**Challenge 79 part 2 Dark Side Of The Moon**

One of the many good things about record players is that you can't easily skip
a piece of music that doesn't at first grab you and quite often the pieces of
music that mean the most are ones that take time to grow on you. I remember
when cds first came out and a mate of mine would listen once to a cd, program
in the tracks he liked in a particular order and never listen to the full
album again. he missed out on so many good songs that never had the chance to
show themselves.
I agree. But really, this is the least important aspect of the Zapping Culture - at least it doesn't have great impact on others (unless they are tring to listen at the same time). Zapping between people is where it gets nasty...
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Olaf

 
Most CDs in my collection contain 2-4 good songs and the rest are junk. There is only 1 artist that I like practically all the songs on the their CDs, and that’s Enya.

It great now-a-days when you can buy only one or two songs off a cd on the legal music download sites.
One of the many good things about record players is that you can't easily skip
a piece of music that doesn't at first grab you and quite often the pieces of
music that mean the most are ones that take time to grow on you. I remember
when cds first came out and a mate of mine would listen once to a cd, program
in the tracks he liked in a particular order and never listen to the full
album again. he missed out on so many good songs that never had the chance to
show themselves.
I agree. But really, this is the least important aspect of the
Zapping Culture - at least it doesn't have great impact on others
(unless they are tring to listen at the same time). Zapping between
people is where it gets nasty...
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Olaf

 
...CDs are too long. Back when an lp was around 40 minutes the artist had to be quite critical with their music and cull what they recorded to fit on an lp so only the best got to be used. Since the advent of cd and the possibility of putting 75 minutes of music on it has become 'product' more than it ever was and all kinds of dross are put on just to fill a disc. A full cd is the equivalent of an old double lp and top notch double lps that retain top quality songs throughout the whole set are as rare as hens teeth. Quantity has now overtaken quality and it sucks mainly.

Regards
Paul
 
The "steamroller" effect is one I've seen many times before on Internet forums and it's usually divisive and eventually destructive.

I can see it happening here and unfortunately, in the mini-challenges as well. In fact, it's been in place here for quite a while now, silently and slowly destroying the atmosphere and the fun. Don Ellis is the only one to have spoken up and said why he is leaving. Other long-time challenge regulars have dropped out quietly in the past couple of months....too many of them, and all of them went without notice.

So, what is the "steamroller" effect? In this case, it's the effect that one person who is a relative newcomer, has had by expecting everyone to conform to his tastes, adhere to his critiques and be amused by his humour. Rod doesn't like frames, signatures or any original presentations. For a while, I conformed by not posting my photos in my usual manner. Then one evening I was editing a potential challenge entry and I thought "Why am I doing it THIS way? This is NOT how I like to present my photos!" So I reverted back to my usual way. Why? Because I like them that way....the white border and drop shadow give my photos separation from the grey background and that is how I prefer to present them.

The galleries are not what they used to be. Once upon a time we had photos presented with original, colourful, silly and stylish frames....or no frames at all. It was fun to see the efforts and it was part of the learning process to do away with fancy frames and move on to a simple border or nothing at all. No one needed it rammed down their throats time and time again. And everyone presented their photos the way THEY wanted them to be seen. Rod says everyone is free to post their photos with frames if that's the way they want to, but he is also free to comment on them. True....and he does comment, over and over and over again. The "steamroller" effect at work.

And so it goes on with other "transgressions". The continual steamrolling because photos don't conform to one persons taste.

The "humour" is un-funny. Being told I took a good photo "for a sheila" is eventually insulting. If I grow a two inch appendage will it improve my photography? Seeing other peoples shots ridiculed as being "girly" shots is insulting to everyone. Being a female in a male-dominated job, I have to deal with this on a daily basis at work (although not from my male colleagues). In the interests of staying in a job I like and am good at, I grin and bear it. In my leisure time, I don't have to. The men in my life.....my husband, sons, workmates, male friends (both online and in person) treat women with respect and as an equal. Those who don't, or don't see the need to, have no place in my life. To the men in my life, I am no-ones "sheila", I am very definitely my own woman. And yes, being called a "sheila" is most definitely disrespectful. I've never had one of the Americans here call me a "chick".

One of Dons statements put my thoughts into words very eloquently. "I find the big things in life are fairly easy to take in stride -- you survive them or you don't. It's the petty things that whittle away your spirit and dampen your enthusiasm. We all have many things that we can be doing with our lives and we all make decisions on which are worth our time."

Yes, it's petty, it's whittling away at my spirit....and this week I've used up far too much mental energy thinking about it. The CTF challenges were once a lot of fun....fun to find out the new topic, think up some original shots, carry them through and post them in the galleries. The challenge thread banter and conversation was fun to take part in. I've learned heaps from everyone here....from why having a maid isn't the ideal way to get your house clean, right through to how to get equal sized borders on a tryptych. For that matter, I learned what a tryptych was!

