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Canon will likely introduce a model between the 20D and 1DmkII. It will probably be more robust body and maybe weather sealed with 8.2MP or maybe a model with a 10 or 12MP 1.6x sensor. It will be price at about $2500 to $3000 US.

After that a replacement to the 1DmkII in about 24 months that will be up-sensored at a min. of 12MP

As others have noted the MP race is going to slow down greatly now as that most any D-SLR offers if not real but perceived film or better quality resulting in folks hanging on to their cameras longer (other than equipment junkies) that models will stay in the loop longer with maybe only minor upgrades resulting in maybe added letters to the end of the names and makers concentrating on other aspects of digital photography.

Lets face it for the masses any cameras be they P&S or DSLR with about 4Mp or better makes images to suit well enough to forget about film. For working pros and serious amatuers any DSLR camera with sensors 4MP ( older models ) or more esp. 6MP or higher offers most of what is needed with only the smaller percentile desiring and willing to pay for much more MP.
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What Canon needs to do is produce a wide angle lens to match the pixel density of the cameras they are selling.

Quite ironic they have people searching the world over for old out-of-production Zeiss lenses to jerry-rig to the camera to give good wide angle results.
 
A non-Bayer (Foveon-like) sensor is not a panacea. These sensors have problems of their own, and Canon has lots of room to pack more pixels into Bayer-style sensors, especially if 1.3x (and eventually FF) sensors trickle down to less expensive bodies. There is no immediate need for a revolutionary change in sensor technology. I think it's entirely possibly Canon will never produce a Foveon-like sensor, just like they are unlikely to produce a SuperCCD-like design. They're on a path that works, and we could hit the limits of the lenses before we hit the limits of the silicon, which will make a revolutionary new sensor technology moot.
Beth said:
Does anyone see a Foveon-like sensor from Canon any time soon? I
expect to upgrade at least one more time and am anxious to wait
until the truly revolutionary upgrades arrive. Any thoughts? Anyone?

Beth

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Derekasaurus Rex said:
A non-Bayer (Foveon-like) sensor is not a panacea. These sensors
have problems of their own, and Canon has lots of room to pack more
pixels into Bayer-style sensors, especially if 1.3x (and eventually
FF) sensors trickle down to less expensive bodies. There is no
immediate need for a revolutionary change in sensor technology. I
think it's entirely possibly Canon will never produce a Foveon-like
sensor, just like they are unlikely to produce a SuperCCD-like
design. They're on a path that works, and we could hit the limits
of the lenses before we hit the limits of the silicon, which will
make a revolutionary new sensor technology moot.
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Trouble is, Canon is working on a full colour sensor. They have far more resources than Foveon and don't be surprised for a 2006 PMA announcement.
 
thx1138 said:
Trouble is, Canon is working on a full colour sensor. They have far
more resources than Foveon and don't be surprised for a 2006 PMA
announcement.
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Canon has lots of resources and may be working on all kinds of things. But they have spent a decade establishing a leadership position in DSLR's based on the quality of their excellent Bayer sensors. No company in their position would have any interest in introducing new technology just to make some technology geeks happy.
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There current tech is built as a superset of Bayer and is (per the patent) 2/3 color. You can get all of the green and half of the red/blue at each location. Personally, the potential for a big jump in micro contrast and a substantially weaker AA filter WHILE maintaining a low artifact image sounds like more than just a geekdom thing to me.

Steven
dnjake said:
Canon has lots of resources and may be working on all kinds of
things. But they have spent a decade establishing a leadership
position in DSLR's based on the quality of their excellent Bayer
sensors. No company in their position would have any interest in
introducing new technology just to make some technology geeks happy.
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silent_man said:
In case you didn't see, Nikon decided to stick with 4.1 for PJ use.
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Probably more like "Nikon didn't have a suitable sensor with more than 4.1 MP" ;-).

I love Nikon, but it seems to me that they're just WAY too slow to respond to the competition (and Canon, of course, always seems to be ahead of the competition with no need to do any responding at all).

The new D50 will probably be a big seller - and possibly the cheapest D-SLR on the market - and the D2x looks nice enough (but personally I'd gladly take a 1D Mk II and have some money left over for some L glass) but the D2Hs seems almost pointless... They ironed out the glitches on a camera that has already been out-of-date for some time! At least at $3500, to me it seems rather a joke. And the D70s should be decent enough (largely because it's really just a slightly tweaked D70, which is a perfectly fine camera) but it is at an inherent disadvantage in its market segment because it has fewer pixels than the Canon competition, and even the Olympus E-300.

As for what is next from Canon... Logic would say that the 1D Mk II, being the oldest current Canon D-SLR, is next up for replacement. Either that, or it will stay as-is for a while and Canon will wait until the much-rumored "all in one" merging of the 1D and 1Ds series (full-frame, high MP count, high speed, and relatively low price) before they introduce their next pro camera... Making the 20D next up to be replaced.

Either way, I do not see either one in imminent need of replacement - after all, the XT is the only member of the entire current Canon D-SLR lineup that has any direct competition at all! Pretty amazing...

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photovoyager
 
Canon usually rotates amateur and midrange cameras within 18 months and 1D series within 24 months. My guess is that things will slow down from now on - the digital era is at a mature stage.
 
dnjake said:
Canon has lots of resources and may be working on all kinds of
things. But they have spent a decade establishing a leadership
position in DSLR's based on the quality of their excellent Bayer
sensors. No company in their position would have any interest in
introducing new technology just to make some technology geeks happy.
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This is the silliest thing I've heard in a long time.
 
thx1138 said:
thx1138 said:
Canon has lots of resources and may be working on all kinds of
things. But they have spent a decade establishing a leadership
position in DSLR's based on the quality of their excellent Bayer
sensors. No company in their position would have any interest in
introducing new technology just to make some technology geeks
happy.
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This is the silliest thing I've heard in a long time.
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It's perfectly reasonable to question why Canon would bother with a Foveon-type sensor. Technical merits (and problems) aside, it's not clear that a non-Bayer sensor would sell enough additional cameras to justify the expense of getting it to market. Some people will always want more resolution, but a lot of people are quite happy with their lowly 8-16MP Bayer sensor.
 
Derivative of 1Ds MkII with three basic modes:

1. 16.7MP FF at 5FPS

2. 10MP 1.3x at 8.5 FPS

3. 4.2MP FF (i.e. 16.7MP/4) with really good raw image quality at ISO3200 and 6400

All for $5000

Hopefully Nikon will come up with a similar F6D and Minolta will introduce an 10MP, 6FPS, APS-C format 9D, just too keep Canon on their toes.

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I dreamed about the following camera somedays ago, as it would be perfect for my needs (considering cost of $2000):
  • 4.1 megapixels with Full Frame sensor.
  • 5 fps
  • Usable ISO up to 1600
  • No built-in grip
  • No built-in flash
  • Weather sealed
It's almost a mini 1D series aimed at poor photojournalists! :-)

Keep note that it would be perfect for travels and street photography. A little more resolution would not be bad, but it could certainly represent a price increase.
 
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