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Hi,

I have been doing many fashion studio shoots with the E-10 and something has bugged me and I figured I would mention it, because I have not seen it discussed here before?

How do you hold your camera?

I had done a mixture. Some I hold the camera normally to get a shot and several I tilt 90 degrees to get full length shots. The problem is when I give a client a gallery CD, which I produce using Photoshop's Automated Web Gallery command, beforehand I have to manually load in each tilted one, straighten it out and resave it. Kind of a pain and...time is money.

Now I suppose I could do a batch Action on a folder, but then that would tilt EVERY picture 90 degrees, not what I want. And I don't know of a Photoshop plug-in so smart that it knew which ones to flip and which ones not to.

So maybe the only option is to shoot EVERY shot in the photo shoot tilted sideways, then run a batch, then create a gallery? Kind of limited for a creative shoot. Plus, wouldn't my hand get tired quicker?

Sideways is better, because most of the shoots are for a model's portfolio book, which are typically 8 x 10s. Plus I would get the maximum resolution with minimal cropping.

So any suggestions? Has anyone faced this problem? The CD gallery is a big part of my business, it's so much better than small images on a contact sheet, and with a blank CD, it only costs 50 cents to produce.

Thanks for any help!

Frank
-- http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
Firstly, a slight digress - for balance, many people like the Lipo battery pack. I've not got one, so I can't comment.

But as to rotation. It's cheap and nasty, you've probably forgotten all about it, and it's slow as hell, but... remember good old Camedia that came with the camera! Well, select the thumbnails with CTRL-Left button, then hit the rotate icon to do all of them. Then, go and make a coffee and come back when it's done! :)

Excal
Frank McMahon said:
Hi,

I have been doing many fashion studio shoots with the E-10 and
something has bugged me and I figured I would mention it, because I
have not seen it discussed here before?

How do you hold your camera?

I had done a mixture. Some I hold the camera normally to get a shot
and several I tilt 90 degrees to get full length shots. The problem
is when I give a client a gallery CD, which I produce using
Photoshop's Automated Web Gallery command, beforehand I have to
manually load in each tilted one, straighten it out and resave it.
Kind of a pain and...time is money.

Now I suppose I could do a batch Action on a folder, but then that
would tilt EVERY picture 90 degrees, not what I want. And I don't
know of a Photoshop plug-in so smart that it knew which ones to
flip and which ones not to.

So maybe the only option is to shoot EVERY shot in the photo shoot
tilted sideways, then run a batch, then create a gallery? Kind of
limited for a creative shoot. Plus, wouldn't my hand get tired
quicker?

Sideways is better, because most of the shoots are for a model's
portfolio book, which are typically 8 x 10s. Plus I would get the
maximum resolution with minimal cropping.

So any suggestions? Has anyone faced this problem? The CD gallery
is a big part of my business, it's so much better than small images
on a contact sheet, and with a blank CD, it only costs 50 cents to
produce.

Thanks for any help!

Frank

--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
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There's a software called ACDSEE which is superb for doing quick actions as the one you've asked for. Just select the photos you want to rotate in a specific folder and by one command you can make a " lossless " rotation of all the selected images. " lossless " means that the software does not change any compression levels or whatsoever with the photo. Very handy !

All the best
Jens
Frank McMahon said:
Hi,

I have been doing many fashion studio shoots with the E-10 and
something has bugged me and I figured I would mention it, because I
have not seen it discussed here before?

How do you hold your camera?

I had done a mixture. Some I hold the camera normally to get a shot
and several I tilt 90 degrees to get full length shots. The problem
is when I give a client a gallery CD, which I produce using
Photoshop's Automated Web Gallery command, beforehand I have to
manually load in each tilted one, straighten it out and resave it.
Kind of a pain and...time is money.

Now I suppose I could do a batch Action on a folder, but then that
would tilt EVERY picture 90 degrees, not what I want. And I don't
know of a Photoshop plug-in so smart that it knew which ones to
flip and which ones not to.

