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Hi all,

I've got the 785 exp and have to say that it is a great printer. I printed some shots right from my Camera's CF card and had the photoenhance (PIM) on. The prints were, to say the least phenomonal.

When I printed same shot from the PC, it came out ok, but a bit washed out (I'm guessing that PIM was not active). I know I can do some photo editing/retouching, but I'm not that good at it and the images usually come out worse than my not touching them.

Is there a way of activating PIM via the printer driver?

Thanks

Craig
 
Craig said:
Hi all,

I've got the 785 exp and have to say that it is a great printer. I
printed some shots right from my Camera's CF card and had the
photoenhance (PIM) on. The prints were, to say the least phenomonal.

When I printed same shot from the PC, it came out ok, but a bit
washed out (I'm guessing that PIM was not active). I know I can do
some photo editing/retouching, but I'm not that good at it and the
images usually come out worse than my not touching them.

Is there a way of activating PIM via the printer driver?

Thanks

Craig
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First of all, is your camera equipped with the PIM technology? If not, the feature is essentially useless to you at this time. FYI, Photoenhance is not PIM.
 
Terry Thorn said:
First of all, is your camera equipped with the PIM technology? If
not, the feature is essentially useless to you at this time. FYI,
Photoenhance is not PIM.
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Yep, my camera (Casio QV 3500 ex) has PIM, and according to the Epson manual (pages 2, 9, 18 & 29 the only places in the manual PIM is mentioned). Photoenhance is PIM. But currently only works when printing directly from the Printer.

Do you know when the new driver that supports PIM will be available?
 
The new PIM enabled drivers for the 890 is now available from Epson site. PIM is only available if the digital camera supports it .PhotoEnhance4 is not PIM..
Craig said:
Terry Thorn said:
First of all, is your camera equipped with the PIM technology? If
not, the feature is essentially useless to you at this time. FYI,
Photoenhance is not PIM.
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Yep, my camera (Casio QV 3500 ex) has PIM, and according to the
Epson manual (pages 2, 9, 18 & 29 the only places in the manual PIM
is mentioned). Photoenhance is PIM. But currently only works when
printing directly from the Printer.

Do you know when the new driver that supports PIM will be available?
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tommy said:
Craig said:
Terry Thorn said:
First of all, is your camera equipped with the PIM technology? If
not, the feature is essentially useless to you at this time. FYI,
Photoenhance is not PIM.
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Yep, my camera (Casio QV 3500 ex) has PIM, and according to the
Epson manual (pages 2, 9, 18 & 29 the only places in the manual PIM
is mentioned). Photoenhance is PIM. But currently only works when
printing directly from the Printer.

Do you know when the new driver that supports PIM will be available?
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I believe I read somewhere that the Digital Camera Correction button actually enabled the PIM and that option is only available if you use Photoenhance4.
 
My thoughts:

Love the 785epx. Prints are superb. I use photoshop to tweak photos, then print out everything via PageMaker or whatever. Had lots of PIM questions. Basically, I was totally disturbed by lack of documentation on this technology. Then I finally learned that "Photoenhance" when set on the printer itself IS PIM, but not Photoenhance when selected when printing from the computer!!!!!!!?????????? Then it also has a Photoenhance 4 selection. So, anyway what does this all mean. I forget about PIM, because it is so limited (bascially all you can do is print from printer) and find the best output options with my driver. My experience up to now with this printer, is that "photoenchance" setting in print options in your software is the best.

Also I wrote to Epson and here is response:
PIM Response from Epson 7/25/01
Print Image Matching uses the jpeg header to store information that is
normally not included in graphic files. It encodes a much greater amount
of information than normally would be included in the file itself in order
to guarantee more accurate output.

Because the devices in the chain that lead from Camera to Printer vary in
how they view colors, many shifts and lost information can occur. SRGB
color space is very small. The EPSON Stylus Photo series of printers can
print a wider range of color, and the colors that the naked eye can see are
even more various than that. Most computers and devices use the sRGB color
model. This limits the color range. PIM allows you to skip any
translation or adjustments made between the input of your camera and the
output of your printer.

You can't, however, edit the image once it is brought into a file, or the
PIM header that encodes the color information will be lost.

The information we have available for customers is somewhat limited right
now. Try the following links for more information on this technology.

http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.021201/210430146.htm
http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/07/78-en.htm
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0104/01041702epson785epx.asp
 
So, if I understand this correctly, when you use a camera and printer that both share the PIM technology, this can only work if you do NOT edit any images....because if you do that, you change the jpeg data that stores this info?? In other words, if you use Photoshop or any other program to edit your images, PIM is then disabled? If this is the case I don't think PIM is much good. How many people print directly from card to printer without doing ANY editing? And it's usually that edited, "fixed up" image that you want to print correctly! I hope that I'm wrong about this. Can anyone confirm? K.
Scott said:
My thoughts:

Love the 785epx. Prints are superb. I use photoshop to tweak
photos, then print out everything via PageMaker or whatever. Had
lots of PIM questions. Basically, I was totally disturbed by lack
of documentation on this technology. Then I finally learned that
"Photoenhance" when set on the printer itself IS PIM, but not
Photoenhance when selected when printing from the
computer!!!!!!!?????????? Then it also has a Photoenhance 4
selection. So, anyway what does this all mean. I forget about
PIM, because it is so limited (bascially all you can do is print
from printer) and find the best output options with my driver. My
experience up to now with this printer, is that "photoenchance"
setting in print options in your software is the best.

