I still have some questions:

1) Since I have the XT and 580EX and only use the center focus point. In cases where I need to focus and recompose, should I do so and then FEL using the * button or just allow the E-TTL II system to take care of the flash exposure for me?

2) The E-TTL II description is very vague, is there a better description of it somewhere? I don't understand how it knows which area it will "light up" if it reads all the metering zones.

3) My understanding is that the flash metering is through the lens, so even if I bounce or use a diffuser, the flash should properly meter as long as I'm within the flash power range. Is this correct?
 
Well, for example, it doesn't work well when the background has to
be illuminated to a high degree. When the background is to be
lighter than the foreground, even a FEC setting of +3 is often
insufficient.
Do I understand thay you're trying to illuminate the background
with the flash?

In that case, you should simply FEL on the background....
The trouble with the FE Lock button is that it has to be held down. This is not possible when holding two 550exs. Even without the hand held units, holding down the FE Lock button when the camera is on a tripod just doesn't make sense.
"People shots" may have been a misstatement. It works well when
exposing the primary subject matter is important and the background
is secondary.
Well.... hmmm.... Doesn't that describe 95% of flash photography?
Perhaps more than 95%. But what happens to those shots when the background is as important as the forgraound (at least in terms of exposure)

Brian A.
 
Well, for example, it doesn't work well when the background has to
be illuminated to a high degree. When the background is to be
lighter than the foreground, even a FEC setting of +3 is often
insufficient.
Do I understand thay you're trying to illuminate the background
with the flash?

In that case, you should simply FEL on the background....
The trouble with the FE Lock button is that it has to be held down.
Not it doesn't. Press once, it will take the pre-flash reading, and that will stay in memory for up to 16 seconds. No need to keep it held down.
This is not possible when holding two 550exs. Even without the hand
held units, holding down the FE Lock button when the camera is on a
tripod just doesn't make sense.
I don't follow you here. Why would it make a difference if the camera is on a tripod?
 
Thank you for the links, they are very informative. I read through
them, but I still have some questions:

1) Since I have the XT and 580EX and only use the center focus
point. In cases where I need to focus and recompose, should I do
so and then FEL using the * button or just allow the E-TTL II
system to take care of the flash exposure for me?
E-TTL-II isn't sensitive to recomposing. So you can simply focus and recompose. No problem.

There IS a difference between FEL and the evaluative metering though. In normal metering, the whole scene is analyzed. With FEL, only the center 9% of the viewer is used for the flash reading.

It will depend on the scene, and user preference which system you use.
2) The E-TTL II description is very vague, is there a better
description of it somewhere? I don't understand how it knows which
area it will "light up" if it reads all the metering zones.
Unfortunately the different explenations don't always agree completely. Here's what Canon says:

quote:

Here is how it works with the EOS-1D Mark II’s 21-zone metering: the ambient light is measured when the shutter button is pressed. Next, a pre-flash is fired and the metering sensor takes readings at the central 17 metering zones. The ambient and pre-flash readings are compared. The metering areas having a small difference are selected as the flash exposure metering areas. Areas with large discrepancies between ambient and pre-flash readings are excluded or down-weighted because they are assumed to contain a highly reflective subject, or the subject is not in that part of the frame. This assumption is also validated by the distance information, and the algorithm avoids chronic underexposure problems in such situations.

These readings are weighted, averaged and compared with the ambient light reading and the main flash output is then set and stored in memory.

Thus, unlike older systems, E-TTL II weighs and averages the flash metering, capturing the subject as a “plane” and not as a “point”.

As a result, EOS SLRs can obtain consistent flash exposures even if the subject contains various colors and levels of reflection. The camera also allows the user to select an averaged metering pattern through custom function settings.
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(From http://consumer.usa.canon.com/app/pdf/d_eos/syschart012904.pdf
NB: It's a usefull size, but BIG! It's 25MB.)

In my opinion: When looking at how E-TTL-II works, you should forget all about E-TTL. I think E-TTL-II is VERY similar to normal TTL. It just selects a few area's within the area of view, that shouldn't be used for the metering. To do that, it assumes that the ambient and flash return should be similar.
There's two reasons why it would not be the same:

1. an object is highly reflective. That can be seen by comparing it to the surrounding, and to the ambient.

2. an object is much in front, or behind the focus/flash plane. Thus being over- resp. underexposed by the flash. That can be seen from comparing flash vs. ambient, in combination with subject distance. (Ambient exposure shows gray level, which in combination with distance predicts absolute flash return.)
3) My understanding is that the flash metering is through the lens,
so even if I bounce or use a diffuser, the flash should properly
meter as long as I'm within the flash power range. Is this correct?
Yes, that is correct.
 
Thanks for your response, it addresses the concern I have based on the E-TTL II description. I will play around with it to see what works for me. Right now, I'm leaning towards taking flash photos in manual mode to control the background exposure and FEL (when recomposing is necessary) to properly expose the foreground subject.
 
Thanks for your response, it addresses the concern I have based on
the E-TTL II description. I will play around with it to see what
works for me. Right now, I'm leaning towards taking flash photos
in manual mode to control the background exposure and FEL (when
recomposing is necessary) to properly expose the foreground subject.
That's indeed the best way, if you want to have complete control over both flash and ambient exposure.
 

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