Canon...Wake Up...you are down and the

but you buy your mustang with an beetle engine inside?
Earlier on in the forum I noticed the car analogy - expecting a car
manufacturer to unleash the whole power of the engine. Well,
actually, very few car manufactureres do that. Most car performance
can be improved by a new muffler(exhaust) system & a new controller
chip. These 2 "minor" upgrades on my previous car would have cost
about $3000 on a $65,000 car & bumped up the HP from 240 HP to 330
HP. So don't ***** about the DReb not being "fully-featured" -
welcome to real life!

Linda
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Nice world...'FROZEN'-it !!! (with digital).
828, U60 and DR...soon an 20D-er
 
some issues needing to be answered first (and some comments as well)
Not everything does what it says it did. That's the problem.
The AIfocus for instance is broken. It does not do what it is
supposed to do. It is supposed to start tracking a moving subject
automatically, and otherwise work like one shot focus. But it is
broken. It often starts tracking when there is no moving target.
Are you sure you have not moved the camera to trigger the servo mode in the AIfocus? Only when you can REPRODUCIBLE demonstrate the camera fixed firmly to one place (e.g. on a tripod) to start servo mode with totally fixed stationary subject, you have ground to say the camera has errors. I more suspect here user error than camera error.
Canon can either fix this or provide a workaround (manual switching
between focus modes). The Nikon upgrade has an auto focus
improvement. Why can Canon not come out with one? Lots of people
complain about AF inaccuracy with wide angle lenses (different
lenses, Canon and others). I'm sure this could be addressed in a
firmware update. The better P&S cameras do not seem to have such AF
problems at the wide angle.
A lot of noise I admit, but very rarely anything you can say for sure is camera generic error. If your AF is totally out of the spec, then you need to get your camera calibrated to function correctly. I have seen much more reports of no AF problems than those of AF problems (including those from myself), so I assume the camera to work generally OK, but there are sure some problem units.

What comes to Nikon "AF fix", I have understood it is more to improve (speed up?) the continuous tracking. I do not know is this falls into cathegory of error fix or performance improvement.

The fact (???) that some P&S perform better is not a proof that Canon has an error needing to be corrected in 300D.
People have also complained a lot about the flash exposure being
incorrect. I'm not saying Canon should add FEC. I'm saying they
should bring out some fix for the flash exposure problem. I don't
care what that fix is as long as it works. The better P&S camera's
have a flash system that works better.
The questionactually is, that are the flash shots radically wrong or if this is more a questions that they to dot match someones personal taste. I have seen newer an example where a flash shot is either more or less completely burned out or (almost) totally black.

Here again, the fact (???) that some P&S perform better is not a proof that Canon has an error needing to be corrected in 300D.
People have also complained about blurred tripod pictures with long
lenses, with exposures under one second. A good P&S camera does not
have this problem. I'm not saying "Canon must enable MLU". I'm only
saying the camera has a bug and it needs to be fixed. I don't care
whether the fix is called MLU or something else.
MLU is not in the spec of 300D, so that's that. P&S'es do not have mirror, SLR does. So you can expect when you buy the camera the "mirror slam" to have some effect.
Many people (including me) who bought the DR used a P&S camera
before, without the AF, flash and blur problems we see in the DR.
Us plain consumers consider the DR to have bugs that need to be
fixed.
So did I, and have had no problem with my 300D nor with my current 350D either. Quite many times I have seen there is a significant learning curve
I'm not asking for a new engine. I'm asking for bug fixes and I
don't care how the bugs are fixed, as long as they are. I have
got a bit of experience after one year with the DR, so I do know
about the AF modes (which the DR doesn't have but doesn't work
properly without) and I do know about FEC (which the DR doesn't
have but which would offer a manual solution for the flash bug) and
I do know about MLU (which the DR doesn't have but appears to need
to avoid blur). But as a consumer I'm not telling Canon how to
solve the bugs. I'm just asking that they do, because a good P&S
camera does not appear to have these bugs.
As far as I see, your "errors" are not anything that can be considered to be "out of specification" i.e. any real error Canon must correct. If the unit is falty, like it has serious AF or flash exposure error, it must be sent to service - no FW update can help these cases.
 
As a D70 owner, I do notice an improvement in dynamic focus
tracking after the fw upgrade ( I get a lot more hits instead
of misses now ).... and unlike the, 300D there are
no locked features left to be unlocked.....
 
My 2€

Would you like Canon to e.g. give you something minor like MLU (or something other minor like in Nikon new FW) and simultaneously prevent the use of Wasia or Undutchables. It'd more or less sure the new FW would not be compatible with the hacks you have now.
I don’t think Canon will ever gif us anything like Wasia and
Undutchables 0.2.3
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Are you kidding?
Even with your investment in EF-mount lenses?

Even the OP doesn't seem angry enough to sell his Rebel and buy a
D70. For how much Canon is apparently "abandoning" their loyal
customers, they sure don't seem to be losing any of them.
 
