Nikon really trying to please us or just accepting the inevitable?

cfcheshire · May 9, 2005

I wonder are nikon giving us the new D70s firmware out of thanks for our loyalty or just because it would be easy to adapt the d70s firmware to suit the D70 anyway. If some smart a%$£ was only gonna do it anyway why not release it freely and make us all think they had our best interests at heart. PLus throw their decrypted raw update in too. Or am I just being Cynical??
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Thomas Comerford · May 9, 2005

cfcheshire said:
I wonder are nikon giving us the new D70s firmware out of thanks
for our loyalty or just because it would be easy to adapt the d70s
firmware to suit the D70 anyway.

Probably a bit of both. IMHO, Nikon are quite generous when it comes to firmware updates. Last year they released a firmware update for the Nikon 5400 which added RAW functionality to it.

tc333 · May 9, 2005

Ypou are getting a free upgrade that will give you slightly better features so why not just shut up and be happy?

cfcheshire said:
I wonder are nikon giving us the new D70s firmware out of thanks
for our loyalty or just because it would be easy to adapt the d70s
firmware to suit the D70 anyway. If some smart a%$£ was only gonna
do it anyway why not release it freely and make us all think they
had our best interests at heart. PLus throw their decrypted raw
update in too. Or am I just being Cynical??
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cfcheshire · May 9, 2005

tc333 said:
Ypou are getting a free upgrade that will give you slightly better
features so why not just shut up and be happy?

I am happy and I'll shut up when I feel like it not when some prat decides its time for me to do so! Who died and made you the internet forum adjudicator you pillock!

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cfcheshire · May 9, 2005

Hi Thomas, yeah I guess they are better than some for updates. I also wonder if any of the cries for firmware updates from forums such as this actually reach Nikon and make any impact?
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Thomas Comerford · May 9, 2005

I also have a Fuji and the notion of them issuing a firmware update is almost unheard of.

It's hard to say how much stuff from these forums reaches Nikon. I was reading some of Thom Hogan's posts about the WB encryption issue, and it seems that Nikon is your typical ultra-conservative japanese company. Also, I understand that they have a very different corporate culture in Japan.... you can't just e-mail the CEO and tell him what you think he's doing wrong... everything is done through very elaborate protocol.

cfcheshire said:
Hi Thomas, yeah I guess they are better than some for updates. I
also wonder if any of the cries for firmware updates from forums
such as this actually reach Nikon and make any impact?
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tc333 · May 9, 2005

What a moron your proving to be!

cfcheshire said:
tc333 said:

Ypou are getting a free upgrade that will give you slightly better
features so why not just shut up and be happy?

Click to expand...

I am happy and I'll shut up when I feel like it not when some prat
decides its time for me to do so! Who died and made you the
internet forum adjudicator you pillock!

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cfcheshire · May 9, 2005

tc333 said:
What a moron your proving to be!

Whatever you prick

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TOF guy · May 9, 2005

It is not easy at all to hack the D70 firmware. Unless the D70s firmware works without modifications on the D70, there is little chance that anybody would be able to make the D70s firmware work on the D70.

The Canon Rebel 300D and the Nikon D70 run their firmware on very different architectures. So it is not because the Rebel firmware has been hacked that it is something that can happen with the D70.

Thierry

cfcheshire · May 9, 2005

TOF guy said:
It is not easy at all to hack the D70 firmware. Unless the D70s
firmware works without modifications on the D70, there is little
chance that anybody would be able to make the D70s firmware work on
the D70.

The Canon Rebel 300D and the Nikon D70 run their firmware on very
different architectures. So it is not because the Rebel firmware
has been hacked that it is something that can happen with the D70.

