netswap
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Finally, lets see what Jeff has to say ...
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/casio/exilim_z750-review/index.shtml
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/casio/exilim_z750-review/index.shtml
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dcresource.com Review - Casio Exilim EX-Z750
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Andrew Butterfield
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He moans about a few things, but they are not important. On the whole, this camera seems to be living up to our expectations.
I can't see the point of complaining about the small amount of memory built in to the camera. Most cameras come with a 32MB card that immediately goes into a drawer when you buy a proper one. Now that's pointless.
He also comments too much about over-saturated and over-sharpened images. Since these can easily be fixed, wouldn't he be better praising Casio for letting users adjust these settings to their own tastes?
Anyway, it's another good review under the Z750's belt. Could this be the best Casio camera ever?
I think I want one!
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I can't see the point of complaining about the small amount of memory built in to the camera. Most cameras come with a 32MB card that immediately goes into a drawer when you buy a proper one. Now that's pointless.
He also comments too much about over-saturated and over-sharpened images. Since these can easily be fixed, wouldn't he be better praising Casio for letting users adjust these settings to their own tastes?
Anyway, it's another good review under the Z750's belt. Could this be the best Casio camera ever?
I think I want one!
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jimr
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Look at the EX Finder Screen that he claims the EX Z 750 has (right under using the Z 750).
What????
Has anyone seen it on their Z750 ?????? I haven't. It is not in the instruction book?
From the http://www.dcresource.com conclusion;
"The EX-Z750 has plenty of features to talk about as well. It has tons (and I mean tons) of scene modes that even extend to movie mode. If you want manual controls, they're all here, though I don't like the limited aperture choices".
He gives short shrift to shutter priority....to the point that if you don't read carefully, you'd never know it has that important plus. He doesn't note that the camera has many more aperture settings in shutter priority.
He fails to mention that the Canon SD 500 (while praising it) has NO way of giving you a high speed shutter bias. No high speed program. No shutter priority....He isn't critical of something crucial that you cannot do anything about in the Canon, while repeatedly mentioning the Casio's 'oversaturated' colors that you can do something about because the Casio has the very image parameter controls that the Canon does not have.
I happen to be a Fuji film user who prefers greater saturation. With the Casio each one of us can choose 5 levels of saturation to fit our subjective preferences. The wording is 'unbalanced' IMHO.
What????
Has anyone seen it on their Z750 ?????? I haven't. It is not in the instruction book?
From the http://www.dcresource.com conclusion;
"The EX-Z750 has plenty of features to talk about as well. It has tons (and I mean tons) of scene modes that even extend to movie mode. If you want manual controls, they're all here, though I don't like the limited aperture choices".
He gives short shrift to shutter priority....to the point that if you don't read carefully, you'd never know it has that important plus. He doesn't note that the camera has many more aperture settings in shutter priority.
He fails to mention that the Canon SD 500 (while praising it) has NO way of giving you a high speed shutter bias. No high speed program. No shutter priority....He isn't critical of something crucial that you cannot do anything about in the Canon, while repeatedly mentioning the Casio's 'oversaturated' colors that you can do something about because the Casio has the very image parameter controls that the Canon does not have.
I happen to be a Fuji film user who prefers greater saturation. With the Casio each one of us can choose 5 levels of saturation to fit our subjective preferences. The wording is 'unbalanced' IMHO.
Andrew Mitchell
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Been lurking for a while, but I'm a Mac guy, so this is not the camera for me.
Good luck if you get one!
Cheers
Andrew
Andrew (in Taipei, Taiwan)
C-21OOUZ, C-5O5O, S4OO, Minolta 800si, Ricoh GR1s ..and soon a D-SLR
Good luck if you get one!
Cheers
Andrew
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Andrew (in Taipei, Taiwan)
C-21OOUZ, C-5O5O, S4OO, Minolta 800si, Ricoh GR1s ..and soon a D-SLR
How is it the best Casio camera ever if the pictures don't live up to the p700? If you said it was the best sub-compact Casio ever, I'd say you're right. Since I'm looking for a camera that either has a 4x zoom or more lens and/or allows lens attachments the subcompact z750 won't be for me. Also, there are a number of subcompacts coming to the market, ie. Oly's, that will give the z750 a real run for its money, especially with interesting higher ISO performance.
