Lens that could not be removed from DS

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About 3 weeks ago I posted about the aftermarket zoom that I could not remove from the DS body.

Well, I finally sent the camera and the ALBINAR ADG 28-85mm f/3.5 - 4.5 to Pentax service. They removed the lens at no charge and sent the DS body and lens back.

I still have n o idea why that lens could not be removed and Pentax would not tell me how they removed it without disassembling the lens. I dare not try putting that lens on the DS again!

If anyone has any information or experience with this situation please share. Thank you.
 
Did this problem only occur with this particular lens?
About 3 weeks ago I posted about the aftermarket zoom that I could
not remove from the DS body.

Well, I finally sent the camera and the ALBINAR ADG 28-85mm f/3.5 -
4.5 to Pentax service. They removed the lens at no charge and sent
the DS body and lens back.

I still have n o idea why that lens could not be removed and Pentax
would not tell me how they removed it without disassembling the
lens. I dare not try putting that lens on the DS again!

If anyone has any information or experience with this situation
please share. Thank you.
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'George
 
Yes... only with that lens.
About 3 weeks ago I posted about the aftermarket zoom that I could
not remove from the DS body.

Well, I finally sent the camera and the ALBINAR ADG 28-85mm f/3.5 -
4.5 to Pentax service. They removed the lens at no charge and sent
the DS body and lens back.

I still have n o idea why that lens could not be removed and Pentax
would not tell me how they removed it without disassembling the
lens. I dare not try putting that lens on the DS again!

If anyone has any information or experience with this situation
please share. Thank you.
--
'George
 
As far as I know this problem happens wit PKR mount lenses. They fit normal K-mounts, but not tha KAF mounts.
About 3 weeks ago I posted about the aftermarket zoom that I could
not remove from the DS body.

Well, I finally sent the camera and the ALBINAR ADG 28-85mm f/3.5 -
4.5 to Pentax service. They removed the lens at no charge and sent
the DS body and lens back.

I still have n o idea why that lens could not be removed and Pentax
would not tell me how they removed it without disassembling the
lens. I dare not try putting that lens on the DS again!

If anyone has any information or experience with this situation
please share. Thank you.
--
'George
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Can you post a picture of the lens mount, so we can see if its actually a PKR
About 3 weeks ago I posted about the aftermarket zoom that I could
not remove from the DS body.

Well, I finally sent the camera and the ALBINAR ADG 28-85mm f/3.5 -
4.5 to Pentax service. They removed the lens at no charge and sent
the DS body and lens back.

I still have n o idea why that lens could not be removed and Pentax
would not tell me how they removed it without disassembling the
lens. I dare not try putting that lens on the DS again!

If anyone has any information or experience with this situation
please share. Thank you.
--
'George
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http://www.culinair.com
 
I read your original post about 3 weeks ago. It had me a little concerned if I bought ANY used lenses. It so happens that I did buy a used lens. So what I did and will continue to do in the future is to attach newly aquired lenses to this old cheap Vivitar 2x teleconverter that I have. My thinking is, that if it will attach and remove from this old TC then it will be OK for attaching to the DS. If a lens that I purchase becomes stuck, like yours did, then I lose the cheap TC and not the use of the DS. Makes sense to me.... how about you?

Ron
About 3 weeks ago I posted about the aftermarket zoom that I could
not remove from the DS body.

Well, I finally sent the camera and the ALBINAR ADG 28-85mm f/3.5 -
4.5 to Pentax service. They removed the lens at no charge and sent
the DS body and lens back.

I still have n o idea why that lens could not be removed and Pentax
would not tell me how they removed it without disassembling the
lens. I dare not try putting that lens on the DS again!

If anyone has any information or experience with this situation
please share. Thank you.
 
I read somewhere that the problem only occured with the DS and not other Pentax cameras. So the teleconverter idea probably shouldn't really give you the protection that you are seeking.
Ron
About 3 weeks ago I posted about the aftermarket zoom that I could
not remove from the DS body.

