The 350D review is up

Hi Paulbod2,

I don'[t know if you are aware of it, but Olympus has a 300mm OM Zuiko lens on the secondhand market, and it isn't all that bad. Mind you, focusing is only in manual with the OM-adapter.
Olivia
Sorry I was not clear.

If we put the same 50/2 on E-300 and D2X at the same distance from
the board, they will get the same detail (similar photosite size).
If we put the same 50/1.8 on the D2X and D2H, at same distance,
obviously D2X will get more detail.

If we put E-300 and 350D XT at same distance with same focal
lenght, E-300 will have an advantage by 25 % (photosite size). This
is simple geometry.

Phil-osopher puts the 350D nearer than E-300 to the board because
is reframing...
and will put D2X as well I guess.

If you are a bird watcher, and have the same detail with a 400 (+
E-300) or with 500 (+350D) which will you buy ?
I would buy the lightest, and hopefully cheaper. But today there is
nothing yet on the market for 4/3rds above 200mm except the 300/2.8.
This will be changed soon I hope, and in a few years time the
market will be balanced.
Today I am looking at colors because I am using a Sigma
55-200/4-5.6 plus Raynox 2020 (total 440mm) on the E-300 -
equivalent to a 550mm on the 350D. This combination is light
(approx 600 gms) and cheap (under 400 usd), not strong.
The problem is that color is not too correct, and the large lens of
the Raynox can fool the exposure.
But if the 350D has focusing problems and its color is not correct
either, prefer keeping my E-300 plus Raynox plus Sigma and be
happy.. better than spend 1500 usd for the 350D +500 zoom and
having backfocused and violet images CA..
I can post Surf images if you like... after sharpening and
correcting exposure they are fabulous..
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Nice assessment here, Adam. Thank you!
Olivia
as there seems to a bit of Trolling going on in this thread - from
an E300 owner too !!! I AM Suprised! (you expect the odd D70 owner
to do it but NOT Oly owners!) I thought I'd put forward my UNBIASED
Comparison , and it IS unbiased too ...
I had the excellent E300 for 3 months and used every raw converter
which supports it and it's a superb camera but even in RAW it only
matches the JPG engine in the C8080 (which I still own and Like A
LOT) both at lowest ISO ..
Compared to the E300, the 350D resolves fine infinity detail in
landscapes better, has better Auto whitebalance and far better
metering and way lower noise at any given ISO - AF is much the same
(IE:- Excellent) regardless of light, shutter lag is better on the
350D as is the viewfinder and card write speeds are in a different
universe..
I prefer the more Pro Build of the E300 but the 350D is a better
shape for me - battery life is much the same.. Both take IR
remotes, neither comes with one, the Oly RM1 (C2100UZ / C3030
remote) is far more functional as the 350D takes the old 1-button
RM1 from the EOS10 and NOT the G3 remote.. the E300 has a vastly
better LCD but it needs it as there is no Mono one and you have to
squint to see the in-viewfinder display which is at the right.. I
don't like the Lit AF areas on either camera at all - the 350D has
tiny pinprick dots which can be hard to see whereas the E300 goes
the total opposite with massive red blurry dots which look like
you've focussed on an LED on a 1970s music centre - neither are
like the refined squares which light up even in the old D60!.

Pixel mapping is a nonevent, I only had 1 hottie on my UZI after 4
years (I remapped it) and literally Wore out a D60's shutter in
commercial work but there were no bad pixels - the E300's Dust
shaker is a worthwhile thing but it won't shake off the sticky muck
my 1DS seems to attract.. the 350D has fast USB2 transfer, the E300
has terminally slow USB1 (WHY? the 8080 is USB2) but even USB2 is
as much a nonevent as Pixel mapping as it's far better to use a
card reader..

