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Man, you right! What a waste! People call each other names, get offended, cannot think of anything else, but how to come up with more offensive answer, etc. And this forum was supposed to be place, where people can exchange ideas how to shoot better pictures with E-10...

I'm going back to my pictures, this stuff is too heavy reading for me...

Kirill
davo said:
Man oh man, just wasted too much time reading these threads...
Please, some of you, shut down the computer, spend time with family
and friends, take pictures... don't take this forum so seriously.
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Hello Davo,
davo said:
Man oh man, just wasted too much time reading these threads...
Please, some of you, shut down the computer, spend time with family
and friends, take pictures... don't take this forum so seriously.
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You're right, I'm gonna shut down this computer, go to sleep, preparing for another shooting tomorrow :-)))

Jaja
http://www.belgiumdigital.com
 
Peter Hughes said:
Why are there so few women on photo forums?
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Possibly because they don't have egos to feed or defend and can think of something more productive to do with their time. They also don't have the mine is bigger/better than yours syndrome. We males are a funny lot :-))
John W.
 
I'm glad someone else answered this first, John. Sometimes it seems like such a "mens club". I can tell you as one of the "few women", it's very hard to try and understand the agendas here sometimes. And your "mine is bigger than yours" is really the best way to describe the posturings that take place here. It's very funny. I tell my husband all the time but he just looks at me weird. Well, I guess he's one of them. But I'm sticking around because I like it here, and have gotten used to it. I do wish I had some more company though! K.
John W. said:
Peter Hughes said:
Why are there so few women on photo forums?
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Possibly because they don't have egos to feed or defend and can
think of something more productive to do with their time. They
also don't have the mine is bigger/better than yours syndrome. We
males are a funny lot :-))
John W.
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This is absolutely obscene and apalling!!! I posted MY personal apology to Daniele to be sure she would see it. But once again, Robert Con II (Yes, I'm spelling it that way on purpose) has hijacked my apology and carried over his tirade from the other thread.

I "mistakenly" thought i could post my apology to Daniele here, and in effect to the forum as well. Replies were NOT necessary, but Robert's defensive nature once again got the best of him as he moved his trash over here now.

And to those who pity poor Robert as being "misunderstood", then WHY is he usually on the defensive??? Possibly a Olympus SLR Talk Forum "conspiracy" to make him look bad??

Someone said they have lost all respect for Robert now, but then again he didn't come here to "make friends", only to "learn and share". And apparently he has no problem telling off some of the highly respected members of this forum.

I posted this to apologize to Daniele and vicariously to the rest of you for my part in this, but tell you what, I don't learn anything from someone I disrespect, I don't owe them an apology, and I wouldn't "share" with Robert if his wedding pictures were on fire!! Just stick to the topic of "proper photography" and you won't have to defend yoursels so often (except maybe when you try to use the sledgehammer :)))))))))))))))

Thanks for ther kind note, Daniele, and PLEASE feel free to join in with us.

John
Gourdfather said:
I posted this on your original thread, but it is buried at the
bottom...

Daniele,

(If you are still even reading this forum :( I would like to offer
my personal, and public, apology for my contribution to the decay
of your original thread. Please don't let the thoughtless words of
a few of us (who should know better!!) discourage you from asking
questions and participating in this fine forum. Again, I am sorry
if I have offended you. (You wisely decided to stay out of the fray
:) I do hope that you were able to glean some good tips out of all
that.

Photography is like art, if it looks good to YOU, then it's good!!
We all like praise and advice from our peers, but one of my
favorite quotes is from "Desiderata" and reads:

"Never compare yourself to others; for there will always be those
greater, or lesser, than you." In other words, take advice,
criticism, etc, for what it's worth, but be true to yourself.

