Sony S-85 or Nikon 995

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I have posted this on the Nikon forum too - in order to be sure that I get viewpoints from both Sony and Nikon users:

Am really tempted to go for the 995 . However, a few more points on the S-85 (from reviews / posts) which still have me confused as to whether to do so:
  • Unparalled image resolution (dpreview)
  • Very power efficient : amazing lasting power
  • Lighter in weight and smaller in dimensions than the 995
  • AF assist lamp
  • Excellent camera controls and range of photographic options (dpreview)
  • The camera can practically see in the dark - fantastic low light capabilities(Rene) (I love night photography)
While the things I especially like about the Nikon 995 (besides others) is
  • The Nikon forum seems to be a lot more alive than that of the Sony
  • Tremendous background support from Nikon (firmware updates etc.)
  • Macro ability
Any comments?

Thanks in advance

Lorna
 
Having shot over 100 pictures each, with the S75 and the CP990, I hope I can shed some better light on your question, than those who have made final decisions based upon one sample photo taken by Phil.

I am assuming that the newer models are similar enough to their older models to make these comparisions worthwhile.

The Sony is much easier to handle, has a better LCD, and provides shots that have color second only to the Kodaks.

The Nikon has a sharper image than the Sony, and the 995 has color saturation settings not found on the 990.

The Nikon will have several firmware upgrades during the next year as needed, while the Sony is a live with what you get camera.

The Sony will let you crop as much as 25% from your picture, and still have enough pixels to print 8x11 without any loss in quality.

Both cameras connect well to your computer, and both are great cameras.

In the end, while I really enjoy playing with all of Nikons possibilties in their menus, the colors of the Sony make the same picture taken by both cameras much more pleasing to look at.
 
I have posted this on the Nikon forum too - in order to be sure
that I get viewpoints from both Sony and Nikon users:

Am really tempted to go for the 995 . However, a few more points on
the S-85 (from reviews / posts) which still have me confused as to
whether to do so:
  • Unparalled image resolution (dpreview)
  • Very power efficient : amazing lasting power
  • Lighter in weight and smaller in dimensions than the 995
  • AF assist lamp
  • Excellent camera controls and range of photographic options
(dpreview)
  • The camera can practically see in the dark - fantastic low light
capabilities(Rene) (I love night photography)

While the things I especially like about the Nikon 995 (besides
others) is
  • The Nikon forum seems to be a lot more alive than that of the Sony
  • Tremendous background support from Nikon (firmware updates etc.)
  • Macro ability
Any comments?

Thanks in advance

Lorna
Comments coming up:- I'll bet you were advised to buy a Nikon 995 in the Nikon forum, just as you'll be advised to buy a S85 here. I found the miniscule squintfinder on the 995 next to useless, the LCD isnt non-reflective, and the zoom is restricted in aperture at its tele end. It grates and grinds as the AF and zoom operate. It feels plasticky at the joint. Ask any Nikon~man and he'll agree :^) LarryG
 
I'd have to agree with you on the forum comment... I've read through the Nikon forum when researching a camera to buy, and liked the attitude of their forum moreso than the STF. There is just way too much complaining on this forum, IMO. People seem to spend much more time analyzing noise levels, CA, and what not produced by the camera rather than taking interesting pics... I don't think people here in the STF actually go out and take pics with there cameras, they take a few pics and analyze the hell outta them looking for camera weaknesses...

Cubfan (tired of the STF)
I have posted this on the Nikon forum too - in order to be sure
that I get viewpoints from both Sony and Nikon users:

Am really tempted to go for the 995 . However, a few more points on
the S-85 (from reviews / posts) which still have me confused as to
whether to do so:
  • Unparalled image resolution (dpreview)
  • Very power efficient : amazing lasting power
  • Lighter in weight and smaller in dimensions than the 995
  • AF assist lamp
  • Excellent camera controls and range of photographic options
(dpreview)
  • The camera can practically see in the dark - fantastic low light
capabilities(Rene) (I love night photography)

While the things I especially like about the Nikon 995 (besides
others) is
  • The Nikon forum seems to be a lot more alive than that of the Sony
  • Tremendous background support from Nikon (firmware updates etc.)
  • Macro ability
Any comments?

