Apology to Daniele

robert conn II · Jul 13, 2001

Youve hit the nail on the head.

Gourdfather said:
WHY is he usually on the defensive???

Gourdfather said:
And apparently he has no problem telling off some of the
highly respected members of this forum.

My crime was defending myself from a respected member of this forum. And all the nonsense that followed was from others like you coming after me for doing so.

~ Robert

koo22 · Jul 13, 2001

I have tried to avoid this, but Robert I want to tell you to take a flying leap! Can you please just stop??!! You DID tell off respected members of the forum (Jaja, for one example, me (well I like to think I'm respected) for another. The point is we have both been here a very long time and try to be helpful to others. You say you have no problem telling off someone who attacks you.....well, when did I attack you? You disagreed with me about ad blocking and just wouldn't let it go, even when you were proven to be in the minority about it. Jaja didn't attack you either, he reacted to your calling him rude, just as I reacted to your calling me "stupid", a "low skilled hacker" and that I had a "remedial mindset". What do you expect when you throw these terms around at people? As I recall, all I did was ask you to give me a break before the name calling by you started. I want to apologize to the other members of the forum for reacting again, but you've gone over the top, Robert. I also say you have some serious problems with your over-defensiveness and feelings of self importance. I've even had private emails from people who said they admired my "restraint" in my responses to you. Well, my restraint has snapped. This should make you happy, so hopefully you'll leave us all alone now. K.

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Robert Conn II said:
robert conn II said:

And to those who pity poor Robert as being "misunderstood", then
WHY is he usually on the defensive??? Possibly a Olympus SLR Talk
Forum "conspiracy" to make him look bad??

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No maybe its people like you who attack me in the first place when
the initial posts had nothing to do with you. You stick your nose
in but wonder why it's gets bloodied even when you want out.

robert conn II said:

And apparently he has no problem telling off some of the
highly respected members of this forum.

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Who is this you write of? Respected by who? Respected as people or
as photographers? As novice or pro? I have no problem telling
anyone off that attacks me. Your right there.

robert conn II said:

I posted this to apologize to Daniele and vicariously to the rest
of you for my part in this, but tell you what, I don't learn
anything from someone I disrespect, I don't owe them an apology,
and I wouldn't "share" with Robert if his wedding pictures were on
fire!! Just stick to the topic of "proper photography" and you
won't have to defend yoursels so often (except maybe when you try
to use the sledgehammer ))))))))))))))

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Gee I thought thats how this all got started. I was talking about
photography...what was your first post about? Hypocrate, You
started with me and didn't like the outcome now your bitter and
still taking shots at me.
~ Robert

koo22 · Jul 13, 2001

Yes, Robert....we're all coming after you. That's what we all think about as we start our day. We just sit and wait for you to make an appearance, and then POUNCE, our fun starts. If you knew anything about the people here, you'd know that most of us don't attack people without a lot of provocation, which you certainly provided and continue to do so. Now you sound paranoid. Go and take some medication, please. K.

Robert Conn II said:
My crime was defending myself from a respected member of this
forum. And all the nonsense that followed was from others like you
coming after me for doing so.

~ Robert

John Burns · Jul 13, 2001

No crime. Just an example of an ill mannered egotist. Drop it if you possibly can.

John

Robert Conn II said:
My crime was defending myself from a respected member of this
forum. And all the nonsense that followed was from others like you
coming after me for doing so.

~ Robert

Gerald M. Payne · Jul 13, 2001

Robert Conn II wrote:

"Please don't use my words to justify your own actions. Especially when you pick and choose them to serve you."

Robert,

I did preface that post by stating,
"(Robert this is not directed at you, merely an answer to another post)"

and it was merely intended as that -had I wished to direct them back at you, I would have.

But, perhaps we'd all do well to remember that our words are possibly a matter of record once "published" in any public forum. Whether you like it or not, they'll come back to haunt you later if you don't choose them carefully, sometimes even if you do. I'm always careful about what I say, and to whom, online, and in real life, and have made but one apology in years -and that was to other posters who had to read similar drivel as this. I make it again to those fellow users.

