D7 Noise @ ISO 200 & 400

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The D7 will be released in Australia within 2-3 weeks ( updated firmware version ) As I am intenting to purchase for sports photography am keen to hear owners impressions of 10x8 prints and above at ISO 200 & 400.....
Test images appeared noisy compared to say the D30.

Slow AF, battery capacatity and other shortcomings don't particularly concern me.
 
The D7 will be released in Australia within 2-3 weeks ( updated> firmware version ) As I am intenting to purchase for sports> photography am keen to hear owners impressions of 10x8 prints and> above at ISO 200 & 400.....> Test images appeared noisy compared to say the D30.
Everything's appears to be noisy against a D30 ;)

If you compare the D7 against the current 3MP cameras at ISO 100 it's about the same level; with ISO 200 and 400, the D7 is a little bit better than most. I noticed that when you print from the full size 5MP image, there is no noise visible. Maybe you shoud test this with full(!) sized samples from the internet.
tc
 
The D7 will be released in Australia within 2-3 weeks ( updated
firmware version ) As I am intenting to purchase for sports
photography am keen to hear owners impressions of 10x8 prints and
above at ISO 200 & 400.....
Test images appeared noisy compared to say the D30.
Slow AF, battery capacatity and other shortcomings don't
particularly concern me.
Ian,

As far as higher ISO noise is concerned, the D30 is the clear winner, but that doesn't mean the D7 is a bad camera. Compare the sensor sizes of the two cameras in Phil's reviews and you'll understand why the D30 is so much less noisy (as is the D1x). To my eyes the D7 does appear slightly noisier than the other prosumer cameras in its class. But if you're going to be using the camera at ISO 200/400 and you can afford the D30+lens, by all means go for it. IIRC it goes up to ISO 1600 (or is it 3200?) and it's very clean even at ISO 800. Check Phil's review.

Costas
 
Thie noise is about the same as the other cameras with this same sized sensor pixels. The D7 is no D30, if you want a D30 you should get one, it is better in almost evey respect except weight and raw resolution. The D30 has sensor areas that are almost 10 times the area of the 3.4 micron sensors used in most of the 3.3 4 and 5 Mpixel cameas. The D30 beats all the non-pro cameras for noise. You will pay twice as much or more for the D30 and a cheap lens, sorry don't know the local prices where you are. You probably should not be comparing the two cameas, but if you are looking at the D7 as going to be a "poor man's D30" it isn't ;)

As for noise in the D7, it isn't bad, about the same as the others.
  • It is primarily caused by agressive sharpening in the camera, and if you take your shots on soft it is much reduced.
  • compared to a camera like the Nikon 990, I think that the D7 noise is better. The 990 has sort of a larger "oil slick" color noise, and the D7 has a finer grain noise. The 990's noise might not show up on noise tests, take a look at some shots. Because the D7 has more pixels, it's finer grain noise is less apparent when you print.
I'd get some samples and print them out and see what you think, that is the best way.
Bryan
The D7 will be released in Australia within 2-3 weeks ( updated
firmware version ) As I am intenting to purchase for sports
photography am keen to hear owners impressions of 10x8 prints and
above at ISO 200 & 400.....
Test images appeared noisy compared to say the D30.
Slow AF, battery capacatity and other shortcomings don't
particularly concern me.
 
I think you're asking for failure wanting to shoot sports with a prosumer digicam.

I have an E100RS that can preshoot and can do 15 fps. It still focus' slowly.

The 7 focus' even slower.

You need a 35mm body based digital to get fast focus and response for sports.

Even my 330 studio 35mm digital smokes any prosumer digital I've owned for focus speed and responsiveness. It does a much better job with sports than any prosumer digicam I've owned.

Hope you're not setting yourself up for disappointment.

BC
The D7 will be released in Australia within 2-3 weeks ( updated
firmware version ) As I am intenting to purchase for sports
photography am keen to hear owners impressions of 10x8 prints and
above at ISO 200 & 400.....
Test images appeared noisy compared to say the D30.
Slow AF, battery capacatity and other shortcomings don't
particularly concern me.
 
Hi Ian

If you are going digital to shoot sports check out the pro forum first. I think the Canon even though it is a great camera is not strong in that area. The Nikon DiH is soon to be released at a lower price and it will be made for action shooting
Dave
 
I have to agree with this talk about shooting sports. The D7 is not the best camera for that due mainly to the focus speed. Yeah, you can still do it, and I've done it, but depending on what type of "sports" you have in mind I'd look at a camera with faster focus time. If for some pro type work, I'd rather use film than the D7. You really need a Nikon D1H to do it right. If this is for casual use shooting sports at your kid's soccer game, the the D7 will do.
Bryan
Hi Ian
If you are going digital to shoot sports check out the pro forum
first. I think the Canon even though it is a great camera is not
strong in that area. The Nikon DiH is soon to be released at a
lower price and it will be made for action shooting
Dave
 
Why is everyone so dependant on auto-focus?

In many cases the action will be at a fairly fixed or predictable distance, so pre-focus using auto or manual then turn off the AF and you're ready.

Didn't anybody ever have a (non SLR) camera where you just had to learn how to guestimate the distance and set it by the scale on the lens ring; or ever take close-ups by using +1/+2 close-up adapters and measure the distance with a rule (not to mention parallax)?