The art of photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and
.1% technical. ANYONE can take technically "perfect" pictures. But
if your heart and soul is not in it, you'll just have "perfect"
photos with no life, no interest, no "impact". The nice thing about
digital is that whenever you take a picture you don't like, delete
it!! Keep the "keepers" and look at what you like about them. Look
closely at those and see if there are areas that could be improved.
If you don't like the eyes, change them the next shot. If you DO
like the eyes, remember what you did and incorporate it into future
shots. Soon, you'll develop your "style", whether that is in formal
studio portraiture, or in fashion, art or nature shots.

Practice, practice, practice and look for what YOU like.

Thanks, and please stop back!!!

John
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Troy Williams wrote:

"I think a whole lot of apologies are in order. Robert gave some of the only valid feedback in the whole thread started by a question of "What do you think about my E-10 shot?" I read and re-read his responses and I honestly don't know how anyone took offense to what he initially said. Calling him a buffoon and a braying donkey is just ridiculous."

(Robert this is not directed at you, merely an answer to another post)

Well, I didn't specify that his original post made him sound like a braying donkey or a buffoon! So let me be specific, if I must:

He started out by specifically pointing out what someone had done wrong -in his opinion, with all the tact of, as previously stated, a sledgehammer. Then followed up by flaming another poster's outlook:

"Wow you can tell what she would like and dislike just by looking at a photo? Guess we can throw out all these rules we've been using for so long. ~ Robert"

He's obviously miffed that Jaja dared present another way of looking at the shots, while having already formed his own opinions about what type of shot it was intended to be and whether posed or not... Then followed that up by adding to the abuse:

"I wrote that because jaja has taken little jabs at my remarks, on this post and on others. It's like added to the mix without really adding anything. I suppose I could have done what he did and renamed a well known and widely used technique and renamed it after myself. Yes that is what I'll do."

I'm sorry, but I didn't find any of that constructive at all, I found it to be the ravings of someone acting the buffoon over another incident that still had him smarting rather than letting sleeping dogs lie... A lot you said something to me, now I have to say it back to you... NYAH, NYAH.

How's that for being specific?

That said, I'd greatly prefer to deal with Robert than those too blind to see what's available for all to read.
 
Robert,

There's a feeling of community here, and as such a small society, since individuals make up that society you need only read the number of posts that disagree with your approach to see that you are not making friends or impressing anyone with your attitude. You may be knowledgeable, but certainly look foolish if you have to defend your attitudes to so many. I'm not saying you have to be a good little boy and conform, but you could ease up a notch or seven?

If not mistaken(and I'M NOT) you took the cheap shot at Jaja in the other thread when he was just expressing his opinion of what was going on in the posing situation.
Robert Conn II said:
robert conn II said:
the person who said it's all well and good to have useful
information (as Robert did), but it's more important HOW it's said
in this type of forum environment. K.
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That is complete nonsence. So that means you and others determine
and define how I answer somones question? So not only do I have to
answer the question of the person that asked I have to write it in
a way to please the other readers? Give me a break. I gave a
straight forward answer without flowering it. As Danielle didn't
thank the people that posted I dont know how she took our advice.

And as for the other strand that offended you so much... it looks
like your trying to do here what you did that made me go off in the
first place. your trying to control things to make them how you
want them. You may have noticed that I (unlike others) have not
written about that strand as the things I had to say about it I
left there. Now people are throwing that strand up in my face when
they wouldn't engage me in discussion there.
You didn't want somone else to dictate what you had to look
at...well don't try to dictate to me what I say and how I say it.

I thank everyone that has defended me on these strands. I think the
reason they continue to go after me is because they look for things
to offend them now. The people that have gone back and read the
posts know the truth of the matter. And the only reason I go to
these legnths is because I don't ever let somone take a cheap shot
at me. Dont start with me and you won't have to read my rants.
~ Robert
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Robert,

You can find my replies in the other thread and in this one. I have respect for your knowledge, but little for your judgement or your ability to read people. I called you a braying donkey and buffoon based not on your initial post(though it was as heavy handed and crushing a post as anyone would need to completely turn them off to anything they thought might be good enough to post!), but based instead on your flaming of Gourdfather and Jaja. You clearly stated you did one jab because of a previous (imagined?) sleight, what does that sound like? Not contributing, just defending your position... A wiser man might wonder why he found himself having to do so much defending on so many fronts.