Also I wrote to Epson and here is response:
PIM Response from Epson 7/25/01
Print Image Matching uses the jpeg header to store information that is
normally not included in graphic files. It encodes a much greater
amount
of information than normally would be included in the file itself
in order
to guarantee more accurate output.

Because the devices in the chain that lead from Camera to Printer
vary in
how they view colors, many shifts and lost information can occur. SRGB
color space is very small. The EPSON Stylus Photo series of
printers can
print a wider range of color, and the colors that the naked eye can
see are
even more various than that. Most computers and devices use the
sRGB color
model. This limits the color range. PIM allows you to skip any
translation or adjustments made between the input of your camera
and the
output of your printer.

You can't, however, edit the image once it is brought into a file,
or the
PIM header that encodes the color information will be lost.

The information we have available for customers is somewhat limited
right
now. Try the following links for more information on this technology.

http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.021201/210430146.htm
http://www.digitalkamera.de/Info/News/07/78-en.htm
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0104/01041702epson785epx.asp
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Dear Koo,

That is where it stands. That's How frustrating it all is. THERE IS NO MORE INFO BEING MADE TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS at this point. As far as I'm concerned, PIM is a bad joke. That is why I choose to forget about it. Not until photoshop allows PIM to remain intact, as well as be tweaked, will PIM be worth anything. Other programs as well.
 
Yes I agree...unfortunately now it all sounds like a huge marketing hype. I'll wait and see. K.
Scott said:
Dear Koo,

That is where it stands. That's How frustrating it all is. THERE IS
NO MORE INFO BEING MADE TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS at this point. As
far as I'm concerned, PIM is a bad joke. That is why I choose to
forget about it. Not until photoshop allows PIM to remain intact,
as well as be tweaked, will PIM be worth anything. Other programs
as well.
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As I said in earlier post only works if your camera supports it. I have tried three Fuji models 4900x 6900z and the S1PRO none has PIM unless I have missed a setting in the camera to enable it.I did download a picture from a website from the Nikon 995 and that worked . I would have been nice if Epson had a list of cameras that had this feature. My Epson 890 has the new PIM enabled drivers download able from Epson's download page with photo quiken3. Released two days ago so nothing in the printer manual about it. On the pic I downloaded from a Nikon 995 it did make a small differance more natural looking colours on the final print. I will do a test and see if a modified pic will still have PIM enabled..
koo22 said:
Scott said:
Dear Koo,

That is where it stands. That's How frustrating it all is. THERE IS
NO MORE INFO BEING MADE TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS at this point. As
far as I'm concerned, PIM is a bad joke. That is why I choose to
forget about it. Not until photoshop allows PIM to remain intact,
as well as be tweaked, will PIM be worth anything. Other programs
as well.
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Where is this on the Epson USA website? I couldn't find it anywhere. K.
tommy said:
koo22 said:
Scott said:
Dear Koo,

That is where it stands. That's How frustrating it all is. THERE IS
NO MORE INFO BEING MADE TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS at this point. As
far as I'm concerned, PIM is a bad joke. That is why I choose to
forget about it. Not until photoshop allows PIM to remain intact,
as well as be tweaked, will PIM be worth anything. Other programs
as well.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
tommy said:
As I said in earlier post only works if your camera supports it. I
have tried three Fuji models 4900x 6900z and the S1PRO none has
PIM unless I have missed a setting in the camera to enable it.I did
download a picture from a website from the Nikon 995 and that
worked . I would have been nice if Epson had a list of cameras that
had this feature. My Epson 890 has the new PIM enabled drivers
download able from Epson's download page with photo quiken3.
Released two days ago so nothing in the printer manual about it. On
the pic I downloaded from a Nikon 995 it did make a small
differance more natural looking colours on the final print. I will
do a test and see if a modified pic will still have PIM enabled..
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My Casio QV-3500 ex is PIM enabled and I do notice a difference in shots prited with PIM (right from Card) and those printed via the PC.

Craig
 
They are not on the USA website. Anyone know why not? If you got them from the UK website, if you're in the UK I guess that's fine. But it says the driver is for the 895....is that the same as the 890? I thought I read somewhere that the 895 in Europe is the same as the 780 here. I don't think the drivers on the UK website will work on our printers here. Does anyone know for sure? K.
tommy said:
I got the drivers from the U.K website
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