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Does the Nikon D70s seem kind of pointless?
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Not sure why you would see it as pointless... Its an evolutionary step in the D70 line. I'm assuming that production on the D70 has finished now and D70s production is in full swing.
To me it just goes to show how good a camera the D70 still is. A few tweeks here and there but no major changes and the D70s remains a very competative camera at the price. I know if I was buying a new camera today it would be a D70s. It's not a camera that existing D70 users will be upgrading to and was never intended as such.
To me it just goes to show how good a camera the D70 still is. A few tweeks here and there but no major changes and the D70s remains a very competative camera at the price. I know if I was buying a new camera today it would be a D70s. It's not a camera that existing D70 users will be upgrading to and was never intended as such.
Shutterbugin
Veteran Member
It is just you...the D70s is a minor tweak of a great camera, with improved auto-focus, larger lcd, and longer battery life just to name a couple. It does not make sense for D70 owners to worry about this new model, as new firmware is coming for D70, which will in fact bring it up to speed with the D70 (obviously not including the larger lcd).
There will be 10,000 threads like this over the next weeks, but let's just relax, and be happy with the bodies we have. Buy a pro lens, and see how much better your images become. I just bought the 70-200 vr, and I am amazed at the sharpness, color, and contrast this lens provides.
The D70 & D70s are incredible bodies, but it really is the lenses that count.
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ShutterBugin
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There will be 10,000 threads like this over the next weeks, but let's just relax, and be happy with the bodies we have. Buy a pro lens, and see how much better your images become. I just bought the 70-200 vr, and I am amazed at the sharpness, color, and contrast this lens provides.
The D70 & D70s are incredible bodies, but it really is the lenses that count.
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ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
Patrick H
Leading Member
of a very fine camera. This is completely consistent with the past of film cameras, now we seem to be nearing the end of major technology changes we shall see more of this from all of the main manufacturers. The question should be "where is the D200?" - the gap between the D70 ($1k), the D2H($3.5K) and the D2x ($5k) needs to be filled. Presumably a slightly upgraded CCM from the D70 with more features in a better (larger?) body. But it does need to be a definite upgrade for the D70 owner, unlike the D70s.
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KeenAmatuer
Senior Member
if u already have a D70 then of course it will be pointless (esp as Nikon are going to give D70 owners the software of the D70s).
But for those just coming into DSLR then its a great camera.
Nikon clearly see the D70 as their market leader. No...it is not a "pro"camera......but it gives pro quality.
Nikon belives the D70s can compete with the Canon "starter"cameras. 6.1MP is fine and i don't think 8mp will give substantially improved image quality.
Maybe Nikon have decided that software changes are better than an extra dial or two
But for those just coming into DSLR then its a great camera.
Nikon clearly see the D70 as their market leader. No...it is not a "pro"camera......but it gives pro quality.
Nikon belives the D70s can compete with the Canon "starter"cameras. 6.1MP is fine and i don't think 8mp will give substantially improved image quality.
Maybe Nikon have decided that software changes are better than an extra dial or two
Why would it be pointless? It's just an improvement in a camera which is currently in stores. If they do not change the camera for a while, people would start saying the model is xx years old and whining about why they do not change it. But then, when they change it someone has to say the changes are stupid. Better AF response is not silly at all to me. And I think that adding it to the current D70 through a software upgrade is great.
Plus, the hardware changes, as bigger LCD and wider flash are also nice for future buyers.
Best,
Dioni
Things should be as simple as possible, but not simpler (Albert Einstein)
Plus, the hardware changes, as bigger LCD and wider flash are also nice for future buyers.
Best,
Dioni
Things should be as simple as possible, but not simpler (Albert Einstein)
Antonio Rojilla
Senior Member
Nikon launched the F801 in 1988 as a semipro AF camera. Two years after this, in 1990, they launched the F601, an amateur AF camera. Since some technology is better with every new model, the AF system on the amateur F601 was slightly better than that on the semipro F801. So Nikon launched the F801s in 1991, just the same camera but with a better AF system (and some other minor upgrades).
Something similar happened to the F401 (Nikon launched a F401s two years after) and the F90 (F90s two years after again). There are several F4 versions: F4, F4e and F4s, the same camera with different power sources. And more recently, there is a new version for the D2H called D2Hs.
So as you can see, that final s in a Nikon model just mean one thing: same camera with some minor upgrades. The new D70s is still a D70, it's not the 20D competitor some measurbators were waiting for, it's not a D80, just the same D70. After all, the D70 it's a great camera and the Nikon's best seller (1.000.000 sold in a year?).