Well, I finally sent the camera and the ALBINAR ADG 28-85mm f/3.5 -
4.5 to Pentax service. They removed the lens at no charge and sent
the DS body and lens back.

I still have n o idea why that lens could not be removed and Pentax
would not tell me how they removed it without disassembling the
lens. I dare not try putting that lens on the DS again!

If anyone has any information or experience with this situation
please share. Thank you.
 
Maybe that lens was made for later versions of Ricoh? As I know, older Ricohs used original K mount, but later when Pentax made the modified KA mount not free, Ricoh made it's own modifications which are not fully compatible with the Pentax version - the lens can be mounted, but can not be removed.

See more details at http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ about that.

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1. sorry about my english

2. I had same problem width *ist DS and soligor 70-210. This lens works on DS only if aperature ring is set to "A" position, but can be removed only when aperature ring isn't set to "A". Maybe can help to you.
About 3 weeks ago I posted about the aftermarket zoom that I could
not remove from the DS body.

Well, I finally sent the camera and the ALBINAR ADG 28-85mm f/3.5 -
4.5 to Pentax service. They removed the lens at no charge and sent
the DS body and lens back.

I still have n o idea why that lens could not be removed and Pentax
would not tell me how they removed it without disassembling the
lens. I dare not try putting that lens on the DS again!

If anyone has any information or experience with this situation
please share. Thank you.
 
I read your original post about 3 weeks ago. It had me a little
concerned if I bought ANY used lenses. It so happens that I did buy
a used lens. So what I did and will continue to do in the future is
to attach newly aquired lenses to this old cheap Vivitar 2x
teleconverter that I have. My thinking is, that if it will attach
and remove from this old TC then it will be OK for attaching to the
DS. If a lens that I purchase becomes stuck, like yours did, then I
lose the cheap TC and not the use of the DS. Makes sense to me....
how about you?
Please don't rely on this method, unless you plan to use the teleconverter also. I've posted this before, but will again.

For almost 29 years now I've used a MX body with only a few lenses. One of my beloved lenses is a Vivitar 70-150. It was the poor cousin to the original Series 1 70-210. If you couldn't afford the Series 1, you got the 70-150. It is a great little lens that is relatively fast, extreemly well built, weighs a ton (for its size), and is actually rated qute good optically. The lens was marketed with a "matched multiplier". Basically a 2X teleconverter with the optics matched to the 70-150. You didn't have to purchase the matched multiplier if you did not want it . . . but I did.

Now the problem with the Ds . . .

The first time I tried to mount this lens on my brand new Ds, it would not seat correctly. I suppose I could have forced it, but at $1000, I wasn't going to. Upon close inspection, it has a tab that on most lenses is less than a centimeter in width. On this lens, it runs almost half way around the lens. "Dang!", I thought, "I really love this lens".

Now the funny thing . . . the matched multiplier does not have the large flange. It has the short tab that most Pentax bayonet mount cameras have. No problem mounting the matched multiplier on the Ds. Works as designed.

So, if I want to use my 70-150 on the Ds, I can only use it with its matched multiplier (giving me a 140-300 in the 35mm world or a 210-450 in the digital world).

The moral of this story is to NOT rely on a lens fitting a cheap TC thinking it will mount okay of your expensive Ds if it will mount on the TC. Sometimes, it just won't.
 
I could never get that aftermarket lens (an ALBINAR 28-85mm f 3.5-4.5) off of my DS body. I sent everything back to Pentax who turned it around in one day at no charge.

I asked them how they did it without taking everything apart and they said that they had a "tool" that slipped between the lend and the body and dislodged the "pin" that was getting caught in the DS autofocus port which is located at the 4 o'clock position when facing the body with the lens off.

Well, the pin that is causing the trouble is at the 6:30 position when facing the back of the lens. The Pentax customer service person said that this is a "grounding" pin. It is spring loaded and is like a brass "wire" rather than a "ball." This pin only protrudes about 1/64 inch or less but when it slips into the opening for the autofocus it is enough to prevent the lens from rotating enough to be removed from the body.