Thanks in advance

Lorna
 
I'd have to agree with you on the forum comment... I've read
through the Nikon forum when researching a camera to buy, and liked
the attitude of their forum moreso than the STF. There is just way
too much complaining on this forum, IMO. People seem to spend much
more time analyzing noise levels, CA, and what not produced by the
camera rather than taking interesting pics... I don't think
people here in the STF actually go out and take pics with there
cameras, they take a few pics and analyze the hell outta them
looking for camera weaknesses...

Cubfan (tired of the STF)
But it's fun.
 
It can be fun. But it just gets old- think about it- The main focus of this forum is analyzing, comparing, debating, the technical differences between cameras which are very similar with similar optics and mechanics. There really isn't that much separating the S70, S75, S85...

Anyway, its just gotten old (this is just my opinion)-
  • off I go to take some pictures
Cubfan
I'd have to agree with you on the forum comment... I've read
through the Nikon forum when researching a camera to buy, and liked
the attitude of their forum moreso than the STF. There is just way
too much complaining on this forum, IMO. People seem to spend much
more time analyzing noise levels, CA, and what not produced by the
camera rather than taking interesting pics... I don't think
people here in the STF actually go out and take pics with there
cameras, they take a few pics and analyze the hell outta them
looking for camera weaknesses...

Cubfan (tired of the STF)
But it's fun.
 
Hi again Lorna,

For Larry's benefit ;) some of us didn't "advise" Lorna to buy a Nikon, but there was mention of the great difficulty the Sony has in obtaining precise focus in macro mode, as well as excessive sharpening (even with sharpening turned off) and digital artifacts. (This won't ever bother you if you don't need to enlarge anything, or aren't especially fussy.) The Sony's spot meter and low light capabilities are fantastic. But beware of all that noise. I'd download some images and check them out carefully.

René (who has defected to a 995 after returning her S75)
I have posted this on the Nikon forum too - in order to be sure
that I get viewpoints from both Sony and Nikon users:

Am really tempted to go for the 995 . However, a few more points on
the S-85 (from reviews / posts) which still have me confused as to
whether to do so:
  • Unparalled image resolution (dpreview)
  • Very power efficient : amazing lasting power
  • Lighter in weight and smaller in dimensions than the 995
  • AF assist lamp
  • Excellent camera controls and range of photographic options
(dpreview)
  • The camera can practically see in the dark - fantastic low light
capabilities(Rene) (I love night photography)

While the things I especially like about the Nikon 995 (besides
others) is
  • The Nikon forum seems to be a lot more alive than that of the Sony
  • Tremendous background support from Nikon (firmware updates etc.)
  • Macro ability
Any comments?

Thanks in advance

Lorna
Comments coming up:- I'll bet you were advised to buy a Nikon 995
in the Nikon forum, just as you'll be advised to buy a S85 here. I
found the miniscule squintfinder on the 995 next to useless, the
LCD isnt non-reflective, and the zoom is restricted in aperture at
its tele end. It grates and grinds as the AF and zoom operate. It
feels plasticky at the joint. Ask any Nikon~man and he'll agree
:^) LarryG
 
It can be fun. But it just gets old- think about it- The main
focus of this forum is analyzing, comparing, debating, the
technical differences between cameras which are very similar with
similar optics and mechanics. There really isn't that much
separating the S70, S75, S85...

