whatta freaking day *OT*

I made those comments earlier in this thread. It's not their fault, mac is a religion. Can't really blame them. The PC sucks. My processor gets so hot that you can't touch the heatsink (which is fan cooled), they call this "normal"

The RISC processors in the mac are much more efficient.
Jason
Dear Agent,

Apple may have your answer!
--
Joel Kifer
Anacortes, WA
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
 
in a huffy. I have never used one nor do I want to. I know its a great system and I surely cant knock it. Just enjoy giving Mac users a hard time when I can. I suspect I will get some flack over this. I love my PC and have no problems with it.

Andy said Macs can automatically backup to CD. So can my PC.

Jason
The RISC processors in the mac are much more efficient.
Jason
Dear Agent,

Apple may have your answer!
--
Joel Kifer
Anacortes, WA
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
 
on what he means by automatically. My PC will backup to CD and DVD automatically to. Once I train my robot to swap out the media, mine really will be automatic....:)

Jason
re constantly
on. My only problem is the amount of work I did. Mac is better in
lots of ways, but as far as I know, it won't back to CD
automatically.
yup it will
 
You mean you dont have to backup a Mac. Cool. You dont have to
uninstall programs either. Wow....I do need to get one.

Jason
you don't unistall. you simply toss the program in the trash. no pesky "this program might be used by others, do you want to delete it? questions. no registry crud either :)

of course you have to backup a mac - if you're smart... hard drives fail! but backup is automatic as can be, jason. my system backs up nightly to an external harddrive. and this is after i'm already raided onboard drives. and, with .mac, i have all of my preferences (app prefs) and bookmarks (favorites) as well as most any other file i cuould want, backed up nightly to my own webspace @ .mac - it's way easy to use and configure, takes all of a minute or two - once - and then done. i can be on a public computer in a cafe and still have access to my favorites, just by going to .mac

way cool. way easy. way backed up:)
 
If everyone would get on board with .net you could have the same ability to just erase a program on a Windows system. Thats a big if though.

My PC backs up nightly to an external hard drive automatically to, so thats not a Mac only feature. I also have onboard raid, although I choose not to use it. I also have software which will backup all important files including favorites, email, app prefs and so on automatically so I dont have to search and find the folders they are stored in. There are many backup programs available for the PC which will aid in getting these important files backed up without any hassle. So that not an issue with PC's either. Backing up to a web server is also possible with a PC. Sorry, you will never convince me a Mac is better. Been playing with PC's way too long and I love them.

Not trying to start a Mac vs PC argument here, but the PC can do anything the Mac can do and vise versa. They are both incredible machines and there is room in this world for both of them.

Use what you will and enjoy it. I surely enjoy my PC's

Have a good weekend Andy
Jason
you don't unistall. you simply toss the program in the trash. no
pesky "this program might be used by others, do you want to
delete it? questions. no registry crud either :)

of course you have to backup a mac - if you're smart... hard drives
fail! but backup is automatic as can be, jason. my system backs
up nightly to an external harddrive. and this is after i'm already
raided onboard drives. and, with .mac, i have all of my
preferences (app prefs) and bookmarks (favorites) as well as most
any other file i cuould want, backed up nightly to my own webspace
@ .mac - it's way easy to use and configure, takes all of a minute
or two - once - and then done. i can be on a public computer in a
cafe and still have access to my favorites, just by going to .mac

way cool. way easy. way backed up:)
 
people are so stuck on which one is better...

its not that simple. load certain programs. the mac will win. load others. the PC will win.

and comparing which one is more vulnerable makes no sense whatsoever. the mac is not less vulnerable, its just not a target. if i wanted to write code to annoy the rest of the world... i wouldn't write it to affect 5% of the population. 'nix based systems just aren't widespread enough. make no mistake though, this doesn't make them secure.

and i agree again. anything a MAC can do, a PC can do. and the same applies in the opposite direction.

people will argue about this forever... pointless IMO. buy what you want and dont press the rest of us...

ed
My PC backs up nightly to an external hard drive automatically to,
so thats not a Mac only feature. I also have onboard raid, although
I choose not to use it. I also have software which will backup all
important files including favorites, email, app prefs and so on
automatically so I dont have to search and find the folders they
are stored in. There are many backup programs available for the PC
which will aid in getting these important files backed up without
any hassle. So that not an issue with PC's either. Backing up to a
web server is also possible with a PC. Sorry, you will never
convince me a Mac is better. Been playing with PC's way too long
and I love them.