More flies with honey and all that.(Yes, I'll try to remember that before calling someone a buffoon next time -but I'm human and have my failings as well.) By the way, I did chime in on the other strand stating that I thought there are two ways at least to look at the intent of the photo, photographer, and model. I stand by my (personal, and unstated 'til now) judgement that the model was a reasonably talented amateur of the type who as Jaja suggested may not shine as well, if at all, if posed.

I think you're very likely one of those people who puts more emphasis on always being right than whether or not anyone hears what they have to say. There's a lot to be said for being correct, but it's pointless if no one bothers to listen or cares because of your delivery. It's also pointless in matters of opinion where there is more than one way to look at something without preconceived notions getting in the way.

As for the buffoon or braying donkey bits, I call them like I see them. Change my mind with your future behavior. I dare you, sir. I, for one, would like to see you present your knowledge and do people the service you seem to wish to intend.

Further, "nuff said" merely indicated I'd finished saying what I thought needed saying. Dear me, there you go with that poor judgement working in overdrive again... You really do sound as though you're constantly trying to read something vindictive into everything one writes.

By the way, if you check the times on my posts you'll see I contributed to the Danielle thread before stating my opinion concerning your actions there in this thread. I, unlike some others, have little to prove to anyone, but myself. That, you may note for future reference, can be considered the mark of an adult.
 
The apology to the guy that thanked Robert for his coments to him is a little weird since Dan made it clear he liked Roberts comments.

I don't get it. Did the people here picking on Robert actually read the orginal posters reponse to Robert thanking him for his comments?

Just observing this little bit of absurdity. Also, make a note, Dan is a guy not a gal by his own words in the other thread - not that that should make a difference, but it seems to on this place.

John Mason - Lafayette, IN

Normally stay out of this type of stuff, but I don't get this one at all :)
 
John,

I think you need to pay attention to the time the posts were made as well as the order they appear in order to sort it out.

That'll probably make a bit more sense of it all. Though, sadly, you have a great point about how senseless much of this is. I'm particularly sorry I got it going again. I'll take the blame for that -it was my fault. The trouble with a forum is that there's no place to take someone aside for a private "chat" about their attitude as is occassionally required in real life. I detest using email for that. I'm also positive that if some posters knew their friends and colleagues would see their posts they'd behave differently.
John Mason said:
The apology to the guy that thanked Robert for his coments to him
is a little weird since Dan made it clear he liked Roberts comments.

I don't get it. Did the people here picking on Robert actually
read the orginal posters reponse to Robert thanking him for his
comments?

Just observing this little bit of absurdity. Also, make a note,
Dan is a guy not a gal by his own words in the other thread - not
that that should make a difference, but it seems to on this place.