Anyway, its just gotten old (this is just my opinion)-
  • off I go to take some pictures
Cubfan
Hi Cubfan, I agree. But you've probably noticed all the forums have something different to offer. When I want to look at pictures I shoot off to the Canon forum, look-in occasionally on the Open Talk forum (it often reminds me of the top~floor debate at Art School... sometimes above my head but rarely boring). The Minolta forum provides heated (!) discussion on the D7 currently, however, you have to admit the Sony forum is humourous and covers a wider spectrum (human interests) than just cameras and photography.
Cheerio, LarryG
I'd have to agree with you on the forum comment... I've read
through the Nikon forum when researching a camera to buy, and liked
the attitude of their forum moreso than the STF. There is just way
too much complaining on this forum, IMO. People seem to spend much
more time analyzing noise levels, CA, and what not produced by the
camera rather than taking interesting pics... I don't think
people here in the STF actually go out and take pics with there
cameras, they take a few pics and analyze the hell outta them
looking for camera weaknesses...

Cubfan (tired of the STF)
But it's fun.
 
Requesting a few more comments on the following please:

Rene says -

IMAGE QUALITY (of the S75): It's subjective, of course. The Sony's images are really "deep", almost three dimensional. I think it's the tonal range. But the colors are inaccurate. Nikon wins hands down here. I think Sony oversaturates the colors and you lose detail there. Have
they fixed it in the S85? Don't know.

(Wondering if they have too).

Also, Lance says that while he enjoys playing with Nikons possibilities in their menus, the Sony colours (second only to Kodak) make the same picture taken by both cameras look more pleasing.

Any comments?

Thanks

Lorna
It can be fun. But it just gets old- think about it- The main
focus of this forum is analyzing, comparing, debating, the
technical differences between cameras which are very similar with
similar optics and mechanics. There really isn't that much
separating the S70, S75, S85...

Anyway, its just gotten old (this is just my opinion)-
  • off I go to take some pictures
Cubfan
Hi Cubfan, I agree. But you've probably noticed all the forums
have something different to offer. When I want to look at pictures
I shoot off to the Canon forum, look-in occasionally on the Open
Talk forum (it often reminds me of the top~floor debate at Art
School... sometimes above my head but rarely boring). The Minolta
forum provides heated (!) discussion on the D7 currently, however,
you have to admit the Sony forum is humourous and covers a wider
spectrum (human interests) than just cameras and photography.
Cheerio, LarryG
I'd have to agree with you on the forum comment... I've read
through the Nikon forum when researching a camera to buy, and liked
the attitude of their forum moreso than the STF. There is just way
too much complaining on this forum, IMO. People seem to spend much
more time analyzing noise levels, CA, and what not produced by the
camera rather than taking interesting pics... I don't think
people here in the STF actually go out and take pics with there
cameras, they take a few pics and analyze the hell outta them
looking for camera weaknesses...

Cubfan (tired of the STF)
But it's fun.
 
Requesting a few more comments on the following please:
Take a look at "Outdoor Portrait" at Imaging Resource for a wonderful example of the differences of the two cameras.

1st: Look at the flowers. The 995 has overblown the yellow flowers, while the S85 had no problems capturing all the levels of this picture.

2nd: Look at the lower sleeve. The S85 has obvious noise in the shadow area of the sleeve, while the 995 has no noise.

3rd, and VERY IMPORTANT! Look at both images at the size of 8x11 on your monitor screen.......They both look great.

We all get carried away, taking apart images at sizes (20x 27), that have no real world value, unless you have a printer that size.
 
Lorna: Last year at this time, I was torn between the S75 and 990.
I ended up going with the 990. At the time, I had never used a camera
with a swivel and wasn't planning on doing much Macro. Now when I
pick up a S75, I realize how important the swivel is to me. Also, having
the Macro of the 990 is something else I wouldn't want to part with.
If it weren't for these 2 things, I would get an S85 now! That's why
I'm eagerly awaiting an anouncement regarding the 505v replacement!
Just my 2 cents...
GaryM
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I have posted this on the Nikon forum too - in order to be sure
that I get viewpoints from both Sony and Nikon users:

Am really tempted to go for the 995 . However, a few more points on
the S-85 (from reviews / posts) which still have me confused as to
whether to do so:
  • Unparalled image resolution (dpreview)
  • Very power efficient : amazing lasting power
  • Lighter in weight and smaller in dimensions than the 995
  • AF assist lamp
  • Excellent camera controls and range of photographic options
(dpreview)
  • The camera can practically see in the dark - fantastic low light
capabilities(Rene) (I love night photography)

While the things I especially like about the Nikon 995 (besides
others) is
  • The Nikon forum seems to be a lot more alive than that of the Sony
  • Tremendous background support from Nikon (firmware updates etc.)
  • Macro ability
Any comments?