Jonathan Statt
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Errr....I am not impressed with either this review or Steve's. They are rushed and full of errors!!
This review shows an ex finder screenshot when the Z750 doesn't have it. The EX button is for selecting ISO, WB etc.....there is no screenshot of this. The screenshot is an alternative viewfinder type display found on the "pro" Casio cameras.
Steve's review lists the wrong bestshot modes. He lists the ones in the Z57. Steve's review says there is an HTML album feature. There isn't. It is in the Z57
Steve's review has clearly just been copied and pasted from the Z57 without checking first.
Even Casio can't their own specs right. The UK site states an external flash socket. Under RGB histogram it says you can use colour filters to correct colour inbalances. You cannot because the filter menu is missing from this camera. If you use Bestman program you can create Bestshots for all the filter colours instead though.
Overall I think this camera is great. Moving from a Pentax S4i, it is a massive improvement. However I would like to see the preshot and coupling shot modes and the filter menu!
Jonathan
This review shows an ex finder screenshot when the Z750 doesn't have it. The EX button is for selecting ISO, WB etc.....there is no screenshot of this. The screenshot is an alternative viewfinder type display found on the "pro" Casio cameras.
Steve's review lists the wrong bestshot modes. He lists the ones in the Z57. Steve's review says there is an HTML album feature. There isn't. It is in the Z57
Steve's review has clearly just been copied and pasted from the Z57 without checking first.
Even Casio can't their own specs right. The UK site states an external flash socket. Under RGB histogram it says you can use colour filters to correct colour inbalances. You cannot because the filter menu is missing from this camera. If you use Bestman program you can create Bestshots for all the filter colours instead though.
Overall I think this camera is great. Moving from a Pentax S4i, it is a massive improvement. However I would like to see the preshot and coupling shot modes and the filter menu!
Jonathan
I can't disagree with the review much. After a few days of using the Z750 my summary is the same as his: Tons of features, good photo quality if you turn down saturation to -1.
He preferred -1 on sharpness, I preferred -1 on contrast.
The Canon SD500 has slightly better image quality under ideal conditions but lacks too many features.
He preferred -1 on sharpness, I preferred -1 on contrast.
The Canon SD500 has slightly better image quality under ideal conditions but lacks too many features.
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I wonder if he actually even used the flash... If Casio overhyped the flash spec, would he suddenly praise it? I haven't even received the camera yet, yet I am well aware of flash assist mode and how much depth it can extend to with the meek flash.
jimr
Veteran Member
Nope. He actually shows the EX screen that appears in the P700, in the review! It does not appear in the Z 750 at all. A factual error that I cannot understand. Look at the review...you'll see a picture of the P700s EX screen.
jimr
Veteran Member
What I don't understrand is that the preferred settings for him and others can be brought up easily given the Casios image parameter choices...yet he harps on it again and again..an easily in camera solvable 'issue', yet he ignores the SD 500s lack of any high speed shutter choice...something that has no workaround at all. Again..I'd have wonderful blurry photos of my grandchildren playing (using the SD 500) with no possible remedy at all.
jimr
Veteran Member
The upcoming Olys with the high ISO settings restrict the resolution to lower resolutions. A definitive tradeoff.
This wasn't a complete review and I agree with others here that he left out many features or did he praise the good ones. We're not talking about the SD500, since no side by side comparison was done, as Phil does.
This can't be called a horrible review, just a terrible review!!
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This can't be called a horrible review, just a terrible review!!
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Bart Hickman
Veteran Member
I learned something new and important with this review. The anti-shake bestshot mode is essentially a low-light, no flash mode.
Casio is taking the raw 7.2Mp image and down-sampling to 2Mpixel but since you are taking the imformation from 4 pixels (3.7 actually), you can use that to effectively multiply the ISO by 3.7 while maintaining the same noise performance.