John Mason - Lafayette, IN

Normally stay out of this type of stuff, but I don't get this one
at all :)
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Format.....do you know how difficult this is to read?
Robert Conn II said:
Jaja if that were true then why didn't you just respond and explain
that? You have done this before, you have written somthing that
contradicts me and then left the strand. Your post ( as I
understand it) was this... yeah there are rules to photography but
I don't think this person would be comfortable following these
rules. That is an arogant and pompous thing to write when you don't
know either of these women. These basic compositional rules have
been around hundreds of years. The pose this sitter was in is a
standard pose and not somthing the photographer invented. It is
used every day in photo studios. What I tried to explain to her was
not just what to do...but why it's done that way. In this way she
would have learned not just this pose but a framework to work from.
Then you come along and say that you don't think it would apply to
this sitter. I'm sorry if I took it wrong but that is exactly how I
took it. I understand you do a whole lot of shooting and are
respected here. But don't take jabs at stuff that is common to all
pro shooters. You do the peson Im trying to help a disservice and
yourself one also. I did not invent this pose or the reasons why we
use it. So I was not personally offended by what you said. I was
offended that you just dismiss it with a few words. You don't have
to follow the rules 100% of the time but when you know what the
rules are it enables you to break them in ways that still make
sense in the image. It takes more than a camera to be a
photograper. It takes knowledge of how to capture what you want to
capture. Otherwise you are just taking snapshots. That's what the
images on her website looked like to me. I took these kind of shots
too early in my career. Then I learned the things I didn't
understand and now Im free to express myself how I see fit, because
I know the elements that must be in an image to make somone want to
look at it. I compliment people's work on these boards all the
time. But when I have somthing to share with a person thats what I
focus my post on so I dont lose track of my thoughts. I wrote my
response while trying to remember all the things in the image. If I
were to dress it up I would have forgotten things. I'm not being
paid to help so I wasnt going to print it out and look at it while
wrote my response. I did however go to her site to get a deeper
understanding on where she is as a photographer. Im not saying she
is good or bad as she still appears to have a lot lof learning to
do. That may not be nice to read but that's the truth. By my
professional standards, and with the knowledge gained from almost
20 years as a photographer and being trained by two of the largest
portrait studios in the US that was my advice to her. I know you
think highly of yourself, but so do others here. You should be more
careful where you lay down ill thought out statments.

When all is said and done Im not here to make friends, Im here to
learn and also to share with others.

~ Robert
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Hi,
Someone said that "the pen is mightier than the sword". It is... here!

It is mighty bad, and it is mighty good... right here in our beloved e10 forum. I'm convinced that some folks do not know how to write conversations... they type things way too strongly, leaving behind words they (may) later regret. I think that happened in this thread.
Gourdfather regretted typing/saying some things... and he apologized.
That is beautiful and admirable!
Some of you typed and said some things IMHO you should apologize for.
That is ugly and sad!

Just remember that this IS one of the very best e10 forums in the world, but it will be what we all make it: beatiful and admirable or ugly and sad.
Why don't we make our forum as beautiful as our e10 pictures? PLEASE?
Bill Hansen
Gerald M. Payne said:
I think you need to pay attention to the time the posts were made
as well as the order they appear in order to sort it out.

That'll probably make a bit more sense of it all. Though, sadly,
you have a great point about how senseless much of this is. I'm
particularly sorry I got it going again. I'll take the blame for
that -it was my fault. The trouble with a forum is that there's no
place to take someone aside for a private "chat" about their
attitude as is occassionally required in real life. I detest using
email for that. I'm also positive that if some posters knew their
friends and colleagues would see their posts they'd behave
differently.
John Mason said:
The apology to the guy that thanked Robert for his coments to him
is a little weird since Dan made it clear he liked Roberts comments.

I don't get it. Did the people here picking on Robert actually
read the orginal posters reponse to Robert thanking him for his
comments?

Just observing this little bit of absurdity. Also, make a note,
Dan is a guy not a gal by his own words in the other thread - not
that that should make a difference, but it seems to on this place.

John Mason - Lafayette, IN

Normally stay out of this type of stuff, but I don't get this one
at all :)
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Hi Gourdfather,

This post may appear to be a ridiculous premise, posting an even more ridiculous question, BUT.... a couple of the postings of Daniele in the "Woman's Portrait" thread lead me to believe that perhaps there has been a pretty big mis=understanding as to Daniele's gender. I will provide links to the 2 in question:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&page=1&message=1260799

In this posting Daniele tells us that the portrait of the woman is not a self portrait and ends the post with a big red smile, almost as if to be chuckling at the self-portrait suggestion.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&page=1&message=1271634

In this posting Daniele tells us tha t "I am a novice that loves his new digital toy" This was the last posting of Daniele. I wonder if there hasn't been a misunderstand/mistake that could have in fact been somewhat of an embarrassment to Daniele and in fact all of us who assumed that Daniele, because of the name, is female.

