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Hi ac39.

There is much I agree with in your post but I have to tell you it did cause me a little chuckle as you've made a completely erroneous assumption about me.

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aC39 said:

now onto the whole speeding rant, firstly let me say that "krusadr"
is no doubt one of the "older" citizens of this great country...
now not to alienate any "experienced" members of this community i
say ahead of time that i do not assume that all people above the
age of 50 are afraid of life at every turn and love to clog our
nations roadways.

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38 actually. And I get my adrenaline rushes through aerobatics, scuba diving (including cave and night diving), car and motorcycle track racing, skydiving and bungee jumping (haven't done either of the latter for many years though). I've been an aerobatic competitor for many years and have had a fair amount of competition success. I've also flown airshows.

When you are at 2000 feet pointing perfectly vertically down and doing 200 mph for like 5 seconds then make an 8 G pull to the vertical up and execute several outside flick rolls (etc) speeding on the road for kicks is way lame. People I've taken up have commonly expressed sentiments that 'that was better than sex' or similar and a few have thrown up leaving me a nice clean up job. Most drive home from the airport pretty slowly afterwards.

I appreciate that most people don't have the imagination to go and seek out these adventure sports and so they try to race on the roads without getting caught and in doing so they kill other people. It is pathetic really.

I've been a pilot since I first soloed a glider on my 16th birthday (minimum legal age in the UK) and have been an aerobatic pilot for many years. After performing aerobatics in a Pitts Special, Extra 300L or Sukhoi SU26 or 29 (I've flown them all and owned a Pitts) speeding in a car seems really lame and pathetic.

As you correctly point out, it is about perspective. Unfortunately in your case you completly got the rest wrong about me. There you were thinking I'm some doddery old git, hands trembling on the wheel, when actually I see the idiots speeding (I'm not talking about 5 or 10 over) and laughing at what a limited existence they have.

This is about respect for other people, respect for their right to use the public road without idiots zooming about at high speed. Having always been a pilot I've never felt the need to prove myself by driving fast on the road.

The reason that older people tend to speed less on the road is linked to maturinty. Respect for other people is totally lacking in the immature, that is why young kids speed.

If you are a good driver and enjoy speed why not start real racing on a track? It is a humbling experience. It is a great hobby. Motorbike racing is superb too. When all your friends know what a great racing driver you are you might not feel the need to speed. The money you save on radars and tickets and souped up street cars can go towards a nice single seater or race bike. (Just a thought)

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aC39 said:

did you ever notice how when youre on a highway krusadr, everyone
and thier mother no doubt is flying by you at "excessive" speeds
relative to yours, including no doubt mini-vans/tractor
trailers/and sports cars alike.. its called following the flow of
traffic, which on the majority of highways is roughly 85 in a 65,
and 80 in a 55. and rightly so, on direct roads in dry conditions
if everyone is maintaining a decent distance between cars you
better believe thats what we're going to do.

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I always drive at the speed limit or a couple over. On an empty stretch of road I don't speed as that is the sure fire way to get a ticket. You stick out like a sore thumb. This is the time that a radar detector is useful but I don't feel the need to speed under such circumstances. You may be interested to know that I have driven from my home in BC to Vegas with wife and three kids under 10 (car has DVD in rear) leaving Sat morning at 10am, stopping Sat night at 9pm, setting off Sun morning at 10am, arriving Vegas at 9pm.

That is going some and never at more than 10 over. You don't need a radar for say 5 over, the police won't stop you.

On a busy 6 lane highway I'm there in the outside lane going with the flow even if it is over the limit. It is safe to do so and in fact more dangerous than having all the semis passing you. Also you don't stick out like a sore thumb. Safety in numbers!

In a town or residential area I drive at exactly the speed limit. You might think it is in some way weak but I call it respect and self control.

Just to finish off, I've been a volunteer firefighter for the last three years, I just quit actually) and I've seen some nasty messes caused by young bucks of your age who smashed themselves to smithereens in their cars. Silly idiots. When I drive with my kids in the car we play an amusing game. When we get passed illegally by someone and there is a traffic light or stop sign within a couple of miles we coult the seconds of advantage he has gained. We all have a good laugh when he speeds off into the distance and two minutes later we are sat behind him at the stop sign. As he crosses the stop sign we count how many seconds till we cross it and applaud his two second advantage. For that he risked a ticket from an oncoming cop around several corners!

This way I am teaching my kids what is cool and what is uncool so they don't grow up to be stupid Mopar men.