I just tried it and took a photo literally as though I had ISO1480, and sure enough the images look about 2 stops brighter for the same shutter speed as regular manual mode at ISO400 with no noise penalty. The price you pay is 1600x1200 resolution which is just fine for many situations. This might be similar to what Olympus is doing.
Looks like Casio's main disadvantage is the lack-luster naming (anti-shake) that their marketing department came up with. They sort of screwed up on flash-assist the same way (Nikon has the much catchier name "D-lighting").
Bart
Casio is taking the raw 7.2Mp image and down-sampling to 2Mpixel but since you are taking the imformation from 4 pixels (3.7 actually), you can use that to effectively multiply the ISO by 3.7 while maintaining the same noise performance.
I just tried it and took a photo literally as though I had ISO1480, and sure enough the images look about 2 stops brighter for the same shutter speed as regular manual mode at ISO400 with no noise penalty. The price you pay is 1600x1200 resolution which is just fine for many situations. This might be similar to what Olympus is doing.
Looks like Casio's main disadvantage is the lack-luster naming (anti-shake) that their marketing department came up with. They sort of screwed up on flash-assist the same way (Nikon has the much catchier name "D-lighting").
Bart
jimr
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I usually find the dcresource reviews well done...well researched and well balanced. This one was not well done and not well balanced. Even his sample images did not allow a good comparison with the sun's shadows falling so differently on the brick buliding with the clock..in the SD 500 vs. the Z 750..taking one in more contrastly light with the sun at one angle and the other with the sun at another angle.
jimr
Veteran Member
Bart...good point. I am not here to 'protect' my decision...but Jeff has been a, deservedly, well respected reviewer. He just seems to have lost something in this evaluation. One moment he talks about the camera having great image quality when tweaked (in camera simple adjustments)..then totally misses the boat about the advantage of having shutter priority and all that adds ...including varying the ambient light to flash exposure ratio...while giving the Canon an almost free ride for not having a high shutter speed program..let alone lacking shutter priority.
From dcresource:
"Overall I'd rank the "straight of the camera" image quality as good. With a little tweaking it can be "great". The biggest problem I have with the photos are the Disneyland-like oversaturated colors. The colors are so vivid that they're totally unnatural. Thankfully this is easy to fix."
How many times does he talk about oversaturation that is easy to fix in camera while ignoring shutter priority and all the image parameter options that the Casio has.
Here is the line from the CanonSD 500 review about a lack of high shutter speed choices;
" Too bad there's no way to force a fast shutter speed for action shots."
"Point-and-shoot lovers will be pleased with the selection of scene modes on thee camera, but again, where's the action mode?"
A major minus without a workaround and that's the mention.
Meanwhile the Casio's oversaturation that can be adjusted in camera gets mentioned again and again.. and its high speed program, LCD display of each modes bias and shutter priority from 60 seconds to 1/1,600 second hardly appears in the review! He talks about the flash range then in passing mentions the Flash Assist and its slight (a bit is the term he uses about the noise increase) boost in noise. Well, how far does that slight boost in noise help the flash range? Tested? Reported?
Balance??? Nope.
From dcresource:
"Overall I'd rank the "straight of the camera" image quality as good. With a little tweaking it can be "great". The biggest problem I have with the photos are the Disneyland-like oversaturated colors. The colors are so vivid that they're totally unnatural. Thankfully this is easy to fix."
How many times does he talk about oversaturation that is easy to fix in camera while ignoring shutter priority and all the image parameter options that the Casio has.
Here is the line from the CanonSD 500 review about a lack of high shutter speed choices;
" Too bad there's no way to force a fast shutter speed for action shots."
"Point-and-shoot lovers will be pleased with the selection of scene modes on thee camera, but again, where's the action mode?"
A major minus without a workaround and that's the mention.
Meanwhile the Casio's oversaturation that can be adjusted in camera gets mentioned again and again.. and its high speed program, LCD display of each modes bias and shutter priority from 60 seconds to 1/1,600 second hardly appears in the review! He talks about the flash range then in passing mentions the Flash Assist and its slight (a bit is the term he uses about the noise increase) boost in noise. Well, how far does that slight boost in noise help the flash range? Tested? Reported?