Thanks in advance

Lorna
 
Lorna, just a few more thoughts (though I'm sure you've had an earful from me already!)

"Image quality" depends on the end goal of the user. If you are looking for something which will give you great images to share with your friends and family, document family events, vacations, travels, garden flowers, pets, then the Sony is an absolutely fantastic camera. Its ease of use with regard to correct oxposures every time and low light capabilities - even indoor photos (in good light) without flash! - is just fantastic. (In fact, it's so fantastic I'm thinking about owning two digital cameras, which is not like me at all, considering the last camera I bought was a Nikkormat in 1968!). I really miss this capability of the S75, and the S85 will be equal in this respect. I live in the redwoods, in the fog! and low light is the only thing that's here! The Nikon can't go into the woods without a flash.

Related to that is tonal range. other posters are right: the Nikon does tend to "blow out" brighter colors. I'm finding this now, as I'm learning my new 995. The Sony has way more tonal range - low and high values both. No doubt about it. But you pay for it with lots of noise. You have to decide how important that price is to you.

My end use is a little different, although I want to do all those snapshot things too. I am a professional craftsperson who fabricates jewelry and small glass objects. Digital images are a way of promoting my work, and it's absolutely essential that the images be of high enough quality to appear "professional". I want to be able to crop and enlarge areas without significant loss of detail, or digital artifacts. As an example, in June I took many macro photos of my work for a presentation; I needed 6 X 9's of cropped areas. I took the images both with the S75 and the 990. I was not able to achieve the quality I wanted with the S75; the 990 images were beautiful. I had a difficulty focusing the S75 (the ultimate #1 reason for my returning it). Macro focus with this camera is iffy at best. The camera has a mind of its own about what it considers sufficient "contrast". The Nikon is a champ with close focus.

As I mentioned, another issue is noise. The current crop of Cybershots are VERY noisy cameras. This was the #2 reason I returned the camera. The images were so noisy that no way were they "professional" looking, even at 4 X 6. Even light areas were full of noise. This is one of the reasons they looked "digital". The Nikon gives you very smooth images by comparison. If noise bothers you, you will not be able to use Photoshop to get rid of the stuff in the Sony images, without making the images look overly soft. Nor can you "sharpen" an image which is out of focus.

BUT.....I'm very fussy. You are the only one who can decide what your end use of the camera will be, and which camera will serve you best. Some folks DO want to blow their images up to 20 X 27, and with Genuine Fractals, the Nikon could probably do this. This sort of bugs me about this Sony Forum - there are lots of folks here who say it's "wrong" to be fussy. Well, some of ARE perfectionistic about our images and want the best of what we want. For one person it's natural skin tones. For another it's lack of noise. You are the only one who can decide what's most important to you, and please don't let anyone tell you what the "right" camera is for you. Having used both, each camera has its strengths and weaknesses.

René
Lorna: Last year at this time, I was torn between the S75 and 990.
I ended up going with the 990. At the time, I had never used a camera
with a swivel and wasn't planning on doing much Macro. Now when I
pick up a S75, I realize how important the swivel is to me. Also,
having
the Macro of the 990 is something else I wouldn't want to part with.
If it weren't for these 2 things, I would get an S85 now! That's why
I'm eagerly awaiting an anouncement regarding the 505v replacement!
Just my 2 cents...
GaryM
 
I really enjoyed reading this commentary and I went and checked on the pictures at the imaging resource. The difference in noise levels between the two cameras was quite striking.