OMG talk about long posts. Be safe.
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now first and foremost i acknoledge that you made no personal attack on my person in response to my somewhat heated reply, and i also accept that i generalized your personae and honestly somewhat expected it myself. but just to clarify my perspective on the matter (not trying to sway you in any way but just to have a better understanding of my point) i'd like to say a couple things.

as far as my personal drive style in regards to courteousy and maturity. i can count very clearly that many times i have become irrationally hot headed driving whehter or not i had somewhere to be, i realize my shortcommings very often... that DOESNT mean, however, that i do not try to be extremely courteous to other drivers 90% of the time.

i did mention that in rural areas i keep myself extremely aware and rarely exceed the speed limit by more then a couple mph (i.e. 28 in a 25, not the end of the world). as i mentioned i've had loss in my own family from someone speeding down a rural road.

to say i wasnt envious of your life experience would be a lie, a dream of mine has always been to acquire either a small plane or helo license, regretably life has different plans and considering i'm working 2 jobs, one m-f 9-5 the other 2-3 days a week (read about 56 hrs a week) to establish my livlihood and save to pay off ever increasing school loans, its kind've hard to partake in outside activities. but i digress

i'm always the first to move over if someones merging on the highway, always willing to let a truck thats been patiently waiting to change lanes get in front of me (although i'm hoping he gets right back over). and i am FAR from the "speed intoxicated" youth trying to get my kicks off going 100+, sure i've done that at times, on completely empty roads at only a risk to myself, but literally a couple (2) times in my life... the only enjoyment i get out of driving a little faster, is getting where i'm going that much quicker... and you make a good point with the stopsign/light remark.

many times i've gone kind've quick, and passed someone at the last second to earn some time only to get stuck at a light and have them right behind me, and yes you feel rather stupid. i've always stated that its better to hit the yellow or its not worth it at all (yes i know saying that only falls more into your side of the arguement, but hey we're being honest here, making a single light over the car you passed earns around 5 minutes of a gap between you and them, so thats usually my goal) but i dont drive crazy anywhere, i know my roadways withing 50 miles of my living area very well, frequent police traps and such, and in my 7 years of driving now i have recieved one speeding summons, 8 months after i got my license, i now actually have very reduced insurance rates because i have absolutely no moving violations on record, so i make it a point to be both quick and courteous and aware.

but hey i think we've hijacked this thread quite enough already, so i'll leave it at that (having a nice roast beef club for lunch definately cooled me down )

It is the policy of many manufactures to not offer a warrenty on any product not bought through an authorized dealer. This is one way that they discourage grey market goods.

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Good post. Very sorry to hear about your family loss.

Actually I see lots of late-teens/early twenties type drivers around here driving couteously. I feel great affection for anyone I observe showing courtesy and distain for the reverse. Kudos to you. I have a problem with those scowling (usually Dodge) pickup-truck drivers who tailgate agressively. What is it about Dodge truck drivers?

A quick note about flying, my gliding as a kid was funded by newspaper rounds and a Saturday job. It wasn't expensive. I started at 13 and I think a winch launch was 80p and glider time was something like 14p/min two seater and 8p/min single seater! There I was flying around and learning glider aerobatics while my school friends were too young to drive! Also we had a double decker 'tea' bus which was positioned at the launch point, two winch lorries and a couple of tractors for dragging out the winch lines. I was driving all of those (on the airfield) by the age of 14 and getting rides in the tugs! Fun fun fun.

It's a lot more expensive these days but not too much. Also a single seater Pitts can be had for under $30,000. Most people who can afford a decent car could afford one. Imagination is what is lacking rather than money. Keep up the school and good luck. I hope you get whatever you want (if you want to talk more about flying I'll be happy to help).

I paid for my power pilot licence conversion from glider with cash from a motorcycle accident payout (taken out by a blind van driver).

aC39 said:

now first and foremost i acknoledge that you made no personal
attack on my person in response to my somewhat heated reply, and i
also accept that i generalized your personae and honestly somewhat
expected it myself. but just to clarify my perspective on the
matter (not trying to sway you in any way but just to have a better
understanding of my point) i'd like to say a couple things.

as far as my personal drive style in regards to courteousy and
maturity. i can count very clearly that many times i have become
irrationally hot headed driving whehter or not i had somewhere to
be, i realize my shortcommings very often... that DOESNT mean,
however, that i do not try to be extremely courteous to other
drivers 90% of the time.

i did mention that in rural areas i keep myself extremely aware and
rarely exceed the speed limit by more then a couple mph (i.e. 28 in
a 25, not the end of the world). as i mentioned i've had loss in
my own family from someone speeding down a rural road.

