Women and the new Kodaks...

Listen up you girllie man. That women cain't do da maith is what Larry (not the fairy) Summers the Pres of Harvard says ---not just me. Although Larry is in good company wihen he supports my position.

Oddly to you nudnik my wife knows exactly what I thnk and likely agrees with me. I guess you have to pass your ideas by your wife for yher approval. She a bull D... by chance?

FYI further nudnik. Black Americans do dismal at math. They play basketball 24/7 and their math text scores show it. Next time you want to criticize you primary school teach you. Get your facts right or shut your outh. PS I'm not he other dkb. Wanna bet?

Further next time you address me use the term 'exalted one' placing me up high makes clear to the world your own status as a perfecto ZERO.

I remember the Benetton ads as they used shock tactics to sell clothes. I never understood how anyone could be impressed by that but perhaps it worked because we remember them.

There is another issue to this, not just the content of the ad but the context of the ad. In the UK the Grands Prix coverage always used to be shown live on BBC TV which is totally ad-free. As you know a Grands Prix is (usually) an uninterupted race and so any ads causes a loss of coverage. The event switched to ITV (a tv channel with ads) and so many cool moments are now lost during the ad breaks. They then show replays of crashes etc when the ad break is over but that in itself causes more loss of coverage as the race is ongoing.

The Grands Prix were sacrosanct to me and so when it switched to ITV I decided never, ever to patronise any of the advertisers who chose to advertise during the races.

As far as I was concerned all those ads were an expensive shot in the foot for the advertisers.

Ian Loveday said:

I dont disagree with either of the contributors comments on my
earlier entry -- I too sometimes don't buy a product because I
dislike the advertising so much - and feel that if I have bought
the product, people will think that advertising has appealed to me.
HOWEVER - I can make a distinction between advertising which I
don't like and a product itself which is no good. I hope most
people can.

If an ad has that kind of negative impact on too many people you're
right, it isn't doing its job. A successful ad is one which does
enough to get attention (humor, shock, controversy, whatever) while
not actually putting some people off altogether. The harder you try
to achieve the former, the larger the risk of doing the latter.
Remember the Benneton 'united colours' ads? I bet you do. Remember
the 'Hello boys' wonderbra ads? I bet you do. Remember the 'FCUK'
clothes label ads? I bet you do. Remember any of the Miss Selfridge
or Topshop or ads? I bet you don't. You know why - because they
weren't memorable!. And all these ads were aimed at the same women.

IML

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'Silence! What is all this insolence? You will find yourself in gladiator school vewy quickly with wotten behaviour like that.'

I'm afraid not. I'm English, so most, if not all of your cultural references are lost on me. I'm just a plain old man of Milton Keynes university myself, still slowly pursuing my first degree in astrophysics. 70 points so far, 230 to go - will get there eventually...

dk brown said:

Let us talk about advanced degrees bubba. A BA in math from
bilngual Boricua college in Washington Heights or a BA in math el
ed studies at Howard don't count. Comprendo bubba?

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Fine Bunna. I gots an MBA and use is a frosh. Do daaa math. Women do not get advanced degrees in many of the hard sciences. That is simply a fact.

You stop arguing when you run out of things to say. Sorta like the Brit army ran outa gas in the first six weeks a WW II and needed American guns, money and blood to bail the Island. Speaking of which the Brit Army in WW I ...........get my drift.

Ghandi beat our butskies in Injuh and the empire and useall ain't never been the same since. Now we now why Brit teeth are notoriusly brown.... and I have the photographs to prove it.

But seriously. Maybe women's brains are reared for child rearing. This is a hard thing for some ultrafeminists to accept but estrogen and testosteroen are differeent. And the differences I must say do not make one better than the other.

So you claim that you are DK Brown who is not the same person as dkb who appears to have been banned 3 weeks ago. DK Brown's first post was 3 weeks ago, about the same time dkb stopped posting.

dk brown and dkb are similar user names.

Okay so I have only 2 circumstantial pieces of evidence. Not guilty yet.