I also noticed that the lighting seemed a bit harsher with the Sony picture. I'm not yet a photoshop jock, but I did note that there is a significant difference in the standard deviatioin of the luminosity of these two pictures. The luminosity profiles are also qualitatively different; the sony has a spike in the low end, while the Nikon has a spike in the high end.

The Nikon was taken at 1/325, f7.5, while the Sony was taken at 1/500, f7.1, so the exposure was different. Even though the shadows appear to be about the same size in both pictures, it appears that there is more direct and less ambient light in the Sony sample, making the shadow areas darker in relative terms. Is it normal to have more noise in such circumstances?

More generally, this has me wondering how much of these differences can be attributed to the following:

1. Different lighting conditions for the two photos

2. Different CCD charecteristics/noise filtering algorithms for the two cameras.

I'm thinking about the S-85 and I'm trying to figure out how noisy this camera really is. (FWIW, I currently own a CoolPix 950.) According to Phil's review, the S-85 should be on the low end compared to other cameras, even the 995. However, based on your analysis, and some pictures posted here and elsewhere, it seems a bit noisy. Reds, in particular, seem fuzzy, almost textured, in some cases. (Check out the shadows on the speedboat in the Steve's Digicams samples.)

Any further analysis or comments on this question would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Ron Parr
"Image quality" depends on the end goal of the user. If you are
looking for something which will give you great images to share
with your friends and family, document family events, vacations,
travels, garden flowers, pets, then the Sony is an absolutely
fantastic camera. Its ease of use with regard to correct oxposures
every time and low light capabilities - even indoor photos (in good
light) without flash! - is just fantastic. (In fact, it's so
fantastic I'm thinking about owning two digital cameras, which is
not like me at all, considering the last camera I bought was a
Nikkormat in 1968!). I really miss this capability of the S75, and
the S85 will be equal in this respect. I live in the redwoods, in
the fog! and low light is the only thing that's here! The Nikon
can't go into the woods without a flash.

Related to that is tonal range. other posters are right: the Nikon
does tend to "blow out" brighter colors. I'm finding this now, as
I'm learning my new 995. The Sony has way more tonal range - low
and high values both. No doubt about it. But you pay for it with
lots of noise. You have to decide how important that price is to
you.

My end use is a little different, although I want to do all those
snapshot things too. I am a professional craftsperson who
fabricates jewelry and small glass objects. Digital images are a
way of promoting my work, and it's absolutely essential that the
images be of high enough quality to appear "professional". I want
to be able to crop and enlarge areas without significant loss of
detail, or digital artifacts. As an example, in June I took many
macro photos of my work for a presentation; I needed 6 X 9's of
cropped areas. I took the images both with the S75 and the 990. I
was not able to achieve the quality I wanted with the S75; the 990
images were beautiful. I had a difficulty focusing the S75 (the
ultimate #1 reason for my returning it). Macro focus with this
camera is iffy at best. The camera has a mind of its own about what
it considers sufficient "contrast". The Nikon is a champ with close
focus.

As I mentioned, another issue is noise. The current crop of
Cybershots are VERY noisy cameras. This was the #2 reason I
returned the camera. The images were so noisy that no way were they
"professional" looking, even at 4 X 6. Even light areas were full
of noise. This is one of the reasons they looked "digital". The
Nikon gives you very smooth images by comparison. If noise bothers
you, you will not be able to use Photoshop to get rid of the stuff
in the Sony images, without making the images look overly soft. Nor
can you "sharpen" an image which is out of focus.

BUT.....I'm very fussy. You are the only one who can decide what
your end use of the camera will be, and which camera will serve you
best. Some folks DO want to blow their images up to 20 X 27, and
with Genuine Fractals, the Nikon could probably do this. This sort
of bugs me about this Sony Forum - there are lots of folks here who
say it's "wrong" to be fussy. Well, some of ARE perfectionistic
about our images and want the best of what we want. For one person
it's natural skin tones. For another it's lack of noise. You are
the only one who can decide what's most important to you, and
please don't let anyone tell you what the "right" camera is for
you. Having used both, each camera has its strengths and weaknesses.