I want those features wich are blocked from the DR engine...not those on the Nikon FW...
Would you like Canon to e.g. give you something minor like MLU (or
something other minor like in Nikon new FW) and simultaneously
prevent the use of Wasia or Undutchables. It'd more or less sure
the new FW would not be compatible with the hacks you have now.
I don’t think Canon will ever gif us anything like Wasia and
Undutchables 0.2.3
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Best Regards
Gisli Kristinsson
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Nice world...'FROZEN'-it !!! (with digital).
828, U60 and DR...soon an 20D-er
 
MLU is from the Mirror Lock Up...and are preaty helpfull for long terms exposers..
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Nice world...'FROZEN'-it !!! (with digital).
828, U60 and DR...soon an 20D-er
 
read carefully what we discuss here...
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Nice world...'FROZEN'-it !!! (with digital).
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And the dSLR manufacturers provide you better lenses, flashes, etc. And you can get speedier CFs and spare batteries, .... All less than the cost of a new camera.
Earlier on in the forum I noticed the car analogy - expecting a car
manufacturer to unleash the whole power of the engine. Well,
actually, very few car manufactureres do that. Most car performance
can be improved by a new muffler(exhaust) system & a new controller
chip. These 2 "minor" upgrades on my previous car would have cost
about $3000 on a $65,000 car & bumped up the HP from 240 HP to 330
HP. So don't ***** about the DReb not being "fully-featured" -
welcome to real life!

Linda
 
it's all about the gesture dude, all about the gesture. The 300D
fiasco will leave a sour taste in a lot of ppls mouths for a
long tiime to come still and Canon really shot themselves
in the foot on that one imo ( to think some dude in Russia
had to crack the 300D is beyond laughable ) Canon should up
the ante right NOW and make all those LOCKED features available
to 300D owners right NOW if they care anything about their
customer base.
I don't agree with the idea that Canon shot themselves in the foot - they delivered a breakthrough dSLR in terms of price and performance with the DR. In order to segment the market, they needed to differentiate it from the D series or else they risked losing sales of the D10/D20; the best way to do this is to have the consumer model be less capable by leaving out features most DR purchasers would not miss. (It's no dofferent than Intel's disabling the FPU and selling chips for less - and that certainly didn't hurt them in the long run). Their goal is to maximize the profit from both lines, and differentiation is one way to do that.

While I doubt it, there could also be a technical reason for not enabling some features - for example, MLU. Maybe the mirror mechanism fails early if it is used excessively - so by not including the feature Canon extended the life of the camera.

More likely, most DR buyers will never miss the "missing" features. I'd wouldn't be surprised if a significant percentage never d/l the firmware update, or even takes the camera out of the green zone (or green box, for that matter). Personally, I think most people who want the added features probably already have the hack installed - so an officla Canon release would add no value for them yet leave Canon with a big downside.

At thgis point, many Drs are out of warranty and offering a firmware update runs the risk of people screwing it up and demanding Canon fix it - which costs money and upsets their customers; so not releasing one is less of a risk for them.
 
10D wich was first aimed by blocking those features on the DR, was no longer in stores....the DR now stop manufacturing...and are a lots of long warranty customers...on the other hand same thing with Nikon...
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Nice world...'FROZEN'-it !!! (with digital).
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I do know what MLU is. My point was to say there are some items Nikon could most probably enable in FW is they would like to do so.
MLU is from the Mirror Lock Up...and are preaty helpfull for long
terms exposers..
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Nice world...'FROZEN'-it !!! (with digital).
828, U60 and DR...soon an 20D-er
 
But do you want e.g. the MLU alone if the hacks are disabled at the same time?

My reference to Nikon was just to say that you want Canon to give you all because Nikon gives something to their customers. Not too fare from you part. I also want Peugeot to switch my 8 years old 406 GW to brand new 407 GW, but I guess they will not.
Would you like Canon to e.g. give you something minor like MLU (or
something other minor like in Nikon new FW) and simultaneously
prevent the use of Wasia or Undutchables. It'd more or less sure
the new FW would not be compatible with the hacks you have now.
 
there is no way of enabling mlu on the d70 because
of hardware considerations, this was debated at length
in the d70 forum
 
it's all about the gesture dude, all about the gesture. The 300D
fiasco will leave a sour taste in a lot of ppls mouths for a
long tiime to come still and Canon really shot themselves
in the foot on that one imo ( to think some dude in Russia
had to crack the 300D is beyond laughable ) Canon should up
the ante right NOW and make all those LOCKED features available
to 300D owners right NOW if they care anything about their
customer base.
I don't agree with the idea that Canon shot themselves in the foot
  • they delivered a breakthrough dSLR in terms of price and
I definitely agree on that. What I meant to say is they
shot themselves on the foot in a pr sort of way because
it later became known that lots of features were locked up
intentionally ( kinda like showing a kid a candy and telling
him not to eat it - not good for building relations let me tell
you ). Either they should have hidden those features better
or never have them integrated in the camera to begin
with. Now that this has all come to light what better way
to redeem themselves and offer all those goodies in a fw
upgrade and in the same time match Nikon and its recent
nice gesture towards its customers.
 

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