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Antonio Rojilla
Something similar happened to the F401 (Nikon launched a F401s two years after) and the F90 (F90s two years after again). There are several F4 versions: F4, F4e and F4s, the same camera with different power sources. And more recently, there is a new version for the D2H called D2Hs.
So as you can see, that final s in a Nikon model just mean one thing: same camera with some minor upgrades. The new D70s is still a D70, it's not the 20D competitor some measurbators were waiting for, it's not a D80, just the same D70. After all, the D70 it's a great camera and the Nikon's best seller (1.000.000 sold in a year?).
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Antonio Rojilla
min kim
Active member
im just thinking that instead of using precious resources to make minor tweeks to an awesome camera (esp since they are a much smaller company than Canon), they could have used the resources for the d100 replacement.
It doesnt matter to me personally when the d100 replacemnet comes out because it totally happy with my d70, but if there is significantly less noise at high iso's.... maybe.
I agree with previous poster, of focusing on pro glass... lens have better resale value too.
http://www.minkim.com
It doesnt matter to me personally when the d100 replacemnet comes out because it totally happy with my d70, but if there is significantly less noise at high iso's.... maybe.
I agree with previous poster, of focusing on pro glass... lens have better resale value too.
http://www.minkim.com
Shutterbugin
Veteran Member
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but a Nikon employee at Nikon school told me that the D70 WAS the replacement for the D100. Sure there is no vertical grip on D70, and a few other things, but overall, the D70 has some more powerful features. Such as - more advance matrix meter, more advanced imaging algorithms, and also a lower price. Many will disagree with this, but hey, that is what I heard from Nikon.
The D70 is an incredible camera. Couple this camera with good glass like the 70-200 vr, and WOW.
Thoos precious resources you speak of - well they would spend alot more of those resources to tool up the factory for a completely new model. They are trying to perfect an already great camera with the D70s.
Also - concerning noise at high ISO...try Noise Ninja.
ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
The D70 is an incredible camera. Couple this camera with good glass like the 70-200 vr, and WOW.
Thoos precious resources you speak of - well they would spend alot more of those resources to tool up the factory for a completely new model. They are trying to perfect an already great camera with the D70s.
Also - concerning noise at high ISO...try Noise Ninja.
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ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
JDT
Member
Nikon is a big company, I would doubt that every joe shmo working their gets development updates. Just my guess, it doesn't seem like a very reliable source.
Dave
Dave
DavidMillier
Forum Pro
Possibly, but for all it's good features the D70 is clearly a cheaper to manufacturer model than the D100. It is also only a marginal improvement in image quality.
All three of Nikon's lower end cameras seem similar now - and that means there is a very big gap to the D2x. Hopefully there will be a digital equivalent of the F100 i.e. a high quality pro class body and imager in a smaller compact body slotting in between the price points of the consumer bodies and the pro bodies.
All three of Nikon's lower end cameras seem similar now - and that means there is a very big gap to the D2x. Hopefully there will be a digital equivalent of the F100 i.e. a high quality pro class body and imager in a smaller compact body slotting in between the price points of the consumer bodies and the pro bodies.
The D70 is an incredible camera. Couple this camera with good glass
like the 70-200 vr, and WOW.
Thoos precious resources you speak of - well they would spend alot
more of those resources to tool up the factory for a completely new
model. They are trying to perfect an already great camera with the
D70s.
Also - concerning noise at high ISO...try Noise Ninja.
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ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
Shutterbugin
Veteran Member
Sorry, but Id rather listen to a Nikon employee of 25 years, a pro photographer, then listen to some of the Jo Schmo's here on this forum.
ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
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ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
min kim
Active member
How do you see the d2h/s fitting into things?
http://www.minkim.com
--All three of Nikon's lower end cameras seem similar now - and that
means there is a very big gap to the D2x. Hopefully there will be a
digital equivalent of the F100 i.e. a high quality pro class body
and imager in a smaller compact body slotting in between the price
points of the consumer bodies and the pro bodies.
The D70 is an incredible camera. Couple this camera with good glass
like the 70-200 vr, and WOW.
Thoos precious resources you speak of - well they would spend alot
more of those resources to tool up the factory for a completely new
model. They are trying to perfect an already great camera with the
D70s.
Also - concerning noise at high ISO...try Noise Ninja.
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ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
http://www.minkim.com
min kim
Active member
Thanks for the tip... looks promising. Just finished teh Rob's review
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-6454-6908
I will test when i get home.
The shadow noise on my d70 was quite annoying, im sure NN will help
http://www.minkim.com
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-6454-6908
I will test when i get home.
The shadow noise on my d70 was quite annoying, im sure NN will help
--The D70 is an incredible camera. Couple this camera with good glass
like the 70-200 vr, and WOW.