René
Lorna: Last year at this time, I was torn between the S75 and 990.
I ended up going with the 990. At the time, I had never used a camera
with a swivel and wasn't planning on doing much Macro. Now when I
pick up a S75, I realize how important the swivel is to me. Also,
having
the Macro of the 990 is something else I wouldn't want to part with.
If it weren't for these 2 things, I would get an S85 now! That's why
I'm eagerly awaiting an anouncement regarding the 505v replacement!
Just my 2 cents...
GaryM
 
The red speedboat pictures on the Steve's digicams site are another interesting example. I hadn't realized until recently that he had almost identical shots taken with both the 995 and the S85.

The shadow areas on the S85 shots are much noisier than the 995 shots. OTOH, the the S85 shot is much sharper. (Look at the signs, and the stripes in the large 1 in the front of the boat, for example.)

Ron Parr
Requesting a few more comments on the following please:
Take a look at "Outdoor Portrait" at Imaging Resource for a
wonderful example of the differences of the two cameras.

1st: Look at the flowers. The 995 has overblown the yellow
flowers, while the S85 had no problems capturing all the levels of
this picture.

2nd: Look at the lower sleeve. The S85 has obvious noise in the
shadow area of the sleeve, while the 995 has no noise.

3rd, and VERY IMPORTANT! Look at both images at the size of 8x11
on your monitor screen.......They both look great.

We all get carried away, taking apart images at sizes (20x 27),
that have no real world value, unless you have a printer that size.
 
Ron, I had an opportunity to use a 990 and the S75 side by side. The 990 belonged to a friend. I went out same time of day, same lighting conditions, and took the same macros of the same rhododendron flowers, with shingled house behind them. My S75 was so much more noisy there was no comparison. The noise is not just in the shadows, but anyplace there's an expanse of even color. The thing that's so annoying about it to my eye is that it's "blotchy" noise, not like a "film-grain" look. And then the camera sharpens it to boot. Could have been my camera; some people have said there's a difference in individual CCD's in this respect.

René
I really enjoyed reading this commentary and I went and checked on
the pictures at the imaging resource. The difference in noise
levels between the two cameras was quite striking.

I also noticed that the lighting seemed a bit harsher with the Sony
picture. I'm not yet a photoshop jock, but I did note that there
is a significant difference in the standard deviatioin of the
luminosity of these two pictures. The luminosity profiles are
also qualitatively different; the sony has a spike in the low end,
while the Nikon has a spike in the high end.

The Nikon was taken at 1/325, f7.5, while the Sony was taken at
1/500, f7.1, so the exposure was different. Even though the
shadows appear to be about the same size in both pictures, it
appears that there is more direct and less ambient light in the
Sony sample, making the shadow areas darker in relative terms. Is
it normal to have more noise in such circumstances?

More generally, this has me wondering how much of these differences
can be attributed to the following:

1. Different lighting conditions for the two photos

2. Different CCD charecteristics/noise filtering algorithms for
the two cameras.

I'm thinking about the S-85 and I'm trying to figure out how noisy
this camera really is. (FWIW, I currently own a CoolPix 950.)
According to Phil's review, the S-85 should be on the low end
compared to other cameras, even the 995. However, based on your
analysis, and some pictures posted here and elsewhere, it seems a
bit noisy. Reds, in particular, seem fuzzy, almost textured, in
some cases. (Check out the shadows on the speedboat in the Steve's
Digicams samples.)

Any further analysis or comments on this question would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Ron Parr
 
My macros with the S75 have always been very sharp and noise-free (admittedly, i've taken only a small number). I can usually avoid excess noise with the S75 if I take the picture correctly, It does a good job of capturing detail, the only think I dislike about it would be the amount of shadow noise it produces...

http://www.jayfleck.com/sony1.html
René
I really enjoyed reading this commentary and I went and checked on
the pictures at the imaging resource. The difference in noise
levels between the two cameras was quite striking.