This presents an even more interesting question and socioligical study in that if we had KNOWN that Daniele was perhaps male, would there have been such an outpouring of support for the crititcism of the original Woman's Portrait. I find this all pretty fascinating, in that I think more than a few of us saw the beautiful woman in the portrait and even though Daniele denied that it was a "self-portrait" continued to link this beauty to our "vision" of Daniele. If you found out that Daniele is male what response "emotionally" would you have to your support posts and this thread's dynamics????

I certainly could be ALL WRONG here, but even if that is in fact the case, still provokes some interesting thought I think re: gender based roles, sexualization, etc. Curt A.

P.S. Daniele originally posted using the screen name "Antares 4". Here's a statement full of potential sexist interpretation, but certainly not meant as such.....Daniele's/Antares4's postings and web-site/photos just don't have the "feel" of being done by a female
My sincerest apologies to Daniele if my assumption is incorrect!!!!!
Gourdfather said:
I posted this on your original thread, but it is buried at the
bottom...

Daniele,

(If you are still even reading this forum :( I would like to offer
my personal, and public, apology for my contribution to the decay
of your original thread. Please don't let the thoughtless words of
a few of us (who should know better!!) discourage you from asking
questions and participating in this fine forum. Again, I am sorry
if I have offended you. (You wisely decided to stay out of the fray
:) I do hope that you were able to glean some good tips out of all
that.

Photography is like art, if it looks good to YOU, then it's good!!
We all like praise and advice from our peers, but one of my
favorite quotes is from "Desiderata" and reads:

"Never compare yourself to others; for there will always be those
greater, or lesser, than you." In other words, take advice,
criticism, etc, for what it's worth, but be true to yourself.

The art of photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and
.1% technical. ANYONE can take technically "perfect" pictures. But
if your heart and soul is not in it, you'll just have "perfect"
photos with no life, no interest, no "impact". The nice thing about
digital is that whenever you take a picture you don't like, delete
it!! Keep the "keepers" and look at what you like about them. Look
closely at those and see if there are areas that could be improved.
If you don't like the eyes, change them the next shot. If you DO
like the eyes, remember what you did and incorporate it into future
shots. Soon, you'll develop your "style", whether that is in formal
studio portraiture, or in fashion, art or nature shots.

Practice, practice, practice and look for what YOU like.

Thanks, and please stop back!!!

John
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Please!

Brian
Curt A. said:
Gourdfather said:
I posted this on your original thread, but it is buried at the
bottom...

Daniele,

(If you are still even reading this forum :( I would like to offer
my personal, and public, apology for my contribution to the decay
of your original thread. Please don't let the thoughtless words of
a few of us (who should know better!!) discourage you from asking
questions and participating in this fine forum. Again, I am sorry
if I have offended you. (You wisely decided to stay out of the fray
:) I do hope that you were able to glean some good tips out of all
that.

Photography is like art, if it looks good to YOU, then it's good!!
We all like praise and advice from our peers, but one of my
favorite quotes is from "Desiderata" and reads:

"Never compare yourself to others; for there will always be those
greater, or lesser, than you." In other words, take advice,
criticism, etc, for what it's worth, but be true to yourself.

The art of photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and
.1% technical. ANYONE can take technically "perfect" pictures. But
if your heart and soul is not in it, you'll just have "perfect"
photos with no life, no interest, no "impact". The nice thing about
digital is that whenever you take a picture you don't like, delete
it!! Keep the "keepers" and look at what you like about them. Look
closely at those and see if there are areas that could be improved.
If you don't like the eyes, change them the next shot. If you DO
like the eyes, remember what you did and incorporate it into future
shots. Soon, you'll develop your "style", whether that is in formal
studio portraiture, or in fashion, art or nature shots.

Practice, practice, practice and look for what YOU like.

Thanks, and please stop back!!!

John
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John, it's a "open" forum, and everytime we reply, (argh) as Im doing now, it fuels the flame. Lets move on, also "consider the outcome below "By Lewis Carrol." Sums it up for me in my warped existance.