So maybe the only option is to shoot EVERY shot in the photo shoot
tilted sideways, then run a batch, then create a gallery? Kind of
limited for a creative shoot. Plus, wouldn't my hand get tired
quicker?

Sideways is better, because most of the shoots are for a model's
portfolio book, which are typically 8 x 10s. Plus I would get the
maximum resolution with minimal cropping.

So any suggestions? Has anyone faced this problem? The CD gallery
is a big part of my business, it's so much better than small images
on a contact sheet, and with a blank CD, it only costs 50 cents to
produce.

Thanks for any help!

Frank

--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
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For this I like the original ACDSee2.4.

I can load all images from a shoot and select as many as are necessary by clicking on one, hold CTLR and click on the rest. When selection is made and still with the CTLR key pressed I hit R - a box pops up with option to rotate each individually or all - naturally I chose all.

Version 3 of this software does not work like this.
Frank McMahon said:
Hi,

I have been doing many fashion studio shoots with the E-10 and
something has bugged me and I figured I would mention it, because I
have not seen it discussed here before?
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Ger Bee,

You can do this with ver 3 as well. Instead of hitting R you hit Ctrl-J

Cheers
Jens
Ger Bee said:
I can load all images from a shoot and select as many as are
necessary by clicking on one, hold CTLR and click on the rest. When
selection is made and still with the CTLR key pressed I hit R - a
box pops up with option to rotate each individually or all -
naturally I chose all.

Version 3 of this software does not work like this.
Frank McMahon said:
Hi,

I have been doing many fashion studio shoots with the E-10 and
something has bugged me and I figured I would mention it, because I
have not seen it discussed here before?
Click to expand...
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Frank -
I really like ThumbsPlus for this problem.

You can select the photos to turn 90 degrees, and then batch process them as a "quick" action -- no need to open each one, and no JPG re-compression loss.

Then you can burn the CD slide show quite easily with ThumbsPlus. The resulting slide show will play on your client's computer, without their having to pre-load load any software.

It's a really neat system, and of course this is all in addition to ThumbsPlus's main duty: sorting/viewing/organizing your thousands of digital photos.
Bob
 
Only one manufacturer I know of ever got this right - the higher end Kodak consumer cameras had a tilt switch that the camera observed and automatically rotated the picture appropriately before saving.

Many camera manufacturers offer cameras with multiple releases, but none seems to have figured out that the photos taken in portrait mode with the aux shutter release should be oriented that way.

In the meantime, you can use a program like Qimage to select and perform lossless jpeg rotations on your images. It can do + -90 and 180 rotations without introducing additional artifacts.

Good luck, and keep complaining on this. It's the only way that they will ever correct it.

Regards,

Matt Chroust
[email protected]
Frank McMahon said:
Hi,

I have been doing many fashion studio shoots with the E-10 and
something has bugged me and I figured I would mention it, because I
have not seen it discussed here before?

How do you hold your camera?

I had done a mixture. Some I hold the camera normally to get a shot
and several I tilt 90 degrees to get full length shots. The problem
is when I give a client a gallery CD, which I produce using
Photoshop's Automated Web Gallery command, beforehand I have to
manually load in each tilted one, straighten it out and resave it.
Kind of a pain and...time is money.

Now I suppose I could do a batch Action on a folder, but then that
would tilt EVERY picture 90 degrees, not what I want. And I don't
know of a Photoshop plug-in so smart that it knew which ones to
flip and which ones not to.

So maybe the only option is to shoot EVERY shot in the photo shoot
tilted sideways, then run a batch, then create a gallery? Kind of
limited for a creative shoot. Plus, wouldn't my hand get tired
quicker?

Sideways is better, because most of the shoots are for a model's
portfolio book, which are typically 8 x 10s. Plus I would get the
maximum resolution with minimal cropping.