Not trying to start a Mac vs PC argument here, but the PC can do
anything the Mac can do and vise versa. They are both incredible
machines and there is room in this world for both of them.

Use what you will and enjoy it. I surely enjoy my PC's

Have a good weekend Andy
Jason
you don't unistall. you simply toss the program in the trash. no
pesky "this program might be used by others, do you want to
delete it? questions. no registry crud either :)

of course you have to backup a mac - if you're smart... hard drives
fail! but backup is automatic as can be, jason. my system backs
up nightly to an external harddrive. and this is after i'm already
raided onboard drives. and, with .mac, i have all of my
preferences (app prefs) and bookmarks (favorites) as well as most
any other file i cuould want, backed up nightly to my own webspace
@ .mac - it's way easy to use and configure, takes all of a minute
or two - once - and then done. i can be on a public computer in a
cafe and still have access to my favorites, just by going to .mac

way cool. way easy. way backed up:)
--



ed murphy ----------- AIM: monky9000
 
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx

Virtual PC exists for the PC as well as the Mac. You can even convert a hard disk file created for the PC version to work on the Mac with the Mac version.

If you try the 45 day trial version and all of your programs run, it would be nice to know... in case this happens again. If the program runs on the PC version, it is likely (though not guaranteed, of course) that it would run on the Mac.
I had the original Mac, The Mac Plus and the Mac classic. Then the
quadra. Mac was good to me for a long time.

I always knew betamax was better than VHS, but I believed the hype
about the future of the PC. I jumped on the bandwagon.

Ahhh, the PC. Built on the premise that a personal computer would
never need more than 640k of ram, and a HD that would never exceed
10mB.

My sisters mac runs windows faster than any pc can.

If I had to do it all over again it would be a mac. Sadly, I have
too much invested in software, and I know windows pretty well. I'm
not ready to learn a new platform.

Cheers
I ran my business on an old Quadra (It wasn't old at the time).
Switched to a PC when my hardware would only go as far as OS 7.2.
What a mistake that was.
Hey Rich, you're tongue's usually so well planted in your cheek
that I genuinely need to ask what you intended by "mistake" ;-)

So was your mistake the switch to Wintel, or the original Quadra
acquisition?

I've been burned by both camps in various ways, and I've always
been ready to give plenty of stick to each as well as praise where
it's due. Mine was (still is, actually) a Quadra 840AV, one of two
identical systems (with a colleague) acquired on Christmas Eve 1993
for a defence dept. tech editing project of which they did a
marvellous job and gave us a marked advantage over a very large
contractor doing complementary work.

We selected the 840AV after much chewing of nails over whether it
would be better to wait a couple of months for the PowerMac. But we
went with the personal assurance (at a rather swank seminar) of one
of the top Apple people in Australia that it would be fully
upgradable. So guess which was the only model from that era of
Quadras that in the end turned out to be not upgradable?
Grrrrrr........!!!

On the productivity side, I recall feeding a 1.5 MB Quark file on
it, with over 250 MB of linked photographs, into a LaserWriterII
that had all of 2 MB of installed RAM. An hour or so later there
was the job, with no fuss at all.

By contrast, one of my early encounters with Windows (3.1) needed
me to routinely print an 11-page spreadsheet (of about 450 kB) on a
LaserJet III, also with 2 MB of on-board RAM. It choked completely,
requiring the print job to always be split in two. And that's not
to mention that greater curiosity of the day known as "page
protection"! ;-)

If there was ever a word that encapsulated the Mac system
advantage, right from the beginning, that word has to be "seamless".

Cheers,

Mike
Melbourne

--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
--
Jon
http://cybermice.smugmug.com
 
I hate computers. I use them on the road, at work and at home.

When it comes to photography I miss the earthy feel of the wet
darkroom. Things were so much simpler then. f/8 @ 15 seconds. Just
like that, a picture.

I just spent the last 5 hours backing up my hard drive. Countless
discs. Run Adware, HiJack This, Spybot, AdAware, defrag. Remove
unused programs and dead end DLL's.

What a ton of work. Yuck. What does any of this have to do with
photography?