to say i wasnt envious of your life experience would be a lie, a
dream of mine has always been to acquire either a small plane or
helo license, regretably life has different plans and considering
i'm working 2 jobs, one m-f 9-5 the other 2-3 days a week (read
about 56 hrs a week) to establish my livlihood and save to pay off
ever increasing school loans, its kind've hard to partake in
outside activities. but i digress

i'm always the first to move over if someones merging on the
highway, always willing to let a truck thats been patiently waiting
to change lanes get in front of me (although i'm hoping he gets
right back over). and i am FAR from the "speed intoxicated" youth
trying to get my kicks off going 100+, sure i've done that at
times, on completely empty roads at only a risk to myself, but
literally a couple (2) times in my life... the only enjoyment i get
out of driving a little faster, is getting where i'm going that
much quicker... and you make a good point with the stopsign/light
remark.

many times i've gone kind've quick, and passed someone at the last
second to earn some time only to get stuck at a light and have them
right behind me, and yes you feel rather stupid. i've always stated
that its better to hit the yellow or its not worth it at all (yes i
know saying that only falls more into your side of the arguement,
but hey we're being honest here, making a single light over the car
you passed earns around 5 minutes of a gap between you and them, so
thats usually my goal) but i dont drive crazy anywhere, i know my
roadways withing 50 miles of my living area very well, frequent
police traps and such, and in my 7 years of driving now i have
recieved one speeding summons, 8 months after i got my license, i
now actually have very reduced insurance rates because i have
absolutely no moving violations on record, so i make it a point to
be both quick and courteous and aware.

but hey i think we've hijacked this thread quite enough already, so
i'll leave it at that (having a nice roast beef club for lunch
definately cooled me down )

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digitall said:

Here in Australia these radar traps are nearly always for revenue
raising purposes (you've only got to see where they are placed); a
sort of tax.

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It is different everywhere, even within the same state. Once upon a time, I lived in a county in Virginia (US) where the police cars were equipped with credit card machines. They rarely pulled people over, but when they did, it was to pay up. The next county over, they would pull people over for anything and everything, but rarely give a ticket. I found out later from a local officer that their main concern was getting drunk drivers off the roads.

digitall said:

I don't have a radar warning device but if I bought
one from ebay I'd expect the warranty to be honoured by the
manufacturer unless they could show why they should not.

By using a radar warning device Buzz is able to slow down and keep
within the law so he should be applauded.

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That's like saying "by threatening the witness, he is able to avoid getting arrested, hence saying the taxpayers lots of money for his trial."

digitall said:

Also he is honest by
admitting to breaking the law at other times. I give him my vote.

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digitall said:

krusadr said:

Sorry, are you saying that the radar detector going off helps him
slow down? What if there is no radar trap, does he just keep on
speeding?

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The trouble is krusadr you take life too seriously. An intelligent
driver (I hope you are one) constantly monitors the road conditions
and drives accordingly. A few years ago I was driving along a very
quiet country road on a Sunday morning doing 70 kph in a 60 kph
limit. I was 'caught' by a radar trap hidden behind the bushes and
received a heavy fine. No other cars were to be seen.

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Last Saturday I was driving 55 along a country road when an idiot pulled out in front of me very abruptly from a side road. They could see me clearly, but were paying to much attention to watching the other lane of traffic (I guess). Or they were just stones out of their gord. I had to lock my breaks to avoid hitting her in the side as she was sideways across two lanes when I came to her.

As it was in a rural part of a rural county, I could've probably been doing 80 down that road all day long without being stopped, but I wasn't - not because I was afraid of a ticket, but because sh!t happens.

Sometimes there is no accessing the situation until you're about to run into it.

digitall said:

Had I a radar
detector in my car I could have slowed down before the trap, thus
saving lives and terrible injury, and then sped up again afterwards
(risking, of course mowing down all those pedestrians and colliding
with that stream of on-coming cars on that country road on a Sunday
morning). You, of course, would have obeyed the speed limit all the
way and saved even more lives.

digitall said:

This thread as it is bringing out some very strange arguments in
favour of antisocial behaviour with people granting kudos for
dangerous and illigal behaviour not to mention perverting the
course of justice which is exactly what radar detectors do.

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You have no idea what the 'illigal behaviour' [sic] is, do you? Not
murder or burglary, I think, but trivial breaches of the law such
as speeding on empty roads. What do you do if a set of traffic
lights gets stuck on red? Sit there until the lights are repaired?

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E1derful said:

JeffJS said:

I don't know what your hurry is but good luck with your fuzz
buster. That is, until big brother has those cameras snapping
license plates and sending speeding tickets through the mail....

