Canon Powershot A510 Caution

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Serious quality control problems and flimsy construction spoil an otherwise BEST buy camera. If you are considering this model, and consider flimsy construction more than a minor annoyance, you may be better off spending a bit more and going w the older versions that used higher quality case (more metal, better balance) and 4 AA batteries.

Dan

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http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=canon_a510&opinion=25798
 
only the A80/95 have metal... the rest was plastic.
Serious quality control problems and flimsy construction spoil an
otherwise BEST buy camera. If you are considering this model, and
consider flimsy construction more than a minor annoyance, you may
be better off spending a bit more and going w the older versions
that used higher quality case (more metal, better balance) and 4
AA batteries.

Dan

See details of problems

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=canon_a510&opinion=25798
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Dan,

The reviews so far seemed to like the build quality:

Dcresource:

“Despite having a more powerful zoom lens, the A510 and A520 are quite a bit smaller than their predecessors. They're still not as compact as, say, the Digital ELPH cameras, but they'll fit comfortably in larger pockets. Build quality hasn't changed much since the old models: the cameras are made of a mixture of plastic and metal, and they feel very solid considering their price.”

Steve’s Digicams:

"In 2005, a resolution of only 3-megapixels has become synonymous with entry-level, but the A510's build quality belies any notion of cheapness. Its hybrid metal/polycarbonate body is both durable and stylish,…"

Imaging-resource:

"The A510's all-plastic, two-toned silver body is lightweight and compact, although just a little too large for the average shirt pocket."

Mike
Serious quality control problems and flimsy construction spoil an
otherwise BEST buy camera. If you are considering this model, and
consider flimsy construction more than a minor annoyance, you may
be better off spending a bit more and going w the older versions
that used higher quality case (more metal, better balance) and 4
AA batteries.

Dan

See details of problems

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=canon_a510&opinion=25798
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Other than the plastic cover for the ports, I don't find the A510 flimsy at all.

I use SD Ultra II and Lexar 512MB cards in it and had no problems removing them to the card reader. Even the battery door is not that bad, IMHO.
Serious quality control problems and flimsy construction spoil an
otherwise BEST buy camera. If you are considering this model, and
consider flimsy construction more than a minor annoyance, you may
be better off spending a bit more and going w the older versions
that used higher quality case (more metal, better balance) and 4
AA batteries.

Dan

See details of problems

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=canon_a510&opinion=25798
 
I wish a reviewer would comment on this problem on the new SD500:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=12819771
Serious quality control problems and flimsy construction spoil an
otherwise BEST buy camera. If you are considering this model, and
consider flimsy construction more than a minor annoyance, you may
be better off spending a bit more and going w the older versions
that used higher quality case (more metal, better balance) and 4
AA batteries.

Dan

See details of problems

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinion_text.asp?prodkey=canon_a510&opinion=25798
 
I am well aware that very few of the user review comments had a negative experience with build quality, however, I did, and I described my problems in detail.
Perhaps it will be helpful to anyone else who runs into these same problems.

Unless someone looks at large numbers of any camera you cannot seriously evaluate quality control. It really is a problem of statistical sampling. So, it is possible, and perhaps even quite likely that the problems I experienced with my sample are very rare and not representative of this camera line. I was not giving the final word on quality control, I raised the possibility, because of my sample, that it was not up to the usual Canon standard.

Furthermore, Phil's official review, is positively glowing about the build quality. My sample appears to be the only one (that anyone has posted) w any problems. As far as the feel of the A510 (and I would guess A520 which is very similar) compared to the older A60, A70, A85, A95 series all of which took 4 AA cells and had a larger grip, this is a matter of personal preference.

I disagree with Phil -I think the older series had a much better feel and build quality.

There is no arguing with personal preference, no matter how outlandish or silly it may appear to another person. You can however judge whether the "reasoning" given for personal preference makes any sense to you or not.

I just compared the A510 with an A95, and I really like the heavier, more hefty feel of the A95. I find it easier to hold with one hand, and the greater weight, I believe makes for steadier shooting under low light levels when using longer exposure times in the absence of flash illumination.

I wrote my original note and now this one, a bit more tempered with the benefit of additional information, to help people with making their camera purchases.

A silly comment like "what do you expect for $200" is almost not worth commenting on. However I will. I do not expect such a camera to not release the SD card. Also having used A60, A70 etc. I expected the feel of the controls to be similar, to be of reasonable quality, and I was disappointed. Other than for these mechanical problems I was quite positive about the camera -assuming you read my comments fully and also looked at my ratings.

Choose wisely,

Dan
 
Unless someone looks at large numbers of any camera you cannot
seriously evaluate quality control. It really is a problem of
statistical sampling. So, it is possible, and perhaps even quite
likely that the problems I experienced with my sample are very rare
and not representative of this camera line. I was not giving the
final word on quality control, I raised the possibility, because of
my sample, that it was not up to the usual Canon standard.
Dan,

I'm not sure if you are referring to a sample camera you used or if you are referring to a sample in a statistical context. Regardless, please keep in mind that your "sample" is extremely small (1 to be exact) and really isn't representative. No camera is perfect, and like you referred to above, defects are going to happen during mass production even with the strictest quality standards.