--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
When blueray arrives, backup might be easier.
Right now, backup on DVD spans several disc.

And my system is getting dead slow.
About time for me to do the same.

Dreaded chore

Manfred
 
Rich,

Snapshot your computer at regular intervals. That way a full recovery takes less than 30 minutes. I know that's not what you want to hear now 'cause you're venting. :P

Computers....&^%ing computers. I work with daily. The onyl thing worse than computers is MS.

quote: A computer without MS is like a cat without an ashtray.
 
Quit pushing my buttons



I already feel like



Time to sleep, everyone have a marvelous night
I hate computers. I use them on the road, at work and at home.

When it comes to photography I miss the earthy feel of the wet
darkroom. Things were so much simpler then. f/8 @ 15 seconds. Just
like that, a picture.

I just spent the last 5 hours backing up my hard drive. Countless
discs. Run Adware, HiJack This, Spybot, AdAware, defrag. Remove
unused programs and dead end DLL's.

What a ton of work. Yuck. What does any of this have to do with
photography?

--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
 
20D = $1500
CF = #400
70-200 = $800
12-24 = $600

Waddya think I'm made out of money :-(

Tell ya what, you got a great idea. Wanna lend me some cash :-)

My sis runs virtual PC, absolutely smokes a PC, no doubt.
I had the original Mac, The Mac Plus and the Mac classic. Then the
quadra. Mac was good to me for a long time.

I always knew betamax was better than VHS, but I believed the hype
about the future of the PC. I jumped on the bandwagon.

Ahhh, the PC. Built on the premise that a personal computer would
never need more than 640k of ram, and a HD that would never exceed
10mB.

My sisters mac runs windows faster than any pc can.

If I had to do it all over again it would be a mac. Sadly, I have
too much invested in software, and I know windows pretty well. I'm
not ready to learn a new platform.

Cheers
I ran my business on an old Quadra (It wasn't old at the time).
Switched to a PC when my hardware would only go as far as OS 7.2.
What a mistake that was.
Hey Rich, you're tongue's usually so well planted in your cheek
that I genuinely need to ask what you intended by "mistake" ;-)

So was your mistake the switch to Wintel, or the original Quadra
acquisition?

I've been burned by both camps in various ways, and I've always
been ready to give plenty of stick to each as well as praise where
it's due. Mine was (still is, actually) a Quadra 840AV, one of two
identical systems (with a colleague) acquired on Christmas Eve 1993
for a defence dept. tech editing project of which they did a
marvellous job and gave us a marked advantage over a very large
contractor doing complementary work.

We selected the 840AV after much chewing of nails over whether it
would be better to wait a couple of months for the PowerMac. But we
went with the personal assurance (at a rather swank seminar) of one
of the top Apple people in Australia that it would be fully
upgradable. So guess which was the only model from that era of
Quadras that in the end turned out to be not upgradable?
Grrrrrr........!!!

On the productivity side, I recall feeding a 1.5 MB Quark file on
it, with over 250 MB of linked photographs, into a LaserWriterII
that had all of 2 MB of installed RAM. An hour or so later there
was the job, with no fuss at all.

By contrast, one of my early encounters with Windows (3.1) needed
me to routinely print an 11-page spreadsheet (of about 450 kB) on a
LaserJet III, also with 2 MB of on-board RAM. It choked completely,
requiring the print job to always be split in two. And that's not
to mention that greater curiosity of the day known as "page
protection"! ;-)

If there was ever a word that encapsulated the Mac system
advantage, right from the beginning, that word has to be "seamless".

Cheers,

Mike
Melbourne

--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
--
Jon
http://cybermice.smugmug.com
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
 
When blueray arrives, backup might be easier.
Right now, backup on DVD spans several disc.
Except when you lose a DVD you lose 4gig+. I don't have much faith in the stability of the media we use to backup on after all I have read.

I would rather loose 700mB than 4gig should the $hit hit the fan.
And my system is getting dead slow.
About time for me to do the same.

Dreaded chore
Yep, I put it off for 6 months.
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
 
... that’s all I’m saying. Options are good.
Waddya think I'm made out of money :-(

Tell ya what, you got a great idea. Wanna lend me some cash :-)

My sis runs virtual PC, absolutely smokes a PC, no doubt.
I had the original Mac, The Mac Plus and the Mac classic. Then the
quadra. Mac was good to me for a long time.