Respect is a hard thing to earn, and even harder to get back once its tainted. I KNOW! :)

I think everyone knows at this point who will have to work very very hard, to, well how should I put this, "get help with wedding pictures at least" :)

Have a great, peacfull E-10 kinda day

peace~out

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'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought-
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jaberwock?
Come to my arms, by beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did grye and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

Lewis Carroll
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gourdfather said:
I "mistakenly" thought i could post my apology to Daniele here, and
in effect to the forum as well. Replies were NOT necessary, but
Robert's defensive nature once again got the best of him as he
moved his trash over here now.

And to those who pity poor Robert as being "misunderstood", then
WHY is he usually on the defensive??? Possibly a Olympus SLR Talk
Forum "conspiracy" to make him look bad??

Someone said they have lost all respect for Robert now, but then
again he didn't come here to "make friends", only to "learn and
share". And apparently he has no problem telling off some of the
highly respected members of this forum.

I posted this to apologize to Daniele and vicariously to the rest
of you for my part in this, but tell you what, I don't learn
anything from someone I disrespect, I don't owe them an apology,
and I wouldn't "share" with Robert if his wedding pictures were on
fire!! Just stick to the topic of "proper photography" and you
won't have to defend yoursels so often (except maybe when you try
to use the sledgehammer :)))))))))))))))

Thanks for ther kind note, Daniele, and PLEASE feel free to join in
with us.

John
Gourdfather said:
I posted this on your original thread, but it is buried at the
bottom...

Daniele,

(If you are still even reading this forum :( I would like to offer
my personal, and public, apology for my contribution to the decay
of your original thread. Please don't let the thoughtless words of
a few of us (who should know better!!) discourage you from asking
questions and participating in this fine forum. Again, I am sorry
if I have offended you. (You wisely decided to stay out of the fray
:) I do hope that you were able to glean some good tips out of all
that.

Photography is like art, if it looks good to YOU, then it's good!!
We all like praise and advice from our peers, but one of my
favorite quotes is from "Desiderata" and reads:

"Never compare yourself to others; for there will always be those
greater, or lesser, than you." In other words, take advice,
criticism, etc, for what it's worth, but be true to yourself.

The art of photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and
.1% technical. ANYONE can take technically "perfect" pictures. But
if your heart and soul is not in it, you'll just have "perfect"
photos with no life, no interest, no "impact". The nice thing about
digital is that whenever you take a picture you don't like, delete
it!! Keep the "keepers" and look at what you like about them. Look
closely at those and see if there are areas that could be improved.
If you don't like the eyes, change them the next shot. If you DO
like the eyes, remember what you did and incorporate it into future
shots. Soon, you'll develop your "style", whether that is in formal
studio portraiture, or in fashion, art or nature shots.

Practice, practice, practice and look for what YOU like.

Thanks, and please stop back!!!

John
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I'm sorry to say that Curt is correct. See:

http://www.ticino.com/usr/dmarcis/index.htm

and select "Mi presento" in the Webmaster section at the bottom right.
BGC said:
Brian
Curt A. said:
Gourdfather said:
I posted this on your original thread, but it is buried at the
bottom...

Daniele,

(If you are still even reading this forum :( I would like to offer
my personal, and public, apology for my contribution to the decay
of your original thread. Please don't let the thoughtless words of
a few of us (who should know better!!) discourage you from asking
questions and participating in this fine forum. Again, I am sorry
if I have offended you. (You wisely decided to stay out of the fray
:) I do hope that you were able to glean some good tips out of all
that.

Photography is like art, if it looks good to YOU, then it's good!!
We all like praise and advice from our peers, but one of my
favorite quotes is from "Desiderata" and reads:

"Never compare yourself to others; for there will always be those
greater, or lesser, than you." In other words, take advice,
criticism, etc, for what it's worth, but be true to yourself.