Kit lenses are in a different universe also - the 350D comes with a
Dogtoy which is sharp wide open at one end (and one side!) whereas
the E300 comes with a Kit lens which is every bit as good as a
Canon or Nikon 24-85 USM/AFS in both build and optics, superb from
edge to edge wide open but VERY prone to CA / PF (I compared it to
the 14-54 E1 Kit lens and although the E300 is more prone to PF
than the 350D itself, most of it is the 14-45 kit lens, the 14-54
was far better). the 350D has the advantage of 17 years of used EOS
glass behind it, the E300 has the advantage of THE BEST "DX", "DC"
type smaller sensor lenses available (to make the most of the 350D
the best lenses are Full Frame, even Tamron and Sigmas!)

Both are excellent cameras, you choose based on what YOU need. the
350D definately walks it on image quality though, you have to jump
through hoops to get the E300 to match the 8080 even!.

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The newer USM kit lens is actually very good, in my opinion.
Olivia
If you buy the 350D should you just buy the body and not the kit? I
have heard that the lens from the 350D kit isn't very good.
Actually a salesman from the local camerashop said it should only
be used as an ashtray :)
I think that salesman was exaggerating. As long as you are aware of
the limit of the kit lens, it does a good job for the price you
paid.
There isn't a big price difference between the kit price and the
body price, but would you be better off saving that bit of money
and buy a better lens from the beginning?
I had a limited initial budget, so I got the kit along with a
50/1.8II. I will be adding a 17-40/4L and 70-200/4L later this year.

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They are very insecure, and thrive on verbal confrontation!

Seems his eyes are about as good as his ears?

And of course he chooses Olympus, the "esoteric" brand!
 
I didn't find any info on autofocusing capabilities of 350D... (eg. comparison to 20D)

Did I miss something?
 
Why do you always say this stuff? Compare the two forums and see which one has more threads about the QC of the lenses... I could venture to guess that Canon far and away would out number Olympus here...

The truth is, there are strengths to ever lens manufacturer and I guarantee you that for Every great Canon lens there is a great Nikon lens (note I mean this in number only not lens for lens)... I also guarantee you that a lot of portrait photographers really like Olympus glass and nobody ever calls them soft.

As for the E-300, I think it produces images that look quite nice but I clearly see more noise in them than the Rebel XT so it isn't really issue as far as body is concerned.
I don't think the lens system Olympus has to offer will satisfy
many...surely not me.

noise level? no thanks.
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Four-thirds make a lot of sense; better aspect ration, smaller sensor but not too small, etc.

The problems is that Canon & Nikon are the 800 pound gorillas in this industry, and they are going with APS-C. It is hard to blame them, because 90%+ of pros use Canon/Nikon and so a LOT of glass is out there.

Third party mfgrs (Sigma, Tamron, Tokina) are already doing APS-C, and they are stretching APS-C to 4/3. That gives up the advantages of 4/3 in lens design (shorther backfocal distance, smaller image circle). Will it make sense for them to add true 4/3 lenses to their line? Only if there is a true 4/3 SLR megaseller, and the E-300 is not it.

Does the high-ISO higher noise of a smaller sensor matter? As a matter of engineering, not really!! As the sensor gets smaller it is easier to design very fast lenses, and then you can shoot at equal noise at the same ISO. Olympus is leading the way there with f2.0 constant aperture zooms. With one of those you can shoot at ISO 400 where a Canon with a zoom would have to use IS) 1600!

It looks to me like Beta vs. VHS. The technically better product will lose for marketing reasons.

If Olympus wants to stop this slide they will need to not only make the E-300, but a bunch of fast cheap lenses that can compete with the very good values coming out of the independents. Say a $260 14-100 f2-f2.8 to go against the very good Sigma $260 18-125 f3.5-f5.6.

Ain't gonna happen. If Pentax & Konica Minolta were on the 4/3 wagon maybe, but they aren't. Olympus isn't bog enough to take on everyone else in SLRs.
 
I use it a lot and it is nice and sharp at F8, just not wide open. here are a few images with the kit lens.. I print those at 16 x 20 and they are tack sharp. I sell those prints and people only have praise for the quality of the print.

the tric is to use the lens at F8, not wide open.






