Apology to Daniele

I posted this on your original thread, but it is buried at the bottom...

Daniele,

(If you are still even reading this forum I would like to offer my personal, and public, apology for my contribution to the decay of your original thread. Please don't let the thoughtless words of a few of us (who should know better!!) discourage you from asking questions and participating in this fine forum. Again, I am sorry if I have offended you. (You wisely decided to stay out of the fray I do hope that you were able to glean some good tips out of all that.

Photography is like art, if it looks good to YOU, then it's good!! We all like praise and advice from our peers, but one of my favorite quotes is from "Desiderata" and reads:

"Never compare yourself to others; for there will always be those greater, or lesser, than you." In other words, take advice, criticism, etc, for what it's worth, but be true to yourself.

The art of photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and .1% technical. ANYONE can take technically "perfect" pictures. But if your heart and soul is not in it, you'll just have "perfect" photos with no life, no interest, no "impact". The nice thing about digital is that whenever you take a picture you don't like, delete it!! Keep the "keepers" and look at what you like about them. Look closely at those and see if there are areas that could be improved. If you don't like the eyes, change them the next shot. If you DO like the eyes, remember what you did and incorporate it into future shots. Soon, you'll develop your "style", whether that is in formal studio portraiture, or in fashion, art or nature shots.

Practice, practice, practice and look for what YOU like.

Thanks, and please stop back!!!

John

Gourdfather said:

I posted this on your original thread, but it is buried at the
bottom...

Daniele,

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What did you do?

I made one brief contribution to that thread and went to her website and had no more to offer.

I do see the thread but once replies are out of order a day or two later this forum is impossible to follow!

Hi, and Hi Danielle

I would like to second Gourdfather - I thought the thread got messy and critical - come back, it's really unusual around here!

kind regards
jono slack

Gourdfather said:

I posted this on your original thread, but it is buried at the
bottom...

Daniele,

(If you are still even reading this forum I would like to offer
my personal, and public, apology for my contribution to the decay
of your original thread. Please don't let the thoughtless words of
a few of us (who should know better!!) discourage you from asking
questions and participating in this fine forum. Again, I am sorry
if I have offended you. (You wisely decided to stay out of the fray
I do hope that you were able to glean some good tips out of all
that.

Photography is like art, if it looks good to YOU, then it's good!!
We all like praise and advice from our peers, but one of my
favorite quotes is from "Desiderata" and reads:

"Never compare yourself to others; for there will always be those
greater, or lesser, than you." In other words, take advice,
criticism, etc, for what it's worth, but be true to yourself.

The art of photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and
.1% technical. ANYONE can take technically "perfect" pictures. But
if your heart and soul is not in it, you'll just have "perfect"
photos with no life, no interest, no "impact". The nice thing about
digital is that whenever you take a picture you don't like, delete
it!! Keep the "keepers" and look at what you like about them. Look
closely at those and see if there are areas that could be improved.
If you don't like the eyes, change them the next shot. If you DO
like the eyes, remember what you did and incorporate it into future
shots. Soon, you'll develop your "style", whether that is in formal
studio portraiture, or in fashion, art or nature shots.

Practice, practice, practice and look for what YOU like.

Thanks, and please stop back!!!

John

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I went to Daniele's website and she seems to have
connected an E-10 to a telescope. I would have like
to see what she is doing in that field. I do not
see much in that type of photos around here.

To bad for me there could have been something new to learn.

Bill

Gourdfather said:

I posted this on your original thread, but it is buried at the
bottom...

Daniele,

(If you are still even reading this forum I would like to offer
my personal, and public, apology for my contribution to the decay
of your original thread. Please don't let the thoughtless words of
a few of us (who should know better!!) discourage you from asking
questions and participating in this fine forum. Again, I am sorry
if I have offended you. (You wisely decided to stay out of the fray
I do hope that you were able to glean some good tips out of all
that.

Photography is like art, if it looks good to YOU, then it's good!!
We all like praise and advice from our peers, but one of my
favorite quotes is from "Desiderata" and reads:

"Never compare yourself to others; for there will always be those
greater, or lesser, than you." In other words, take advice,
criticism, etc, for what it's worth, but be true to yourself.

The art of photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and
.1% technical. ANYONE can take technically "perfect" pictures. But
if your heart and soul is not in it, you'll just have "perfect"
photos with no life, no interest, no "impact". The nice thing about
digital is that whenever you take a picture you don't like, delete
it!! Keep the "keepers" and look at what you like about them. Look
closely at those and see if there are areas that could be improved.
If you don't like the eyes, change them the next shot. If you DO
like the eyes, remember what you did and incorporate it into future
shots. Soon, you'll develop your "style", whether that is in formal
studio portraiture, or in fashion, art or nature shots.