So any suggestions? Has anyone faced this problem? The CD gallery
is a big part of my business, it's so much better than small images
on a contact sheet, and with a blank CD, it only costs 50 cents to
produce.

Thanks for any help!

Frank

--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
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Frank,

The Lipo grip/battery give you a very comfortable potrait grip, even for my large hands. The shutter button for the potrait mode is even sensibly placed.

FWIW -

Mark K.
Frank McMahon said:
Hi,

I have been doing many fashion studio shoots with the E-10 and
something has bugged me and I figured I would mention it, because I
have not seen it discussed here before?

How do you hold your camera?

I had done a mixture. Some I hold the camera normally to get a shot
and several I tilt 90 degrees to get full length shots. The problem
is when I give a client a gallery CD, which I produce using
Photoshop's Automated Web Gallery command, beforehand I have to
manually load in each tilted one, straighten it out and resave it.
Kind of a pain and...time is money.

Now I suppose I could do a batch Action on a folder, but then that
would tilt EVERY picture 90 degrees, not what I want. And I don't
know of a Photoshop plug-in so smart that it knew which ones to
flip and which ones not to.

So maybe the only option is to shoot EVERY shot in the photo shoot
tilted sideways, then run a batch, then create a gallery? Kind of
limited for a creative shoot. Plus, wouldn't my hand get tired
quicker?

Sideways is better, because most of the shoots are for a model's
portfolio book, which are typically 8 x 10s. Plus I would get the
maximum resolution with minimal cropping.

So any suggestions? Has anyone faced this problem? The CD gallery
is a big part of my business, it's so much better than small images
on a contact sheet, and with a blank CD, it only costs 50 cents to
produce.

Thanks for any help!

Frank

--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
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Which programs out there do lossless JPEG rotation? So far this thread has pointed out Thumbsplus and Qimage. Any others?
 
Hi Frank,

I don't do any rotation outside of Photoshop and that is when I am editing and saving an image as an lzw tiff . I use iView MediaPro to create a catalogue of a folder of images (it takes seconds for hundreds of high res images) and it has a really nice action facility to move all of the upright images into another folder of your choice. I then have a Photoshop action for portrait, and an action for landscape to do my basic saving for web, adding frames etc.

It's another cup of coffee job as you can set a batch running using an action and go and do something else while it is running. I typically use it to resize for web etc. It works in the background - like most things in Photoshop but coffee is better....

Hope this helps,

Richard
Frank McMahon said:
Hi,

I have been doing many fashion studio shoots with the E-10 and
something has bugged me and I figured I would mention it, because I
have not seen it discussed here before?

How do you hold your camera?

I had done a mixture. Some I hold the camera normally to get a shot
and several I tilt 90 degrees to get full length shots. The problem
is when I give a client a gallery CD, which I produce using
Photoshop's Automated Web Gallery command, beforehand I have to
manually load in each tilted one, straighten it out and resave it.
Kind of a pain and...time is money.

Now I suppose I could do a batch Action on a folder, but then that
would tilt EVERY picture 90 degrees, not what I want. And I don't
know of a Photoshop plug-in so smart that it knew which ones to
flip and which ones not to.

So maybe the only option is to shoot EVERY shot in the photo shoot
tilted sideways, then run a batch, then create a gallery? Kind of
limited for a creative shoot. Plus, wouldn't my hand get tired
quicker?

Sideways is better, because most of the shoots are for a model's
portfolio book, which are typically 8 x 10s. Plus I would get the
maximum resolution with minimal cropping.

So any suggestions? Has anyone faced this problem? The CD gallery
is a big part of my business, it's so much better than small images
on a contact sheet, and with a blank CD, it only costs 50 cents to
produce.

Thanks for any help!

Frank

--
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
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Richard Goulden wrote:
Hi Frank,

I haven't read all the replies so I hope I am not repeating others- if you are a Mac user then Cameraid (shareware) is a great piece of software just for doing that one process - quickly reviewing and rotating images if you wish to .