I also noticed that the lighting seemed a bit harsher with the Sony
picture. I'm not yet a photoshop jock, but I did note that there
is a significant difference in the standard deviatioin of the
luminosity of these two pictures. The luminosity profiles are
also qualitatively different; the sony has a spike in the low end,
while the Nikon has a spike in the high end.

The Nikon was taken at 1/325, f7.5, while the Sony was taken at
1/500, f7.1, so the exposure was different. Even though the
shadows appear to be about the same size in both pictures, it
appears that there is more direct and less ambient light in the
Sony sample, making the shadow areas darker in relative terms. Is
it normal to have more noise in such circumstances?

More generally, this has me wondering how much of these differences
can be attributed to the following:

1. Different lighting conditions for the two photos

2. Different CCD charecteristics/noise filtering algorithms for
the two cameras.

I'm thinking about the S-85 and I'm trying to figure out how noisy
this camera really is. (FWIW, I currently own a CoolPix 950.)
According to Phil's review, the S-85 should be on the low end
compared to other cameras, even the 995. However, based on your
analysis, and some pictures posted here and elsewhere, it seems a
bit noisy. Reds, in particular, seem fuzzy, almost textured, in
some cases. (Check out the shadows on the speedboat in the Steve's
Digicams samples.)

Any further analysis or comments on this question would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Ron Parr
 
Your shots are really excellent in terms of sharpness and color. The noise seems under control too. The

However, I've seen some S75 (and S85) shots from other people in the forum that look really noisy and not that sharp, even in the well-lit parts of the photo that are, presumably, in focus.

I wish there were some way to get a handle on how much variation there is from one camera to another.

Perhaps I can get a handle on the variation from one photographer to another: Could you elaborate on "taking the pictures correctly". For example, do you feel that you are getting better results because you're being more careful with the metering and making sure that you are focused on the right subject? Are you using shutter priority to set the lowest acceptable shutter speed in order to ensure maximum depth of field?

Thanks,
Ron Parr
http://www.jayfleck.com/sony1.html
René
I really enjoyed reading this commentary and I went and checked on
the pictures at the imaging resource. The difference in noise
levels between the two cameras was quite striking.

I also noticed that the lighting seemed a bit harsher with the Sony
picture. I'm not yet a photoshop jock, but I did note that there
is a significant difference in the standard deviatioin of the
luminosity of these two pictures. The luminosity profiles are
also qualitatively different; the sony has a spike in the low end,
while the Nikon has a spike in the high end.

The Nikon was taken at 1/325, f7.5, while the Sony was taken at
1/500, f7.1, so the exposure was different. Even though the
shadows appear to be about the same size in both pictures, it
appears that there is more direct and less ambient light in the
Sony sample, making the shadow areas darker in relative terms. Is
it normal to have more noise in such circumstances?

More generally, this has me wondering how much of these differences
can be attributed to the following:

1. Different lighting conditions for the two photos

2. Different CCD charecteristics/noise filtering algorithms for
the two cameras.

I'm thinking about the S-85 and I'm trying to figure out how noisy
this camera really is. (FWIW, I currently own a CoolPix 950.)
According to Phil's review, the S-85 should be on the low end
compared to other cameras, even the 995. However, based on your
analysis, and some pictures posted here and elsewhere, it seems a
bit noisy. Reds, in particular, seem fuzzy, almost textured, in
some cases. (Check out the shadows on the speedboat in the Steve's
Digicams samples.)

Any further analysis or comments on this question would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Ron Parr
 
Ron,

Here's a shot where I just pushed the macro button and fired. Colors seem very true to me. I like the S75 but I'll be getting the S85 on Friday because of the higher pixels.

Blue Skies

 
That's a mighty impressive shot. I'm getting thirsty just looking at it!

Did you take it in 1280x960, or did you resize it?

Ron Parr
 

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