Practice, practice, practice and look for what YOU like.

Thanks, and please stop back!!!

John

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You're being way to hard on yourself if you're apologizing for anything personally. You attempted to deflate a buffoon who just also happens to have a point or two technically. I think his response to Jaja's response demonstrates his mindset, despite his own knowledge. While he's technically correct on some points, he's also a braying donkey and should be treated as such until he wises up a bit! Perhaps he'll grow up and realize that a little tact would better prepare people for the knowledge he wishes to share.

-nuff said!

I think a whole lot of apologies are in order. Robert gave some of the only valid feedback in the whole thread started by a question of " What do you think about my E-10 shot?" I read and re-read his responses and I honestly don't know how anyone took offense to what he initially said. Calling him a buffoon and a braying donkey is just ridiculous.

John's statements, "Never compare yourself to others; for there will always be those greater, or lesser, than you." and "The art of photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and .1% technical", leaves me less than impressed. What most amateurs are full of is creativity, and totally lacking in technical skills. Eventually for some the technical becomes second nature and it becomes difficult to differentiate the talent from the discipline.

When someone else asks for feedback on this forum, hopefully Robert and others will care enough to share what they know. Comments like "your model sure is pretty" are useless. So is correcting someone else's spelling unless they ask "What do you think of my spelling?".

Gerald M. Payne said:

You're being way to hard on yourself if you're apologizing for
anything personally. You attempted to deflate a buffoon who just
also happens to have a point or two technically. I think his
response to Jaja's response demonstrates his mindset, despite his
own knowledge. While he's technically correct on some points, he's
also a braying donkey and should be treated as such until he wises
up a bit! Perhaps he'll grow up and realize that a little tact
would better prepare people for the knowledge he wishes to share.

-nuff said!

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Hello Gerald,

I didn't react on his posting since it has no sense at this point.
All had to do with the word "subjective" in my posting and he took it personal.

Criteria and rules are mostley "subjective" in general, especially when it has to do with personal creative expressions (I even used a smiley to make that clear
A technically perfect photo isn't always a great photo and a vice versa.

People should be more "tolerant" - not facing every word as a personal attack - and most of our "friends" over here have that capabillity.
That's what made this forum a nice place to be around ...
I don't doubt on his technical skills, but he should be more "forumfriendly"

So, I agree with your reply towards Gourdfather, he's much to hard to himself. He's a very nice guy ...

Jaja
http://www.belgiumdigital.com

Gerald M. Payne said:

You're being way to hard on yourself if you're apologizing for
anything personally. You attempted to deflate a buffoon who just
also happens to have a point or two technically. I think his
response to Jaja's response demonstrates his mindset, despite his
own knowledge. While he's technically correct on some points, he's
also a braying donkey and should be treated as such until he wises
up a bit! Perhaps he'll grow up and realize that a little tact
would better prepare people for the knowledge he wishes to share.

-nuff said!

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Hi, Troy. There are a number of reasons for people's reactions to Robert Conn II. (1) I think a lot are remembering his comments in the "helpful hint" thread we had awhile back, where he was going on ridiculous tirades and wouldn't stop, (2) He started out his response to Daniele by saying "I see you have trouble with posing", which isn't a very tactful way of putting this, (3) His sarcastic response to Jaja's comment was entirely uncalled for. I agree with the person who said it's all well and good to have useful information (as Robert did), but it's more important HOW it's said in this type of forum environment. K.

Troy Williams said:

John's statements, "Never compare yourself to others; for there
will always be those greater, or lesser, than you." and "The art of
photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and .1%
technical", leaves me less than impressed. What most amateurs are
full of is creativity, and totally lacking in technical skills.
Eventually for some the technical becomes second nature and it
becomes difficult to differentiate the talent from the discipline.

When someone else asks for feedback on this forum, hopefully Robert
and others will care enough to share what they know. Comments like
"your model sure is pretty" are useless. So is correcting someone
else's spelling unless they ask "What do you think of my spelling?".

Gerald M. Payne said:

You're being way to hard on yourself if you're apologizing for
anything personally. You attempted to deflate a buffoon who just
also happens to have a point or two technically. I think his
response to Jaja's response demonstrates his mindset, despite his
own knowledge. While he's technically correct on some points, he's
also a braying donkey and should be treated as such until he wises
up a bit! Perhaps he'll grow up and realize that a little tact
would better prepare people for the knowledge he wishes to share.