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I've been snapped once by them...but never again will they get
me....unless I am not paing attention.

In my city, they use large white vans with blue stripes on the side
to take those images. Easy to spot once you know what to look for.
My first ticket was 2 days after Christmas...which was only a month
or so after the program started in my area...

Now that I know about the new system, I doubt I will be it's victim
in the future.

They do not use radar or laser to determine speed. I forgot what
they claim to use as a speed determination device. It may be as
simple as the distance traveled over a specific time...

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I don't know what city you are in but here in the Detroit area they've been putting up 'security cameras' at just about every major intersection... They were doing it long before 9/11 so that isn't the reason they started it.

Measuring speed without radar or lazer is really quite simple. All you need is 2 fixed reference points and the time it takes to travel between them. Probably the easiest would be a device similar to those they use to measure traffic volume.. Ever see those black hoses laying across the road?? The cameras would be used to both snap the picture of the driver And of the license plate. Probably actually just capture them as the cameras are video.

Isn't technology FUN????

Jeff

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It's not a scam at all. It keeps people from selling stolen items, such as brand-new Escort radar detectors. If the guy on Ebay is a legtitimate business man, he can have it warrantied for you. If he's some sort of scam artist, you're screwed. If the seller wasn't an authorized dealer, Escort has nothing to worry about.

Of course this sort of situation can occur but then you are not paying attention to road conditions if you are speeding, are you? You should slow down and watch out at junctions if necessary. It is a matter of driving intelligently and trying to predict other's stupidity. In the end no radar trap is going to do much to prevent accidents because they are not placed where speeding matters: at accident 'hot spots'. I always drive with extreme caution in built-up areas and only exceed the speed limit where it is 'safe' to do so.

Tijean said:

Last Saturday I was driving 55 along a country road when an idiot
pulled out in front of me very abruptly from a side road. They
could see me clearly, but were paying to much attention to watching
the other lane of traffic (I guess). Or they were just stones out
of their gord. I had to lock my breaks to avoid hitting her in the
side as she was sideways across two lanes when I came to her.

As it was in a rural part of a rural county, I could've probably
been doing 80 down that road all day long without being stopped,
but I wasn't - not because I was afraid of a ticket, but because
sh!t happens.

Sometimes there is no accessing the situation until you're about to
run into it.

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Tijean said:

Last Saturday I was driving 55 along a country road when an idiot
pulled out in front of me very abruptly from a side road. They
could see me clearly, but were paying to much attention to watching
the other lane of traffic (I guess). Or they were just stones out
of their gord. I had to lock my breaks to avoid hitting her in the
side as she was sideways across two lanes when I came to her.

As it was in a rural part of a rural county, I could've probably
been doing 80 down that road all day long without being stopped,
but I wasn't - not because I was afraid of a ticket, but because
sh!t happens.

Sometimes there is no accessing the situation until you're about to
run into it.

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If you had gone...lets say 60, you would have passed that crossing way before she got there....just a thought!
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Events do not happen because you think about them......
You think about them because they are going to happen.

I bought the Sensoro Silver Bullet, and it is the BEST detector I have ever owned.

The digital Compass is my favorite part. Also, it is 2-3X smaller than the competition. When you first mount it, you will think "this bracket is too flimsy", but it is sooooo light that it does not matter.

It is REALLY cheap and even works off batteries.

I mounted mine above the rear view mirror. This inconspicuous place makes it seem like I do NOT have a RADAR detector. I do not use batteries with mine since the cigarette cord it comes with is like 15 ft. It is long enough to run ALONG the seams of my car. You cannot see the wire leading to the detector, which adds to the inconspicuous nature of the detector.

I had my reservations about it when I first got it from best buy. It was half the price of allthe other battery powered detectors.

Here is a link to it:

http://www.digitallyunique.com/silverbulletii.html

I do not remember their website, but they specialize in digital compasses. If you get one, I recommend using the battery compartment bracket to hold it up. The regular braket has some bounce to it. I prefer the stiffness of the battery bracket.

I could only see the reasoning of the warrenty if it was some kind of OEM item

Glenn

This has evolved into a ridiculous thread. Everyone gives their reasons for speeding and I definitely am for the guy who say’s don’t slow down but speed up into merging traffic off an on ramp in order to appropriately merge (not speed but merge). I have been with drivers who don’t do this and when they slow down and are caught in a lot of oncoming traffic, they inevitably have to come to almost a complete stop holding up everyone or possibly causing a multiple collision. It scares the heck out of me when a driver stops or slows down excessively when “attempting” to merge. Think people!