All the best

Mike
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Hello,

You wrote in your review:
1 Flimsy construction (all plastic) build and balance compared to the older A70, A80, A95 construction and feel is very poor. The switch for Camera/Playback is especially flimsy.
Simon Johnson says in his review:
The body is constructed for the most part from metal (the grip is covered in high grade plastic), and loaded with a pair of AA batteries it has a satisfying weight to it.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canona510/page2.asp

My question to you:which is it? "(all plastic)" or "for the most part metal."

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Dan,

Thanks for post this information in detail however.

Sadly when things like this happen they generally leave a bad impression with the owner. I think with most people if they got a unit right off with problems they would return it to where they got it from withouth any hesitation after all $200 is a good amount of money.

I've heard the same thing about cars, one guy was trying to tell me that all Honda's were junk because he happened to get one bad one new from the dealership.

In your case it has to leave an even worse impression just because you have 30+ cameras to test and you have one that right off the bat is defective.

My previous camera was the Fuji 2800, I remember all these posts about how the lens fell out for people and that the lens would get stuck etc.. Well I got mine in Dec 2001 and its still runs great no problems.

Ed
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Hello,

You wrote in your review:
1 ... The switch for Camera/Playback is especially flimsy.
The switch works properly,but doesn't have the greatest "feel" to it. So far it has not been a problem.

Concerning the SD card:

My Panasonic SD card works properly,but my Kingston is a little difficult to eject. Both come out,but the Kingston requires a little extra pull to get it out. Both have notches on their two sides.
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Concerning the SD card:

My Panasonic SD card works properly,but my Kingston is a little
difficult to eject. Both come out,but the Kingston requires a
little extra pull to get it out. Both have notches on their two
sides.
Bluegrass,

I have a Sandisk SD card that ejects easily. The differences between your panny, kingston and my sandisk (only the kingston being slightly difficult to eject) tells me the eject difference is a function of different SD card manufacturers....and not the camera itself.

Mike
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Hello Mike,

I agree with you.

The Kingston card seems just a little bit thicker than the Panny card.
I have a Sandisk SD card that ejects easily. The differences
between your panny, kingston and my sandisk (only the kingston
being slightly difficult to eject) tells me the eject difference is
a function of different SD card manufacturers....and not the camera
itself.

Mike
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There are four reviews of the A510. Here is what the additional three said:

" Build quality hasn't changed much since the old models: the cameras are made of a mixture of plastic and metal, and they feel very solid considering their price."

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_a510_a520-review/index.shtml

"Its hybrid metal/polycarbonate body is both durable and stylish, fitting in equally well at both your children's soccer games and social events."

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/a510_pg7.html

And to be complete honest, here is what the final reviewer says:

"The A510's all-plastic, two-toned silver body is lightweight and compact, although just a little too large for the average shirt pocket."

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/A510/A51A.HTM

So, my count is:

3 reviewers say metal/plastic hybrid
1 reviewer says all-plastic

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When I first got my S30 I was certain the body could not be metal, but it is. (Try scratching it. If you want to that is). It's seen best when you open the battery hatch.

In any case, the aluminium body is easily mistaken for plastic.

As for build quality and such. The digital camera market is getting increasingly competitive, with prices dropping like stones. It is a natural consequence that the entry level cameras of today are of a lower build quality compared to those of say five years ago. Then again, they come at half the price. If you want the same build quality of yesterday, try paying as much as yesterday as well.

This is also normal marketing practice: Entry level cameras cannot be made as good as higher-grade cameras, even if the manufacturers easily could have done it, or they would compete with their other cameras (S-series). It is most probably a very deliberate choice not to incorporate a DIGIC II processor.

Consider what you get here. Almost all features of an S-series camera, in a somewhat simpler body. They had to include some drawbacks!

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Yeah, I agree some weakness might be there deliberately.

For instance, the long flash charge time, I am able to shoot repeated flash shots in 2-3 seconds if I have the LCD turned off, which is pretty good for any digicams.

The long charge time with the LCD on may be there so it can score better in standardized battery endurance tests, if that make any sense ???
 
Hi,

Never thought of that angle. Somehow I doubt it,but anything is possible ;)
The long charge time with the LCD on may be there so it can score
better in standardized battery endurance tests, if that make any
sense ???
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Hello,

I paid $150 for mine, and I'm very impressed with its construction, design and features. Focus lock can be difficult in extremely dark situations,but that is only a very minor problem; In most low-light (normal room lighting) situations it does fine.
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I love these self styled experts, what does this guy want for less
than 200 bucks, a Leica?
Perhaps he slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night? So the commercial goes :)

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