Balance??? Nope.
No kidding. I though Nikon's D-Lighting was such a new idea, and I thought Olympus' upcoming low light/low resolution system was new too.
Little did I know that I already had those in the Casio.
Now if I could only get ahold of some comparable samples of Canon SD500 vs Casio Z750 (with Saturation -1 and Contrast -1) I could live happy and not even think about trading it in for another camera.
Little did I know that I already had those in the Casio.
Now if I could only get ahold of some comparable samples of Canon SD500 vs Casio Z750 (with Saturation -1 and Contrast -1) I could live happy and not even think about trading it in for another camera.
jimr:
Sorry I couldn't find any posts from you in the Canon forum so I have to bring it up here. I'm happy with the Casio Z750 but have a hard time getting over the fact that the Canon SD500 likely takes better quality photos in good conditions even compared to the Casio with toned down saturation. The Canon shots look fairly more realistic to me, but that's comparing photos without the Casio saturation reduced. Another user, Bart?, mentioned he couldn't eliminate the Casio's grainy look with any settings.
You clearly had bad experiences with the SD500 when taking photos of moving kids. This is one of the main reasons I want a new compact camera. Can you elaborate on just how bad the SD500 was compared to the Z750 in this regard? Enough to end my urge to get an SD500 instead?
Why couldn't they make a compact with:
Canon SD500 response and image quality, Casio features, Fuji F10 sensor for low light/resolution/battery, Olympus/Epson's high resolution LCD, and maybe Nikon 7900's body shape with grip? I know, I'm dreaming.
Sorry I couldn't find any posts from you in the Canon forum so I have to bring it up here. I'm happy with the Casio Z750 but have a hard time getting over the fact that the Canon SD500 likely takes better quality photos in good conditions even compared to the Casio with toned down saturation. The Canon shots look fairly more realistic to me, but that's comparing photos without the Casio saturation reduced. Another user, Bart?, mentioned he couldn't eliminate the Casio's grainy look with any settings.
You clearly had bad experiences with the SD500 when taking photos of moving kids. This is one of the main reasons I want a new compact camera. Can you elaborate on just how bad the SD500 was compared to the Z750 in this regard? Enough to end my urge to get an SD500 instead?
Why couldn't they make a compact with:
Canon SD500 response and image quality, Casio features, Fuji F10 sensor for low light/resolution/battery, Olympus/Epson's high resolution LCD, and maybe Nikon 7900's body shape with grip? I know, I'm dreaming.
Bart Hickman
Veteran Member
I agree with your assessment. I was just grooving on what is, to me, a new and very useful bestshot mode. Wooohooo! 
I also know, from actual measurements on my camera, that the default sharpness setting on the z750 is more true-to-life than any of the other cameras--and it maintains it over almost all conditions I've tested. I thought it was interesting that he thought otherwise. I'm going to do some measurements on his Mickey shot tonight to see if it really is over-sharpened.
Bart
I also know, from actual measurements on my camera, that the default sharpness setting on the z750 is more true-to-life than any of the other cameras--and it maintains it over almost all conditions I've tested. I thought it was interesting that he thought otherwise. I'm going to do some measurements on his Mickey shot tonight to see if it really is over-sharpened.
Bart
Bart Hickman
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Did anybody notice in the Mickey macro shot that even though both cameras are supposedly set for F5.0, the depth of field in the SD500 is noticeably shorter than in the z750. Notice how Mickey's nose and fist are blurry in the SD500 image, but they are nearly in focus in the z750 image.
So this is another advantage of the z750 that isn't mentioned anywhere and that is that it actually has two different apertures. The small aperture tends to get used more in bright shooting conditions, so the z750 will have a DOF advantage in such conditions.
Bart
So this is another advantage of the z750 that isn't mentioned anywhere and that is that it actually has two different apertures. The small aperture tends to get used more in bright shooting conditions, so the z750 will have a DOF advantage in such conditions.
Bart
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