By the way, anyone interested in your full words, can easily find your posts in the threads for themselves. In fact, the very posts you keep rotating to the top of the stack by continuing this discussion.

I do hope you noticed that I quoted you exactly in all instances -and not out of context! I further hope you'll get over the sting of this and stop attempting to defend yourself and realize you hold an untenable position. You said what you said, and neatly revealed your motives concerning Jaja publicly -what defense do you have? You'd be far better off directing your energies to helping others than being involved in so many controversial sub-threads and frankly I'm tired of trying to somewhat gently educate you.

Gerald M. Payne · Jul 13, 2001

Robert,

Before you go rewriting history, which anyone can reconstruct from reading this thread and the other, noting the posting times as well as formatting, perhaps you should re-read your words and those of others. You went after Jaja and Gourdfather before anyone went about correcting your behavior. You may make the case that Gourdfather went after you, but he merely cautioned you to calm down, words by which you would have been well served by "listening".

You STARTED this because in your mind Jaja DARED CONTRADICT THE GREAT EGO of Robert Conn II... Like it or not, people have a right to state their opinions as they ALLOW you to do -while they reserve the right to admonish you for being abusive or vindictive in doing so. It's not always what you say that irritates people, it's how it's said or intended in the context of your other posts. They form an overall picture of you and a pretty "gestalt" it is not, of late. Those of us who hang out here and read posts often have a pretty good idea of Jaja's approach and are forming a wicked one of your own.

Be a "Gentleman", suck it up, quit with the multi-dimensional retorts and someone may actually begin regarding your posts based on the knowledge and desire to communicate behind them rather than apparent jealousy over the accolades granted to, or the standing of, another forum participant. This nonsense of backing your position by stating you were something to do with two major portrait studios, blah, blah, blah only serves to demonstrate your need to impress others with your "worth" and the weight of your words. Simply put, "It ain't pretty."

Any way you look at it Robert, you are coming off very badly in these exchanges with a multitude of other forum participants.

Robert Conn II said:
robert conn II said:

WHY is he usually on the defensive???

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robert conn II said:

And apparently he has no problem telling off some of the
highly respected members of this forum.

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My crime was defending myself from a respected member of this
forum. And all the nonsense that followed was from others like you
coming after me for doing so.

~ Robert

Brian Mackey · Jul 13, 2001

Koo22,

Here is a public email for keeping your restraint, YOU GO GIRL!!!!

I'm gonna break my own rule now Robert, Im gonna cuss...
Guess that means you really got the better of me eh?

ROBERT! SHUT THE F# & UP DUDE!

You cant win this, its all over man. You cant fight family and friends with busllshi$ cliche's like aint this a photo forum. Dude, this is family! This is as real as your incredible need of an emotional rescue! I Wish I could help, but you have dissed my friends.

You even hossed the people that have tried to understand you. Thats right, you insulted my family and friends YOU INSULTED ME! Bad times man.. Way bad times.

Please! Please! Please! give it all a rest.....................

Brian

take care Robert, and good luck

koo22 said:
Robert Conn II said:

koo22 said:

And to those who pity poor Robert as being "misunderstood", then
WHY is he usually on the defensive??? Possibly a Olympus SLR Talk
Forum "conspiracy" to make him look bad??

Click to expand...

No maybe its people like you who attack me in the first place when
the initial posts had nothing to do with you. You stick your nose
in but wonder why it's gets bloodied even when you want out.

koo22 said:

And apparently he has no problem telling off some of the
highly respected members of this forum.

Click to expand...

Who is this you write of? Respected by who? Respected as people or
as photographers? As novice or pro? I have no problem telling
anyone off that attacks me. Your right there.

koo22 said:

I posted this to apologize to Daniele and vicariously to the rest
of you for my part in this, but tell you what, I don't learn
anything from someone I disrespect, I don't owe them an apology,
and I wouldn't "share" with Robert if his wedding pictures were on
fire!! Just stick to the topic of "proper photography" and you
won't have to defend yoursels so often (except maybe when you try
to use the sledgehammer ))))))))))))))

Click to expand...