Anybody remember having to wind the film on themselves between shots?

Remember match needle metering, your first Kodak 126 instamatic fixed focus (cloudy/sunny setting if you had a good one) and flash cubes?

Aah... the good old days!

Mark H
 
Sonny boy, in my day we had to get up and walk to the TV to change the channels.

Uphill!

Both ways!!

Mike Roberts
 
Pah!! I preferred it when you used to get propoer information exchange down t'club or int' letters ta editor. Them was tha days thou knowst.

DaveR (realising that this is going off topic in what was a fairly sensible thread - sorry)
Sonny boy, in my day we had to get up and walk to the TV to change
the channels.

Uphill!

Both ways!!

Mike Roberts
 
Oh yeah... anyone ever make a tele-photo pin-hole camera out of a 12" long cardboard tube? (no focus delay... just 30 minutes exposure time - no hot pixels though!)

Mark H
 
I don't think it's a matter of being "dependant" on AF -- it's the issue of diminished functionality. A decent AF should help you focus faster and more effectively than MF in most instances.

Although there are certainly cases like the ones you describe with fixed-distance action (that, resumably, you could set focus to infinity for), many good action opportunities, and indeed some the best ones, involve camera movement -- panning, following, even snap-shooting. In these instances AF would really come in handy.

It's just a shame that on the D7, you have to turn off AF when you could use it the most.
Why is everyone so dependant on auto-focus?

In many cases the action will be at a fairly fixed or predictable
distance, so pre-focus using auto or manual then turn off the AF
and you're ready.

Didn't anybody ever have a (non SLR) camera where you just had to
learn how to guestimate the distance and set it by the scale on the
lens ring; or ever take close-ups by using +1/+2 close-up adapters
and measure the distance with a rule (not to mention parallax)?

Anybody remember having to wind the film on themselves between shots?
Remember match needle metering, your first Kodak 126 instamatic
fixed focus (cloudy/sunny setting if you had a good one) and flash
cubes?

Aah... the good old days!

Mark H
 
Many thank Guys for the good advice plus the bonus humour from Bill, > Dave & Mike.

I have been using manual focus lense successfully for various sports with a > 645 Mamiya and a 301 Nikon for a number of years.

The sports mainly involve kids and include Equestrian, Soccer, Aussie > Rules Football, Baseball and Karting.

Mark is correct with his prefoccussing remarks, however I expect there > would be occasions that AF would be a bonus. I expect that the D7 is > not as easy to prefocuss manually as a film camera is ?? If it is reasonably > easy to prefocus manually then I will probably still go for it.

I make it a hobby/business by returning to the same team event a week > or so later and selling action shots to parents from enlarged display > proofs....also carrying a portfolio of some of my best sporting work.
The D30 with the IS 28-135 would be ideal ( or D1H ) however the

best D30 / Lense/Battery Grip package ( not including a decent CF card ) > works out to A$6,800 with the D7 at $3,000 .

The other issue is that I have read even the D30 is not particularly rapid > on AF.

Our $ was a lot closer to the US$ a few years ago but is now half the > value. So price is an issue unless someone completely convinces me that > the D7 will not give good results.
I am aware that I will need a good supply of batteries to feed the
D7's appetite, I am hoping that the new battery system to be available
shortly will help in that area??

I have A Compac Laptop with a special 6 hour "field power setup", > images will be downloaded via a card reader at each event.

The intention is to show the images to parents on the same day under > the shade of the tree and take orders on the spot.
Any further remarks, advice or humour will be appreciated !!
Ian Gray
Although there are certainly cases like the ones you describe with
fixed-distance action (that, resumably, you could set focus to
infinity for), many good action opportunities, and indeed some the
best ones, involve camera movement -- panning, following, even
snap-shooting. In these instances AF would really come in handy.

It's just a shame that on the D7, you have to turn off AF when you
could use it the most.
Why is everyone so dependant on auto-focus?

In many cases the action will be at a fairly fixed or predictable
distance, so pre-focus using auto or manual then turn off the AF
and you're ready.

Didn't anybody ever have a (non SLR) camera where you just had to
learn how to guestimate the distance and set it by the scale on the
lens ring; or ever take close-ups by using +1/+2 close-up adapters
and measure the distance with a rule (not to mention parallax)?

Anybody remember having to wind the film on themselves between shots?
Remember match needle metering, your first Kodak 126 instamatic
fixed focus (cloudy/sunny setting if you had a good one) and flash
cubes?

Aah... the good old days!

Mark H
 
The D30 with the IS 28-135 would be ideal ( or D1H ) however the

best D30 / Lense/Battery Grip package ( not including a decent CF card ) > works out to A$6,800 with the D7 at $3,000 .
I think you could find better prices on either cameras, even if the accessories are purchased separately.
The other issue is that I have read even the D30 is not particularly rapid > on AF.
Compared to the fasted and most expensive film SLR's, the D30 may not autofocus as quickly, but it's much faster than any consumer digital camera. The lens used with the D30 makes a big difference on AF speed too.
 
You had TWO channels? Wow! We just had "the" channel. When it came in.
Bryan
Sonny boy, in my day we had to get up and walk to the TV to change
the channels.

Uphill!

Both ways!!

Mike Roberts
 

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