In AZ, the laws are quite different when it comes to merging and we’re fairly used to it. We need to come to a complete stop at certain times of the day and start up again. Basically flooring it so we can merge. But AZ is a bit backwards in some ways.

I would never base my case on saying that doing 80 in a 60 mph zone is justified because in my opinion it’s not but just to give one example: I was doing 35mph down a small road and this car (I think is was a mustang but not sure) flew off a ramp right in front of me (he must have been doing 90-100mph), managed to gain control after hitting a steal median. He floored it and kept on going. He missed me by inches. If I had been one second sooner, I would have been dead but no doubt he would be alive to tell about it.

So, in brief, the idiots who are irresponsible “drivers” should be taken off the road (preferably by me). MMmmm maybe I shouldn’t be too harsh because I was certainly no angel as a young driver or anything else for that matter but I’ll still yank you out of your car if you leave your window open. I know too many who have been killed by little boy idiots who think they own the road. As the old saying goes “everyone must know their limitations”. Ignorance is no excuse.

Regards,
Robert

who gives a s* t if he speeds? I speed all the time as well. If you want to know the purpose of speed limits just look at the reason they were first forced upon the American public.

krusadr said:

This thread as it is bringing out some very strange arguments in
favour of antisocial behaviour with people granting kudos for
dangerous and illigal behaviour not to mention perverting the
course of justice which is exactly what radar detectors do.

digitall said:

Here in Australia these radar traps are nearly always for revenue
raising purposes (you've only got to see where they are placed); a
sort of tax. I don't have a radar warning device but if I bought
one from ebay I'd expect the warranty to be honoured by the
manufacturer unless they could show why they should not.

By using a radar warning device Buzz is able to slow down and keep
within the law so he should be applauded. Also he is honest by
admitting to breaking the law at other times. I give him my vote.

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That's absurd I'm afraid. I'm not sure it was admitting to breaking
other laws so much as boasting about it. I think there's some
misplaced respect there. Is there some kind of prison / criminal
code of honour going on here?

Rhetorical question.

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Buzz Bussino said:

krusadr said:

Glad to see you defend Buzz who admits he also breaks other laws
but complains about others treatment of him. A bit rich don't you
think?

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Some laws I could care less about and speeding is in general one of
them. In most cases it's just a method of lucrative revenue
generation for the State just like parking meters for the City.

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Not just revenue, but another excuse for the cops to pull you over to make sure you "belong" in the neighborhood. Just another racist law, most of the time it gets applied.

Everybody speed where I am. If you don't, you get tailgate, perhaps CAUSE an accident. So when everybody is forced to speed, the cops get to select who to pull over.

Not insinuating anybody supporting speeding laws are racist.

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But I live in Germany and drive on the Autobahn....

No fuzz buster needed!
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DaFlake

How do you manage to be on the wrong side of EVERY issue?

Your ignorance is staggering. Speed doesn't kill - reckless driving kills. IOW, driving too fast for conditions. Your assumptions are nearly ALWAYS wrong, and here, your assumption that the posted speed limit is the correct maximum safe driving speed is just plain wrong.

Using your logic we should all be walking around. No horses or other animals either because of the abuse entailed. Using your logic we'd all be picking bugs off each other's backs and digging for roots.

But then you'd find something wrong with that as well.

Your LUST for power over your fellow man never ceases to amaze me. You are a crusader - but then you probably oppose all efforts to rein in the Islamofascists.

daflake said:

But I live in Germany and drive on the Autobahn....

No fuzz buster needed!
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The Autobahn has speed limits in certain sections doesn’t it? I think the lanes are wider too (compared to the U.S.). As I recall it was originally built for racing but I could be wrong on that. I ran across a humorous fact a while back. It’s not only stupid but it’s illegal to run out of gas on the Autobahn.
Regards,
Robert
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James Riley said:

Not just revenue, but another excuse for the cops to pull you over
to make sure you "belong" in the neighborhood. > JR

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I read an article about cops using night vision binoculars to spot people who aren't wearing seatbelts in states that it's illegal not to wear one. Do they really have to monitor our use of seatbelts at night??? A ridiculous waste of money in one sense but it does give them a "lawful" reason to pull you over. All they have to say is "sorry, the seatbelt just didn't show up in my binoculars but since I pulled you over we did a mandatory/required background check, I now have reason to search your vehicle." Not that I do anything illegal but I do see it as further infringement on an individuals rights since it boils down to the fact that you can be pulled over for anything now.
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Update:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20050606-110445-8285r.htm
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