Gee I thought thats how this all got started. I was talking about
photography...what was your first post about? Hypocrate, You
started with me and didn't like the outcome now your bitter and
still taking shots at me.
~ Robert

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Gourdfather · Jul 13, 2001

(sound of turning Robert off)

robert conn II · Jul 15, 2001

Bad move Brian.

So let me get this straight. Your turning on me not because Im wrong but because I offended your friends? I think you need a reality check.

Brian Mackey said:
You cant win this, its all over man. You cant fight family and
friends with busllshi$ cliche's like aint this a photo forum. Dude,
this is family! This is as real as your incredible need of an
emotional rescue! I Wish I could help, but you have dissed my
friends.

Cliche? huh? where did I write that? Ive been "fighting" with the facts where others just resort to critising me and calling me names.etc. And as for the emotional rescue, if you consider these people your family I think you need to get out more.

When I wrote of this community I meant figurativly. And if you side with your friends just because they are friends then you show no objectivity and have no integrety. There, now Ive insulted you. I don't have to win. I only have to make sure your "family" doesn't paint me out to be the agressor when it's obvious Im just defending myself.

So you tell me off then your leaving this board? hmmm Why didn't you just leave and not post? Then I wouldn't have had to respond to you.
~~Robert ( will this strand ever die ) Conn II~~

Frances44305 · Jul 15, 2001

Or learn ITALIAN> > > > > >
People(AMERICANS) thinks I'm a women....HEHEHEHE!

Frances.

Gourdfather said:
I posted this on your original thread, but it is buried at the
bottom...

Daniele,

(If you are still even reading this forum I would like to offer
my personal, and public, apology for my contribution to the decay
of your original thread. Please don't let the thoughtless words of
a few of us (who should know better!!) discourage you from asking
questions and participating in this fine forum. Again, I am sorry
if I have offended you. (You wisely decided to stay out of the fray
I do hope that you were able to glean some good tips out of all
that.

Photography is like art, if it looks good to YOU, then it's good!!
We all like praise and advice from our peers, but one of my
favorite quotes is from "Desiderata" and reads:

"Never compare yourself to others; for there will always be those
greater, or lesser, than you." In other words, take advice,
criticism, etc, for what it's worth, but be true to yourself.

The art of photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and
.1% technical. ANYONE can take technically "perfect" pictures. But
if your heart and soul is not in it, you'll just have "perfect"
photos with no life, no interest, no "impact". The nice thing about
digital is that whenever you take a picture you don't like, delete
it!! Keep the "keepers" and look at what you like about them. Look
closely at those and see if there are areas that could be improved.
If you don't like the eyes, change them the next shot. If you DO
like the eyes, remember what you did and incorporate it into future
shots. Soon, you'll develop your "style", whether that is in formal
studio portraiture, or in fashion, art or nature shots.

Practice, practice, practice and look for what YOU like.

Thanks, and please stop back!!!

John

robert conn II · Jul 15, 2001

Whats wrong now? Did I bring up too many valid points? Make too much sense?

koo22 said:
I have tried to avoid this, but Robert I want to tell you to take a
flying leap! Can you please just stop??!! You DID tell off
respected members of the forum (Jaja, for one example, me (well I
like to think I'm respected) for another. The point is we have
both been here a very long time and try to be helpful to others.

Can I please stop?! Whos the one bringing up a strand weeks old?

And why are you still here? Just dont read it!!! Dont want to read it? Dont click on it. Or better yet. Stop taking more shots at me.

I was trying to be helpful when I gave the poster some tips. How did you try to help him? By defining his/her sex?

koo22 said:
Robert. I also say you have some serious problems with
your over-defensiveness and feelings of self importance.

I am defensive but reading your words above it looks like your the one who has a self importance issue. And I don't care how long youve been here. It doesn't mean you know anything about photography. Don't confuse time spent writing on a message board with expertise. What are your credentials that I should show you respect ( not have an opinion other than yours)?
~ Robert

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