Thoos precious resources you speak of - well they would spend alot
more of those resources to tool up the factory for a completely new
model. They are trying to perfect an already great camera with the
D70s.
Also - concerning noise at high ISO...try Noise Ninja.
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ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
http://www.minkim.com
Shutterbugin
Veteran Member
Well, you have to buy the version with the most power (batch conversion, 16-bit processing), but to me, it is sooooo worth it.
I had a paying shoot recently, where I HAD to shoot ISO 1600 the whole time. I also had the 70-200 vr which helped ALOT (I could not have gotten half the shots I got without the VR).
Noise Ninja did an amazing job removing the noise from these low-light, high ISO images. I am extremely happy with it. You can buy it as a stand-alond application, or a plug-in to Photoshop CS.
ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
I had a paying shoot recently, where I HAD to shoot ISO 1600 the whole time. I also had the 70-200 vr which helped ALOT (I could not have gotten half the shots I got without the VR).
Noise Ninja did an amazing job removing the noise from these low-light, high ISO images. I am extremely happy with it. You can buy it as a stand-alond application, or a plug-in to Photoshop CS.
--http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-6454-6908
I will test when i get home.
The shadow noise on my d70 was quite annoying, im sure NN will help
--The D70 is an incredible camera. Couple this camera with good glass
like the 70-200 vr, and WOW.
Thoos precious resources you speak of - well they would spend alot
more of those resources to tool up the factory for a completely new
model. They are trying to perfect an already great camera with the
D70s.
Also - concerning noise at high ISO...try Noise Ninja.
--
ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
http://www.minkim.com
ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
DavidMillier
Forum Pro
It's a high speed/small file size press camera.
--All three of Nikon's lower end cameras seem similar now - and that
means there is a very big gap to the D2x. Hopefully there will be a
digital equivalent of the F100 i.e. a high quality pro class body
and imager in a smaller compact body slotting in between the price
points of the consumer bodies and the pro bodies.
The D70 is an incredible camera. Couple this camera with good glass
like the 70-200 vr, and WOW.
Thoos precious resources you speak of - well they would spend alot
more of those resources to tool up the factory for a completely new
model. They are trying to perfect an already great camera with the
D70s.
Also - concerning noise at high ISO...try Noise Ninja.
--
ShutterBugin
http://www.exposureproductions.smugmug.com
http://www.minkim.com
I disagree that the so called gap needs to be filled.
Why? If Nikon is selling it's higher end cameras to the 'pro's' and is selling a very quality lower end D70 and D70s and now the d50, well, I don't see the need.
Those of us that own say a D100 and would upgrade to a D200 for 1500 dollar or so are rare in numbers compared to the thousands that will buy the D50/D70s etc.
I think it's all about numbers, marketing and of course money.
We all have the itch or urge to upgrade but you have to step back and look at what you have.
Why? If Nikon is selling it's higher end cameras to the 'pro's' and is selling a very quality lower end D70 and D70s and now the d50, well, I don't see the need.
Those of us that own say a D100 and would upgrade to a D200 for 1500 dollar or so are rare in numbers compared to the thousands that will buy the D50/D70s etc.
I think it's all about numbers, marketing and of course money.
We all have the itch or urge to upgrade but you have to step back and look at what you have.
Antonio Rojilla
Senior Member
And what exactly tells you they are not spending resources on the D100 replacement? Yes, Nikon is a small company compared with Canon, and so they are slower releasing cameras, but when they do it, they use to do it right and I hope they will continue to do so because competition is good for all, even Canon's users. In the time Canon released 6 cameras (D10, D30, D60, 20D, 300D and 350D) Nikon released only 2 (D70 and D100), but you can get more or less the same and only the 20D is better. For me the only really missing Nikon camera is a D100 replacement with more than 6MP but not to compete with the Canon, just for those that can't afford a D2X. If you can't wait for the D200 buy a Canon 20D instead, there is nothing wrong in options and there is nothing good in brand loyalty.
Maybe the D70s is less noisy, who knows...
That's totally right. If I had $5000 I would spend them on a 200mm f2 or a 200-400 f4 instead of a D2X.
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min kim
Active member
For Nikon's sake.
Nikon needs to give the preception to photographers that they are in the front line of technoology, otherwise they will lose out to Canon.
This is a marketing issue that could potenitlaly lead to huge losses to Nikon.
As they say in marketing: Perception is everything.
http://www.minkim.com
Nikon needs to give the preception to photographers that they are in the front line of technoology, otherwise they will lose out to Canon.
This is a marketing issue that could potenitlaly lead to huge losses to Nikon.
As they say in marketing: Perception is everything.
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http://www.minkim.com
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