-nuff said!

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Troy, I fully agree with all of your comments. I believe that it was my comments late in the original discussion that produced a little soul searching and resulted in this thread.

Calling anyone a buffoon and a braying donkey reflects more on the "caller" than the "callee"" I am afraid. This forum is better without that style of comment.

Brian

Troy Williams said:

John's statements, "Never compare yourself to others; for there
will always be those greater, or lesser, than you." and "The art of
photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and .1%
technical", leaves me less than impressed. What most amateurs are
full of is creativity, and totally lacking in technical skills.
Eventually for some the technical becomes second nature and it
becomes difficult to differentiate the talent from the discipline.

When someone else asks for feedback on this forum, hopefully Robert
and others will care enough to share what they know. Comments like
"your model sure is pretty" are useless. So is correcting someone
else's spelling unless they ask "What do you think of my spelling?".

Gerald M. Payne said:

You're being way to hard on yourself if you're apologizing for
anything personally. You attempted to deflate a buffoon who just
also happens to have a point or two technically. I think his
response to Jaja's response demonstrates his mindset, despite his
own knowledge. While he's technically correct on some points, he's
also a braying donkey and should be treated as such until he wises
up a bit! Perhaps he'll grow up and realize that a little tact
would better prepare people for the knowledge he wishes to share.

-nuff said!

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I guess not having read the "Helpful Hint" thread I did not read his feedback with any prior prejudice. Maybe Daniele didn't either?

koo22 said:

Troy Williams said:

John's statements, "Never compare yourself to others; for there
will always be those greater, or lesser, than you." and "The art of
photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and .1%
technical", leaves me less than impressed. What most amateurs are
full of is creativity, and totally lacking in technical skills.
Eventually for some the technical becomes second nature and it
becomes difficult to differentiate the talent from the discipline.

When someone else asks for feedback on this forum, hopefully Robert
and others will care enough to share what they know. Comments like
"your model sure is pretty" are useless. So is correcting someone
else's spelling unless they ask "What do you think of my spelling?".

Gerald M. Payne said:

You're being way to hard on yourself if you're apologizing for
anything personally. You attempted to deflate a buffoon who just
also happens to have a point or two technically. I think his
response to Jaja's response demonstrates his mindset, despite his
own knowledge. While he's technically correct on some points, he's
also a braying donkey and should be treated as such until he wises
up a bit! Perhaps he'll grow up and realize that a little tact
would better prepare people for the knowledge he wishes to share.

-nuff said!

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If you know so much why didn't you chime in on that strand instead of just resorting to calling me names here? Perhaps it's because you know very little after all. If I am all these things you call me then what does that make you for writing of me in that way here? It's amazing how many people that have nothing to do with a strand put there two cents in after the fact. You may not like how aggresive I am in defending myself but what I write is the truth. If you don't think so then write somthing that disproves me instead of calling me names in another strand. You say maybe Ill grow up when your the one acting like a child. Be a man and say somthing about me when it is relevant instead of resorting to name calling.

~ Robert

P.S. I like how you ended your post "Nuff said!" as if your words encapsulated the subject and left room for noone elses. If everyone else thought as highly of you as you yourself do, maybe you wouldn't need to write such a silly thing.

koo22 wrote:
I agree with

koo22 said:

the person who said it's all well and good to have useful
information (as Robert did), but it's more important HOW it's said
in this type of forum environment. K.

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That is complete nonsence. So that means you and others determine and define how I answer somones question? So not only do I have to answer the question of the person that asked I have to write it in a way to please the other readers? Give me a break. I gave a straight forward answer without flowering it. As Danielle didn't thank the people that posted I dont know how she took our advice.

And as for the other strand that offended you so much... it looks like your trying to do here what you did that made me go off in the first place. your trying to control things to make them how you want them. You may have noticed that I (unlike others) have not written about that strand as the things I had to say about it I left there. Now people are throwing that strand up in my face when they wouldn't engage me in discussion there.

You didn't want somone else to dictate what you had to look at...well don't try to dictate to me what I say and how I say it.