Thierry

Thats interesting, I don't really understand the processes involved in firmware but had been hoping someone would eventually release something like the 300d hacked one. I guess what your saying is its never gonna happen!! pity

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Thomas Comerford · May 9, 2005

cfcheshire said:
Thats interesting, I don't really understand the processes involved
in firmware but had been hoping someone would eventually release
something like the 300d hacked one. I guess what your saying is its
never gonna happen!! pity

With the 300D, I think Canon basically took the 10D firmware and put what's called an "unconditional jump" into the code so that various menu options wouldn't be available on the 300D. It's the software equivalent of blocking up a doorway in a house. It's much easier to unblock a doorway to a previously unknown room than it is to actually build a whole new room, if you know what I mean!

JR_Sprawls · May 9, 2005

Nikon is probably smart enough to figure out that firmware updates are a cost-effective way to build customer loyalty. Or maybe they really do think it's the right thing to do (as well as good business) to keep their products working well for their customers.

J.R.
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of Amarillo

John4 · May 9, 2005

From what I have seen on this forum, there are enough manufacturing problems with the D70 where they would have absolutely no motive to aggravate us further by cutting off firmware updates. Firmware updates build good will at almost no cost. I am sure it is in Nikon'sr interest to help us have confidence in them. There will be plenty of people who will jump to a mid-line 8 or 10 Mp DSLR when they introduce it. Having a firmware-updated D70 isn't going to cost them very many sales.

wailingtoad · May 9, 2005

I suspect the D70 and D70s are similar enough internally that Nikon wants to have one version of firmware for both models. It would be more expensive to maintain and support separate firmware for each model.

So, in this case, it is a win-win situation. Nikon wins because they get to cut costs they would have incurred and D70 users win because we get some additional functionality plus some fixes. Since the D70s will likely be around for a while, those of us with older D70 cameras will also likely benefit from future firmware upgrades.

Jon

tc333 · May 9, 2005

Grow up child

cfcheshire said:
tc333 said:

What a moron your proving to be!

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Whatever you prick
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DCuser · May 9, 2005

Nikon has a great history for keeping their cameras up to date. They issued two or three firmware updates of the CP5000, which added new functionality including RAW support, long after it was discontinued in production. The CP5000 is still my favorite walking around camera.
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R Parenteau · May 9, 2005

has a vested interest in its customer base. The happier they are the more they buy Nikon (all products).

Any corporation in todays world needs to develop and MAINTAIN its customer base.

Nikon is no different so by giving D70 owners the firmware update, helps Nikon maintain its customers. Happy customers stay.

Since the margin between the D70 and D70s is slight and not likely to attract current D70 owners, why not give em a tweak?

When the D80 (or whatever) comes out as a significant improvement in digital camera technology, it is likely that the first buyers will come from their satisfied customer base.

Sounds good doesnt it?

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DCuser · May 9, 2005

I feel they view the Camera body of their SLRs as a foundation for other components of the camera system. Unlike point and shoot cameras which are fundamentally stand alone systems, with a few exceptions, SLRs are platforms for lenses, controls, flash and other high value accessories. If you as a customer have little faith in the platform then over time you are less likely to buy add-ons to it.

Nikon's smart. They want loyal customers for a long time. Its how they built their film camera brand and I think you see it in their digital cams as well.

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chilipalmer · May 9, 2005

I used to have a Panasonic FZ10 and their idea of updating the firware was to release a new camera! :~

cfcheshire said:
I wonder are nikon giving us the new D70s firmware out of thanks
for our loyalty or just because it would be easy to adapt the d70s
firmware to suit the D70 anyway. If some smart a%$£ was only gonna
do it anyway why not release it freely and make us all think they
had our best interests at heart. PLus throw their decrypted raw
update in too. Or am I just being Cynical??
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Shutterbugin · May 9, 2005

Hey there - don't mind tc333. I have seen several similar responses from this guy...he is just either harsh, rude, immature, or just a prick, or all of the above. We have already had a row or two ;-). Of course he will respond to this saying a bunch of nice things about me, but that is ok. What I say is just an accurate observation.

cfcheshire said:
tc333 said:

What a moron your proving to be!

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Whatever you prick
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