It's now no longer fun. I post my images in the gallery and wonder if they are being silently ridiculed by Rod or anyone else who's been steam-rollered by his comments.. My enthusiasm for entering the CTF challenge has been severely dampened this week, although my enthusiasm for photography and sharing my images hasn't. I can do that elsewhere.

I wish the CTF challenge could revert to what it once was. A group of friendly experienced and inexperienced photographers sharing the journey together in a relaxed forum. With no one person buffooning and steamrollering their way through the galleries and threads. It's not going to for the time being, so rather than let the small sh*t get me down, rather than play a game that's no longer fun, I'll go find something else to do.

Cheers,

Gayle
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'We don't make a photograph with just a camera. We bring to the act of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen, the music we have heard and the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams



http://www.shot2shot.com
http://www.pbase.com/gayleknowles/
 
Well said Gayle.... and I want to say I admire your work and enjoy seeing the finished work of many great photographers and their styles.

These challenges may seem fun and quite challenging but intimating to newbies like me so I just follow them - maybe the mini challenges are somewhat more fun because they are less informal.

I believe 'you' are an excellent photographer which I enjoy also seeing Richard Higgs and Max@Homes work - plus they are indeed gentlemen and show their respect :)

IMHO from a newbie photographer who enjoys taking pictures for fun and still learning.
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warmest regards,
sue anne
gee-six
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http://www.pbase.com/sueymarky

 
Looks like you're getting one swan song speech every 150 posts. I wonder if I should be next? as it seems there's not enough room for inflated egos & me.
Regards Rod
 
Thanks, Paul, for your comment on my photo "The tolling..."
I´m unable to embed an image in this thread, so I put the original photo
you want in the pending gallery. Sorry.
Regards

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Doris
 
Is that a Dali painting? It looks fascinating and with the white of the church tower and the blue of the sky it's a stunning image. looks like i'll have to google Estartit.

Regards
Paul
 
The PS butcher strikes again. I just had a play with your fire shot, what do you think?
Abs original



A very minimal treatment to just tone down the bright white by selecting with the eye dropper the closest colour to the white & then a 50% fill & a bit of noise.



& the expensive deluxe treatment with the clone & healing tool.



Regards Rod
 
Looks like you're getting one swan song speech every 150 posts. I
wonder if I should be next? as it seems there's not enough room for
inflated egos & me.
Regards Rod
Rod,

I don't think you should confuse "inflated egos" with sensitivity. They are very different things.

I know Don, having visited him several times, and having exchanged a lot of letters with him for 3 years. I assure you that he does not have an inflated ego. I know Gayle only through her postings and comments. From her writings, she has never exhibited what I would call an inflated ego - far from it. Are they sensitive people? Yes they are.

One of the things I have learned in my life is that while all people are “equal” - they are also different. Many are sensitive people, and need to be treated as such. If you try to force the same thoughts down someone's throat time after time, you should expect them to react. They may fight back; they may leave. But it is not because of ego issues. Often the one with the ego is the aggressor.

We all have different styles. We all like good humor. I can be very aggressive and coarse with you, and not insult you. But the same words will offend others here. I know that, and I will respect their sensitivity. It is not their ego that gets in the way.

Me, I have been around this site for about 3 years, and have watched people come and go, all for different reasons. I have reduced my participation recently. Why? Multiple reasons - less time, lower priority for photography, and perhaps as Gayle said, it's not as much fun anymore. It's hard to insult me; I just consider the source.

One thing I realized after reading the various posts on the topic of participation – the people I miss the most I would consider teachers. There is a big difference between critics and teachers. Many of us came here and stayed when we could work with a teacher. I for one am looking for constructive criticism from a teacher, not simply criticism. I believe others are too.

It is very easy to be critical. It is very difficult to successfully teach.

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Jim
 
I realize that I’m a late comer to these challenges but I’m seeing post about some people not wanting to participate anymore.

Can someone fill me in on what the problem is?

Don’t hold back.

Thanks!

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EOSMan

http://www.pbase.com/eosman

 
First Don and then Gayle! I just can't believe this!!!

I some how feel responsible as it all happened while I was hosting the box challenge. I did not interfere as I thought everyone taking part in that discussion are here for a long time and know how to deal with things like this.

I am really sorry guys that I let it continue the way it did and when it did. Now I think I should have interfered and put a stop to the debate/argument.

I think Rod has his way of putting things in perspective and we have our ways to read and interpret it. Take it with a grain of salt and don't let it get to you. There are more folks here who would want you to come back then there are who don't .... so please reconsider both of you....
-Cat

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--Photocat
http://www.pbase.com/photocat

'It is what we think we know already that often prevents us from learning' -- Claud Bernard.
 

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