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WOW!

I just got my new black 350D. Decided to test the high ISO performance...

All I can say is WOW!

350D completely blows my old 300D out of the water in noise performance. I mean it's not even close.

I read Phil's review, and I know that the noise is "supposed" to be similar.

I don't know if the RAW Image Task supplied with a camera does a better job in converting noisy RAW without introducing artifacts, or the 350D has some better noise pattern that's easier for Noise Ninja to detect and correct, but the results are stunning.

Properly exposed ISO 1600 has very low noise. No need for Noise Ninja unless you have some very dark areas.

ISO 3200 (underexposed ISO 1600 pushed +1 EC in software) looks really good and cleans up very nicely in Noise Ninja.

ISO 6400 (underexposed ISO 1600 by two stops and pushed +2 EC in software) is very usable. It cleans up nicely in Noise Ninja. I believe that you could easily print 5x7 and still get great results.

The key is to shoot RAW and properly calibrate Noise Ninja. Turn sharpening off on the Noise Ninja calibration charts and on the pictures you're cleaning up with Noise Ninja. Selective sharpening later in Photoshop.

The pictures below are 100% crops. Full size images look A LOT better, especially when resized down.

ISO1600, no noise reduction:



ISO1600 with Noise Ninja:



ISO3200 with Noise Ninja:



ISO6400 with Noise Ninja:

 
Yep, that's what I experienced also. Methinks there needs to be a revamp of the noise test that Phil does. I find it hard to believe that so many people notice a lower noise switching from the old DRebel to the XT because they subjectively expect it to be that way. Someone had mentioned color noise, which Phil doesn't test, but aparently makes a big difference in how we notice noise (and aparently how software like Noise Ninja and the like deal with it too).

Very goodexamples, thank you.

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YellowBullet said:
All I can say is WOW!

350D completely blows my old 300D out of the water in noise
performance. I mean it's not even close.
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YellowBullet said:
Properly exposed ISO 1600 has very low noise. No need for Noise
Ninja unless you have some very dark areas.
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That's true of the 300D too. I really don't think the examples you posted are going to convince me the 350D is totally superior to the 300D yet. The scene is very bright in terms of the subject and it's clearly well and evenly lit. Unless you did the same test with a 300D with the same settings, we really can't compare how good it is. That scene is one that's predictably going to give a nice smooth result anyway.

I'd be much more interested in seeing genuine low light work where you're up against it with available light, to see how good the noise really is with deep shadows and mixed tone areas, as you'd get in most scenes. I'd also be interested to see the entire frame to see what the rest of the scene was like - you might well have selected a deliberately good area to illustrate your point.

I'm not interested in the 350D, I certainly shan't be buying one, if I had the funds I'd get at least a 20D, but I'm afraid your images don't make me go WOW just yet, I don't think they were a sufficiently real world test for high ISO.

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Yes, I totally agree. I just upgraded from 300D to 350D and
noticed that the 350D is better on so many fronts:
  • cleaner images, i.e., lower noise
  • better colors right out of the box
(@ Parameter 2; Param 1 too red and contrasty for me)
  • faster and smaller
  • 8 megapixels yields much better tonality than 6.3
The only negative is that the AF is no better, certainly much
worse than my Elan II. The lack of a real AF assist light really
hurts. My 35 f/2 hunts way more with this camera than the
Elan II.

I don't agree with Phil's comments on comparable noise between
the 300D and 350D.
 
100% crops. Same lens, same aperture, same shutter speed, both cameras at ISO 1600, pictures taken only seconds apart. No postprocessing whatsoever.

Tell me which one is taken with which camera.

 
Thanks for the example. Another advantage of the 350D I forgot
to mention is the B&W mode. I know some people prefer to do
everything in Photoshop or their favorite editor, but as some others
have pointed out, getting good looking jpegs straight out of the
camera is a big win for time-constrained people like me. Plus, Canon's
jpegs sometimes have a je ne sais quoi about them that I can't
duplicate with a RAW developer. The saturation and colors tend
to be just right. As far as the B&W mode is concerned, I often
know ahead of time whether I want a shot in B&W or not,
especially for snapshots of people, so I like the ability to choose
which color filter I want in-camera.
 
YellowBullet said:
100% crops. Same lens, same aperture, same shutter speed, both
cameras at ISO 1600, pictures taken only seconds apart. No
postprocessing whatsoever.

Tell me which one is taken with which camera.
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I have being posting for the last few weeks about the ISO lack of noise at high ISOs. It is unbelieveable, much better than my 300D.

I shot 80 pics yeterday of my kids in the playground at ISO800, just amazing. I didn't use noinse ninja at all.
 
It's not a real ISO 6400, its ISO 1600 underexposed by 2 stops and then pushed 2 stops in software.
 
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