I thank everyone that has defended me on these strands. I think the reason they continue to go after me is because they look for things to offend them now. The people that have gone back and read the posts know the truth of the matter. And the only reason I go to these legnths is because I don't ever let somone take a cheap shot at me. Dont start with me and you won't have to read my rants.
~ Robert

Jaja if that were true then why didn't you just respond and explain that? You have done this before, you have written somthing that contradicts me and then left the strand. Your post ( as I understand it) was this... yeah there are rules to photography but I don't think this person would be comfortable following these rules. That is an arogant and pompous thing to write when you don't know either of these women. These basic compositional rules have been around hundreds of years. The pose this sitter was in is a standard pose and not somthing the photographer invented. It is used every day in photo studios. What I tried to explain to her was not just what to do...but why it's done that way. In this way she would have learned not just this pose but a framework to work from. Then you come along and say that you don't think it would apply to this sitter. I'm sorry if I took it wrong but that is exactly how I took it. I understand you do a whole lot of shooting and are respected here. But don't take jabs at stuff that is common to all pro shooters. You do the peson Im trying to help a disservice and yourself one also. I did not invent this pose or the reasons why we use it. So I was not personally offended by what you said. I was offended that you just dismiss it with a few words. You don't have to follow the rules 100% of the time but when you know what the rules are it enables you to break them in ways that still make sense in the image. It takes more than a camera to be a photograper. It takes knowledge of how to capture what you want to capture. Otherwise you are just taking snapshots. That's what the images on her website looked like to me. I took these kind of shots too early in my career. Then I learned the things I didn't understand and now Im free to express myself how I see fit, because I know the elements that must be in an image to make somone want to look at it. I compliment people's work on these boards all the time. But when I have somthing to share with a person thats what I focus my post on so I dont lose track of my thoughts. I wrote my response while trying to remember all the things in the image. If I were to dress it up I would have forgotten things. I'm not being paid to help so I wasnt going to print it out and look at it while wrote my response. I did however go to her site to get a deeper understanding on where she is as a photographer. Im not saying she is good or bad as she still appears to have a lot lof learning to do. That may not be nice to read but that's the truth. By my professional standards, and with the knowledge gained from almost 20 years as a photographer and being trained by two of the largest portrait studios in the US that was my advice to her. I know you think highly of yourself, but so do others here. You should be more careful where you lay down ill thought out statments.

When all is said and done Im not here to make friends, Im here to learn and also to share with others.

~ Robert

Hello Robert Conn II,

Why I didn't respond?

Well, I didn't look at that thread anymore, I even didn't know you posted a reply to my message untill Gourdfather wrote a new message about the thread and I revisited it ...

Now to make things short: I put a smiley at the end of my message to make clear it had to be taken with some "humor", that it wasnt ment that serious - that it wasn't "a statement - that's what smileys are made for. It was a funny remark - the model seems to enjoy herself and that was what I saw in that photo.

So, don't say I'm "arogant" and "pompous" without any reason - nobody has ever called me that - and I certainly am not such a guy ...

I'm posting in this forum since november last year and always have been "the nice and friendly guy" and I will remain "that guy".
So, don't make me the character I'm certainly not.

If I would be how you described me, I would have used totally different words in this reply ...

I don't doubt your professional photographic/technical skills in any way, you're knowing what you're talking about, that's for sure - and all help is welcome for everybody over here, but don't take funny ment words that serious. We're all entitled to our own opinion.

I also didn't visit this forum "to make friends", but to learn and to share - but I did made a lot of friends over here - and that's also very nice - it's the spirit in this forum and it should remain in that way ...

Jaja
http://www.belgiumdigital.com

Robert,

At the risk of starting something here, let me say this. It is not easy to do the latter without doing some of the former.

IOW, it helps to make some friends in order to learn and share. People are more receptive to learning and sharing when they have formed some connection to others.

Robert Conn II said:

....

When all is said and done Im not here to make friends, Im here to
learn and also to share with others.

~ Robert

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Thats true Tony. But I have had no problems with the people I help or that have helped me. Daniele herself thanked me for writing. It is the people who got offended for her that I am defending myself to. If you look at my last posts...over the last couple months you will see that I don't come across in the same way I do when arguiing with other people.

I am sorry jaja if your comment was intended as humor but can be taken many ways. It initself doesn't mean any one thing. And in the context of what you typed I didn't see it as being a light hearted thing. I will not take your comments seriously in the future to avoid any further misinterpretation. ;O) See? was I being serious? Sarcastic? or an ass?

~ Robert

P.S. I think if you write something you should at least come back to see what others have said. If you write something and just leave a strand you close the discussion and your words are up to being misinterpreted. I personaly think that's rude. And my calling you those names was not just from this strand but also others. I still can't believe you call zooming in to focus the "jaja test".