I believe that Pentax used somwething like a "feeler guage" to slip between the lens and body. Probably 1/1000 of an inch in thickness.

So I solved the problem with this lens by removing the bayonet mount in the rear of the lens which is held by 4 tiny philips head screws. The offending "pin" is held in place by a leaf spring which I was able to bend slightly so that when the front of the lens if facing down the pin slips down and is flush with the surface of the rear lens flange and will not get stuck in the autofocus port. Now the lens is easily removed (as long as I hold the camera with the lens pointing downward when removing it.

As I mentioned, the pin is held in place by a leaf spring which happens to be attached to a wite that leads to an electrical resistor. I am not sure what the function of this arrangement is. Does anyone know???

Finally, this ALBINAR lens seems to take extremely sharp pictures.

If anyone needs a clearer explanation of what I have been talking about (such as those of you who want to use Ricoh lenses)... please e-mail and I will be happy to take some close-up pictures which will show all.
About 3 weeks ago I posted about the aftermarket zoom that I could
not remove from the DS body.

Well, I finally sent the camera and the ALBINAR ADG 28-85mm f/3.5 -
4.5 to Pentax service. They removed the lens at no charge and sent
the DS body and lens back.

I still have n o idea why that lens could not be removed and Pentax
would not tell me how they removed it without disassembling the
lens. I dare not try putting that lens on the DS again!

If anyone has any information or experience with this situation
please share. Thank you.
 
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So I solved the problem with this lens by removing the bayonet
mount in the rear of the lens which is held by 4 tiny philips head
screws. The offending "pin" is held in place by a leaf spring
which I was able to bend slightly so that when the front of the
lens if facing down the pin slips down and is flush with the
surface of the rear lens flange and will not get stuck in the
autofocus port. Now the lens is easily removed (as long as I hold
the camera with the lens pointing downward when removing it.
I have an old Vivitar 70-210mm zoom that wouldn't mount on my DS. (I'm sure glad it wouldn't go on at all, as it probably would've been stuck. I didn't know about this problem until I read it here.) I finally had some time this afternoon so I took it apart and simply removed the pin. I read somewhere that it's from the Ricoh version of the mount, so it shouldn't be necessary on a Pentax. It works fine now. Can't say the lens is worth much, though, but it's just fun knowing I can use it. :-)

(I made sure the empty hole won't cause new problems before mounting the lens. I suppose it would be best to fill it in somehow.)
 
I have a Vivitar 70-210 mm lens I picked up on eBay that also has that wide flange that extends almost have way around the lens. It won't even closely mount on the DS. What camera is that flange intended for, so I can try to resell it and represent it correctly on eBay?

Thanks!
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'The only dumb question is that which goes unasked'
Ron Johnson
http://www.pbase.com/ronk7uv
 
Acutally, that might NOT protect you. The problem is that the "extra" pin gets stuck in the auto-focus slot. The teleextender probabl,y does not have such a slot so you wouldn't have a problem there. But if the lens has the "offensive" pin you could still have trouble.
 
I also bought a Vivitar Series 1 ~ 70 - 200mm F3.5 lens on ebay which had the large flange, and would not fit my *istD.

I simply went out to my workshop, and carefully ground the flange down using a small bench wheel grinder, the type that is used to sharpen knives and file metal.

It takes less than a minute to do. You then simply file the rough edges down afterwards using a file. The only precaution you need to take is to cover the lens and rest of the mount with masking tape to stop any metal fillings getting into the lens barrel or damaging the rear lens element.

Any mechanical garage or engineering worshop in your area will have this grinder and would be prepared to do it for you for a few dollars, if you are not up to the task or are a handyman.

Kind Regards
Richard Higgs
http://www.pbase.com/rhiggs1
“Don’t feel you have to take photos of impressive subjects….
Rather, try to take impressive photos of any subject”.

Photography is 50% photographer, 40% light and 10% equipment.

 

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