If you buy the 350D should you just buy the body and not the kit? I
have heard that the lens from the 350D kit isn't very good.
Actually a salesman from the local camerashop said it should only
be used as an ashtray :)

There isn't a big price difference between the kit price and the
body price, but would you be better off saving that bit of money
and buy a better lens from the beginning?
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ho much extensive post processing was require to get those c700uz photos to look decent..

they looked nothing like that out of the camera.

as for the much more correct colour..that is a matter of personal taste..I like more saturation now and I much prefer the Canon colours. with the UZ I had a load of post processing to get anything decent..and the thing that bothered me the most was that I could not get decent colour in the green foliage..I had to actualy often "paint" the colours in to get good colours.

see this image? well I had to paint in ALL the green colour of the foliage..because the original was somehow grayed. that'S how good the OLympus are..they are subdued for colours and it'S hard to get rich colours with it.


Daniella ther is no question that the photos in yr gallery with the
UZ have much more correct color than the 300D. 100-400 IS is a good
lens, but otherwise no contest to the E-300..
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don'T you remember the total frenzic when all those c2100 had the death symdrom? any brand of camera can have problem. my 300d did 120,000 photos and more before it needed a shutter replacement.

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Sure more noise at high ISO settings, but
metal chassis with metal lens mount
sensor cleaner
good lenses much cheaper than L
ok where is the fine Olympus 400mm lens? much cheaper? Olympus offers nothing that I can use..same for nikon. Only Canon provide me with the tool I can use at the price and quality I can afford.

what you find good I would probably find bad.
and superior RAW
superior raw with noisier pic..how is that?

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That is a totally different class of camera compared to the DSLR bodies and lenses.
don'T you remember the total frenzic when all those c2100 had the
death symdrom? any brand of camera can have problem. my 300d did
120,000 photos and more before it needed a shutter replacement.

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in the conclusions page of the review. This is what he says:

"Excellent seven point AF system, fast, good in low light and reliable"

But he did not perform any detailed tests on this.
 
If I'm not mistaken they are one of Japan's largest companies and fall under the Matsushita brand (I believe they are bigger than Canon that's for sure).
Certainly will be interesting to see what Pansonic do, they have a
lot of money to throw around if they want to build market share....

The next year or two will be very interesting...
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the lens mount is also metal.

but what good is that if the image quality of the Oly fall behind in every aspect? it is slow and high noise.
E-300 has metal chassis up to the front, where the lens mount is
metal too. So the basis of users can only grow, being much harder
to destroy it (and the E-1 even more) than the C equivalents.
I think I will buy an 350D, a 7D or a D50 or a *ist DS (I used to
have a collection of more than 80 stereos of different brands), to
use with a cheap long tele (Sigma 170-500 - Tamron 200-500 ?) not
yet available in 4/3rds, but I have to say I am frankly appalled by
the poor quality of this review gallery, with expensive lenses....

As long as blindness is an appreciated quality (Zeiss was reported
saying "it is important all what one CANNOT see in a photo..."),
people can keep reading unscientific (JPEG) test conclusions and
not looking at the galleries...
I don'T need to look at the gallery..I have my own photos to juggle with. From my experience with XT, it is fast focusing, excellent 8mp quality and good dynamic range.
Looking forward to be banned by the Fisher Price Toy Co, all the best.
funny that a Fisher toy takes better photo than your "pro" camera huh? somethign's not right here.

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My first two digicams were the Nikon CP900 and 990 as I felt Nikon was ahead of the curve in affordable digital imaging. My last two digicams have been the Canon Rebel 300 and the Powershot S400. I feel Canon is very much ahead of the curve compared to Nikon now.

Having said that I'm sure I'd be happy with a D70.
 
That is a totally different class of camera compared to the DSLR
bodies and lenses.
yes..and Canon selling a lot lot more cameras than the oly DSLR..get that? so amoung the 140,000 units per month that Canon sell of the XT alone, it is bound to have more defective units than the 2000 that Olym might sell in one year.

let me know when you have done 120,000 pics with yoru oly camera in 2 years how it perform.
don'T you remember the total frenzic when all those c2100 had the
death symdrom? any brand of camera can have problem. my 300d did
120,000 photos and more before it needed a shutter replacement.

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