The art of photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and
.1% technical. ANYONE can take technically "perfect" pictures. But
if your heart and soul is not in it, you'll just have "perfect"
photos with no life, no interest, no "impact". The nice thing about
digital is that whenever you take a picture you don't like, delete
it!! Keep the "keepers" and look at what you like about them. Look
closely at those and see if there are areas that could be improved.
If you don't like the eyes, change them the next shot. If you DO
like the eyes, remember what you did and incorporate it into future
shots. Soon, you'll develop your "style", whether that is in formal
studio portraiture, or in fashion, art or nature shots.

Practice, practice, practice and look for what YOU like.

Thanks, and please stop back!!!

John
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Jaja - Belgium Digital said:
  • As long as people respect eachother and they're opinion, no
problem at all, but that's not what you're doing here
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Were you showing respect for me when you wrote that a person you didn't know would not be comfortable applying the rules of this well established pose? It's one thing to say , I think this way would have been better...but your post made no sense other than contradicting mine.
Member said:
Member said:
P.S. I think if you write something you should at least come back
to see what others have said.
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Member said:
My reply to "Danielle" was not intended to have some follow-up, so
I didn't go back to that thread for a while. Is that a reason to
call me "rude"?
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I think you should stand behind your words. Not just drop a few critical words and leave. That would be like me jumping on a strand, posting " I dont like that photo" and then leaving and not returning. What is the point of sharing my oppinion if I am not willing to explain it further? What if somone had a question about your post? That is what I meant about being rude.
Member said:
  • it's obvious you don't want to have friends over here although some does a serious effort
to have a decent communication.
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Thats not rue...I have made friends here. But helping people learn and getting more info myself is more important to me than letting someone take cheap shots at my knowledge and letting it go.
Member said:
Regarding the "Jaja test" - wrong again Robert, wrong again - your
personal misinterpretation! I had nothing to do with giving it that
name ...
The "jaja test" wasn't called that way by myself, It were other
members in this forum that gave it that name.
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Well sir, you may not have givin the name to yourself but I first read it from your post. You said you give all your shots the jaja test and then explained it. Therefor you used it as such. People don't read all of your posts and follow you around the boards to know where somthing begins. But you most definatly used the term yourself. That is how I learned of it.
Member said:
Believe what you want, write what you want, do what you want, but
you've lost all respect I ever had for you.
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If you would have shown me this respect that you "had" for me we wouldn't be wasting our time on this thread.
Member said:
BTW, I'm not only writing this as an answer to you - just to inform
the other partcipants of this forum - they're entitled to know how
things really are ...
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I couldn't agree more. That's why I have gone to the legnths that I have to explain myself. And all it's gotten me is more flak. Seems the only people that understand my position are the ones who were not offended by my post to you.
 
If Dan was going to read your apology he would have. What difference does it make what posts come after it?
Gourdfather said:
And to those who pity poor Robert as being "misunderstood", then
WHY is he usually on the defensive??? Possibly a Olympus SLR Talk
Forum "conspiracy" to make him look bad??
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No maybe its people like you who attack me in the first place when the initial posts had nothing to do with you. You stick your nose in but wonder why it's gets bloodied even when you want out.
Gourdfather said:
And apparently he has no problem telling off some of the
highly respected members of this forum.
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Who is this you write of? Respected by who? Respected as people or as photographers? As novice or pro? I have no problem telling anyone off that attacks me. Your right there.
Gourdfather said:
I posted this to apologize to Daniele and vicariously to the rest
of you for my part in this, but tell you what, I don't learn
anything from someone I disrespect, I don't owe them an apology,
and I wouldn't "share" with Robert if his wedding pictures were on
fire!! Just stick to the topic of "proper photography" and you
won't have to defend yoursels so often (except maybe when you try
to use the sledgehammer :)))))))))))))))
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Gee I thought thats how this all got started. I was talking about photography...what was your first post about? Hypocrate, You started with me and didn't like the outcome now your bitter and still taking shots at me.
~ Robert
 
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