Do an "All Text" search in the forums for "Morganthau senile" and you will see that both DK Brown and dkb come up in the results. If you click on his posts you will see that these 2 totally different people are talking about the NYC District Attorney and that he is senile.

I can tell by your writing style that you are the same person and what you are writing will probably get you banned again.

Next time you come back, please try to come up with a harder name for me to find. But the way you write will make it quite obvious.

Wow. I guess you think I'm busted. But there is a problem: Morganthaus is widely known to be senile and he is widely despised becasue it is becoming well known what a fraud he is. Coincidence? Ya gotta believe. I don't know this other dkb fellow. But. I wish i did. Your deduction watson not only wouldn't get a conviction but might get yu jailed for incompetence.

Seriously I'm not he. The Morgantha thing is funny. Maybe this bloke read my posts and took up my crudgel. God bless him and America too.

Meanwhile Qwerty please identify thyself. You hide well and often.

You slipped up already. dkb wrote his posts about the "widely known senile Morganthau" before you. So you must have read his post and took up his cause.

You wish you knew this dkb fella, well I think you know him all too well. And your wife is sleeping with him

By the way, you say men are better at math, maybe you should have a woman check your spelling.

If you want I will find more similarities and post the links.

math = spelling Hmmmmmmmmmm Now who is innumerate you porker. Please do prove who I am.

Ian Loveday said:

HOWEVER - I can make a distinction between advertising which I
don't like and a product itself which is no good. I hope most
people can.

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I think I do

This approach works best when there are two or more highly similar products on the market - it often takes just one dumb ad to make me choose the other product.

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You know, you might be right about one thing. There could well be differences between brains: your brain and normal brains...

Clearly there is something wrong with your speech centre as about 50% of the words you use don't appear in the dictionary.

Oh, the differences also seem to negatively impact on your eyesight too: my name is spelt MILLIER - only one letter but it means something to me.

Nobel Prizes Science:

1903 PHYSICS MARIE SKLODOWSKA CURIE
1911 CHEMISTRY MARIE SKLODOWSKA CURIE
1935 CHEMISTRY IRENE JOLIOT-CURIE
1947 BIOCHEMISTRY GERTY RADNITZ CORI
1963 PHYSICS MARIA GOEPPERT MAYER
1964 CHEMISTRY DOROTHY CROWFOOT HODGKIN
1977 MEDICAL PHYSICS ROSALYN SUSSMAN YALOW
1983 MEDICINE or PHYSIOLOGY BARBARA McCLINTOCK
1986 MEDICINE or PHYSIOLOGY RITA LEVI-MONTALCINI
1988 BIOCHEMISTRY GERTRUDE B. ELION

Chauvenet Prize

The Chauvenet Prize is awarded annually by the Mathematical Association of America to the author of an outstanding expository article on a mathematical topic. Winners of the Chauvent Prize are among the most distinguished of mathematical expositors. Women mathematicians who have won the prize are:

1996 Joan Birman, "New Points of View in Knot Theory," AMS Bulletin, 28(1993).

2001 Carolyn S. Gordon (with David L. Webb), "You can't hear the shape of a drum", American Scientist 84 (1996), 46-55.

2002 Ellen Gethner (with Stan Wagon and Brian Wick), "A Stroll through the Gaussian Primes", American Mathematical Monthly, vol 105, no. 4 (1998), 327-337.

MacArthur Fellowships

MacArthur fellowships, popularly known as the "genius awards," cannot be applied for; rather, candidates are drawn from a pool of initial nominations by an anonymous group of 100 people.

Women mathematicians who have received MacArthur Fellowships are:

1983 Julia Robinson
1983 Karen Uhlenbeck
1990 Nancy Kopell
1992 Ingrid Daubechies

MAA Yueh-Gin Gung and Dr. Charles Y. Hu Award for Distinguished Service to Mathematics

The Yueh-Gin Gung and Dr. Charles Y. Hu Award for Distinguished Service to Mathematics is the most prestigious award made by the Mathematical Association of America. This award, first given in 1990, is the successor to the Award for Distinguished Service to Mathematics, awarded since 1962.