Like Richard I use iViewPro for catalogues etc - I think it is great but it does not do permanent rotations as Cameraid does - so my usual method if I know there are many requiring rotation is to open them in Cameraid - rotate as necessary - then open in iViewPro for selection, rejection and finding the "good-uns" from the "oops" variety - then finally into Photoshop with the few worth looking at and working on . Believe it or not this whole process is very quick and efficient with time - Cameraid can open dozens if not hundreds of images faster than any other I know and iViewPro is also much faster than Photoshop.

Often I end up only resizing a few for email or posting on the web page - if you are doing dozens for the wenb page at least by having them rotated in advance you should be able to set up two actions to speed things up - or Graphic Converter?

good luck and keep on clickin'

Ron Co
http://www.yp-connect.net/~macman
 
Thanks for all the advice. Looks like I have three main options for PC jpg lossless rotation: QImage Pro, ACDSee and Thumbs Plus. All seem fairly pricy for what I want to do, which is just flip jpgs without loss. I know they are all full featured programs, but I don't need all the bells and whistles.

Let me ask, do any function, after trial mode, pretty normally? Meaning, which one would be good to try and continue to use just to rotate jpgs, while some of the other features are disabled.

I tried the Camedia Software that came with my E-10, I had never installed it, and it does a good job of rotation but it does recompress according to what jpg setting you have in the preferences. At the highest setting the difference is hard to detect, I couldn't, however it does turn a 789k file into a 1.1 meg file.

Frank
http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
Frank McMahon said:
Thanks for all the advice. Looks like I have three main options for
PC jpg lossless rotation: QImage Pro, ACDSee and Thumbs Plus. All
seem fairly pricy for what I want to do, which is just flip jpgs
without loss.
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I use ACDSee while in Windows, and put up with the banner ads across the bottom of the thumbnail/index display (it doesn't show up in fullscreen mode). It will periodically connect to the ACDSee server and download more ads, but I find it never really gets in the way of me using it. I tried ThumbsPlus, but I couldn't get used to it as an image browser, so I went back to ACDSee.

Check out this URL for a list of applications that can do lossless JPEG transformations: http://jpegclub.org/losslessapps.html . There must be a freeware one in there with a batch function.

This is probably a long shot, but if you have a UNIX box that has access to your photos, the standard libjpeg package includes a utility called jpegtran that does all this for you from the command line (and thus very easy to script or batch). I use that all the time.
 
Bob in Yakima said:
Frank -
I really like ThumbsPlus for this problem.
You can select the photos to turn 90 degrees, and then batch
process them as a "quick" action -- no need to open each one, and
no JPG re-compression loss.
Then you can burn the CD slide show quite easily with ThumbsPlus.
The resulting slide show will play on your client's computer,
without their having to pre-load load any software.
It's a really neat system, and of course this is all in addition to
ThumbsPlus's main duty: sorting/viewing/organizing your thousands
of digital photos.
Bob
Click to expand...
 
Frank McMahon said:
Thanks for all the advice. Looks like I have three main options for
PC jpg lossless rotation: QImage Pro, ACDSee and Thumbs Plus. All
seem fairly pricy for what I want to do, which is just flip jpgs
without loss. I know they are all full featured programs, but I
don't need all the bells and whistles.
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Another program nobody mentioned is CompuPic. It also does lossless rotation. I got it when it was first released and have been using it for years. Great browser too.
 
Well I tested a few lossless jpg rotation programs and decided on, drum role....Ulead's Photo Explorer 6 ( http://www.ulead.com/pex/freeware.htm )

I tried some of the shareware options and found the interfaces a little difficult. Photo Explorer 6 is a totally free program, but does have a banner ad in it. It is very fast at displaying a directory of thumbnails and it does lossless jpg rotation very quick. My rough estimate is several hundred hi-res E-10 images flipped in under 90 seconds, automatically saved over the original files. Highly recommended.

Frank-- http://www.franklinmcmahon.com/
 
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