I always knew betamax was better than VHS, but I believed the hype
about the future of the PC. I jumped on the bandwagon.

Ahhh, the PC. Built on the premise that a personal computer would
never need more than 640k of ram, and a HD that would never exceed
10mB.

My sisters mac runs windows faster than any pc can.

If I had to do it all over again it would be a mac. Sadly, I have
too much invested in software, and I know windows pretty well. I'm
not ready to learn a new platform.

Cheers
I ran my business on an old Quadra (It wasn't old at the time).
Switched to a PC when my hardware would only go as far as OS 7.2.
What a mistake that was.
Hey Rich, you're tongue's usually so well planted in your cheek
that I genuinely need to ask what you intended by "mistake" ;-)

So was your mistake the switch to Wintel, or the original Quadra
acquisition?

I've been burned by both camps in various ways, and I've always
been ready to give plenty of stick to each as well as praise where
it's due. Mine was (still is, actually) a Quadra 840AV, one of two
identical systems (with a colleague) acquired on Christmas Eve 1993
for a defence dept. tech editing project of which they did a
marvellous job and gave us a marked advantage over a very large
contractor doing complementary work.

We selected the 840AV after much chewing of nails over whether it
would be better to wait a couple of months for the PowerMac. But we
went with the personal assurance (at a rather swank seminar) of one
of the top Apple people in Australia that it would be fully
upgradable. So guess which was the only model from that era of
Quadras that in the end turned out to be not upgradable?
Grrrrrr........!!!

On the productivity side, I recall feeding a 1.5 MB Quark file on
it, with over 250 MB of linked photographs, into a LaserWriterII
that had all of 2 MB of installed RAM. An hour or so later there
was the job, with no fuss at all.

By contrast, one of my early encounters with Windows (3.1) needed
me to routinely print an 11-page spreadsheet (of about 450 kB) on a
LaserJet III, also with 2 MB of on-board RAM. It choked completely,
requiring the print job to always be split in two. And that's not
to mention that greater curiosity of the day known as "page
protection"! ;-)

If there was ever a word that encapsulated the Mac system
advantage, right from the beginning, that word has to be "seamless".

Cheers,

Mike
Melbourne

--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
--
Jon
http://cybermice.smugmug.com
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
--
Jon
http://cybermice.smugmug.com
 
My PC backs up nightly to an external hard drive automatically to,
so thats not a Mac only feature.
of course not jason. before i switched, i had retrospect running on my pc system, and i backedup nightly to external maxtors. it's just way easier on the mac these days, and i can speak from personal experiece becuase i use a mac and also pc every day.
Sorry, you will never convince me a Mac is better.
what's better? my, that's a subjective thing. i'm not trying to convince you? i don't care what you use, i was only making a statement.
 
My PC backs up nightly to an external hard drive automatically to,
so thats not a Mac only feature.
of course not jason. before i switched, i had retrospect running
on my pc system, and i backedup nightly to external maxtors. it's
just way easier on the mac these days, and i can speak from
personal experiece becuase i use a mac and also pc every day.
Sorry, you will never convince me a Mac is better.
what's better? my, that's a subjective thing. i'm not trying to
convince you? i don't care what you use, i was only making a
statement.
 
My sis runs virtual PC, absolutely smokes a PC, no doubt.
I can believe that a dual G5 smokes a PC when it comes to Photoshop (no doubt even), but no current dual G5 smokes a PC in running Windows XP under Virtual PC vs. running Windows XP on a PC. If it smokes your PC, it's time for a new PC. :D

In my experience the best thing to get a PC running well again is not running all kinds of AdAware apps, manually deleting apps, etc, but just start all over. Format hard disk, install Windows XP and add applications when needed for the first time. It's amazing how speedy Windows XP runs after that. Only trouble is that you'll have to do it once a year, while my OS X is still running on its first install after over two years, without any speed issues.

I'm a happy Mac OS X (notebook) and Windows XP (desktop) user, and I couldn't care less which is considered best. I use them both, and like to keep in the loop for both. This does give trouble in the software department, as Evil stated. My kudos go to developers like the ones behind iView Media Pro, which give one license you can use on two units, no matter what platform they run on. And my loathing goes to Adobe, having exisiting product users pay full price for a crossgrade to another platform.
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top