Women mathematicians who have won this award or the previous Distinguished Service Award are:

1962 Mina Rees
1991 Shirley Hill
1995 Anneli Lax
1997 Deborah Tepper Haimo
1998 Alice T. Schafer
2004 T. Christine Stevens

dk brown said:

Fine Bunna. I gots an MBA and use is a frosh. Do daaa math. Women
do not get advanced degrees in many of the hard sciences. That is
simply a fact.

You stop arguing when you run out of things to say. Sorta like the
Brit army ran outa gas in the first six weeks a WW II and needed
American guns, money and blood to bail the Island. Speaking of
which the Brit Army in WW I ...........get my drift.

Ghandi beat our butskies in Injuh and the empire and useall ain't
never been the same since. Now we now why Brit teeth are notoriusly
brown.... and I have the photographs to prove it.

But seriously. Maybe women's brains are reared for child rearing.
This is a hard thing for some ultrafeminists to accept but estrogen
and testosteroen are differeent. And the differences I must say do
not make one better than the other.

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Ian Loveday said:

The job of product advertising is to get noticed, and get over to
as many potential customers as possible the USPs of the product as
simply as possible, and to make sure they remember the
product/brand name. To do this advertising agencies (us so called
"creatives") sometimes adopt strange tactics, particularly in a
crowded market with alot of confusing and competing
similar-sounding and similar-looking products from which they need
to differentiate.
Humor, sometimes overt, sometimes tongue-in-cheek, is a good
method. So is surprise. So is controversy. Please credit both the
advertising and the audience with a bit more sophistication and
intelligence than saying they're simply relying on (or living
up/down to) cultural and sexual stereotypes.

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I agree, and even if you do not like a certain ad, a feeling of the product remains subconciously. But, just note that (not as a typical sample), when I see an ad with a beatiful woman, usually lost in her beauty, I miss the object of the adv. Beauty is to be admired, after all!
regards,
George

the day the taught marketing.......

so shoudl we take all the sexy women out of beer ads and let men decide which beer they like best based on taste?

there are hundreds of digi-cam companies... you should see how many colors cell phones and cams come in here in japan. they market some cell-phones 100% to women. i see nothign wrong with it

it's all about making $$$$$$$

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If it causes sales in the target audience it will continue, it it doesn't, it will go away. If it's still around in, say, 2 - 6 months, we will know that women (at least a sizable subset of women) ARE motivated to buy digital cameras that are tiny in size, easy to use and come in stereotypical colors. Sometimes the ads aren't aimed at ALL women, they are no more a monolithic group than men are.

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Clearly Millel (sic) you are either a fem or a henpecked pud. The awards you mention are mostly frog awards so they don't count. When was the last time the French built anythig masculine anybody wanted. Well......errr ...wine..... but now the Aussies do it better for less....

Stick to dresses Miller (sic) Azzadine Alia the manliest of French men (an Algerian) still does ok by the female form.

DavidMillier said:

Seriously, the problem with marketing is that is a self contained little > world of assumptions and cliches that are not really properly tested
(despite all the polling and focus groups)

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Look around yourself! The world is full of women like that. It doesn't mean that all women are like that, or that only women are like that, but the fact is that it's a big fat segment full of money and Kodak wants a piece of the action.
What's the big deal?

I agree that statement from Kodak is chauvinistic, archaic and just plain offensive. On the other hand, I have seen more promotion of that type of stereotype HERE on this forum than anywhere else on the internet lately. Examples: "help me choose a camera for my wife", or worse...."THE wife"...it "must be easy to use", it can't be too complicated or it won't be used. "Must be small enough to fit in a purse"....it "can't have too many buttons"...But the thing is we all know women just like that, and you know what? Kodak is right! MOST women fit that description. All the ones I know think I am quite strange with my affinity for "techie" stuff, the fact that I not only have but know how to download music to an iPod, and have more than one digital camera. So Kodak is marketing to the mass market of "dumb women" along with the guys who go and buy this product for them, and they're damn successful! It's sad, but I don't think we'll see a change any time soon. Hopefully our kids will, if they start to lose the stereotypes in the first place. K.
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