Robert, man, you gotta chill. You posted to Daniele just hours ago about hows this is a big family and we sometimes dont get along, well?
We all have to eat our spinach.

If you can dish it out you have to be able to also take it, (unlike our pal Zack, who folded becasue he knew he was wrong). Williim C, well thats a different story.You have to take advice, and critisism and take it constructivly, even if you think different.

I defended you only because, I think you want to do the right thing, but your still moving the wrong way. Your always on the defensive, I just have to ask why? (my opinion) And you can balst me all you want, I still think the same. And I dont have to justify how or why I think that way, I just do. As you think the way you do, and Koo, Jono, jaja, and others think the way they do. I know your really bigger than all of this we have seen.

Try to remember, that we are one group and we will get along or we wont, but you, I, none of us have the authority to say, don't start with me, and you wont have to lsiten me rant! Why are you ranting at all? If you meant what you said in your latest post to Daniele, you would not be ranting.

This is not a flame, or a fight, a put down, or slam, its my opinion, and im allowed it. But I have to tell you, people dont waste their time defending, or even responding to some folks that are not worth the effort!

In closing, if you set yourself up with a target on your back, someones gonna take a shot. Take the target off for awhile, and try what you suggested to someone else recently, "post something worthwhile or dont post at all" Its good advice, I have to do it all the time , but Im a work in progress on the road on life and I love to learn, so for now Im trying my best to keep my mouth shut and listen, but I would hate to see you bail, and then blame it all on the forum and others.

take care...

footnote, Daniele didnt take offense to your post, some of us did some didnt, but I think we all let her down in the end. She said she learned something from your post, so all in all it was a good thing. But we are all different and we all react different. (the human factor) Some of us have taken the time to learn the others habits and we dont let it bother us because we know they really mean well. That usually only happens if the offedning person can take a few lumps too!

We ALL have to practice Patience... (especially me)!

screeeeeeecching noise

peace~out

Robert Conn II said:

robert conn II said:

the person who said it's all well and good to have useful
information (as Robert did), but it's more important HOW it's said
in this type of forum environment. K.

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That is complete nonsence. So that means you and others determine
and define how I answer somones question? So not only do I have to
answer the question of the person that asked I have to write it in
a way to please the other readers? Give me a break. I gave a
straight forward answer without flowering it. As Danielle didn't
thank the people that posted I dont know how she took our advice.

And as for the other strand that offended you so much... it looks
like your trying to do here what you did that made me go off in the
first place. your trying to control things to make them how you
want them. You may have noticed that I (unlike others) have not
written about that strand as the things I had to say about it I
left there. Now people are throwing that strand up in my face when
they wouldn't engage me in discussion there.
You didn't want somone else to dictate what you had to look
at...well don't try to dictate to me what I say and how I say it.

I thank everyone that has defended me on these strands. I think the
reason they continue to go after me is because they look for things
to offend them now. The people that have gone back and read the
posts know the truth of the matter. And the only reason I go to
these legnths is because I don't ever let somone take a cheap shot
at me. Dont start with me and you won't have to read my rants.
~ Robert

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Man oh man, just wasted too much time reading these threads... Please, some of you, shut down the computer, spend time with family and friends, take pictures... don't take this forum so seriously.

Gourdfather said:

I posted this on your original thread, but it is buried at the
bottom...

Daniele,

(If you are still even reading this forum I would like to offer
my personal, and public, apology for my contribution to the decay
of your original thread. Please don't let the thoughtless words of
a few of us (who should know better!!) discourage you from asking
questions and participating in this fine forum. Again, I am sorry
if I have offended you. (You wisely decided to stay out of the fray
I do hope that you were able to glean some good tips out of all
that.

Photography is like art, if it looks good to YOU, then it's good!!
We all like praise and advice from our peers, but one of my
favorite quotes is from "Desiderata" and reads:

"Never compare yourself to others; for there will always be those
greater, or lesser, than you." In other words, take advice,
criticism, etc, for what it's worth, but be true to yourself.

The art of photography is just that; ART. It's 99.9% creativity and
.1% technical. ANYONE can take technically "perfect" pictures. But
if your heart and soul is not in it, you'll just have "perfect"
photos with no life, no interest, no "impact". The nice thing about
digital is that whenever you take a picture you don't like, delete
it!! Keep the "keepers" and look at what you like about them. Look
closely at those and see if there are areas that could be improved.
If you don't like the eyes, change them the next shot. If you DO
like the eyes, remember what you did and incorporate it into future
shots. Soon, you'll develop your "style", whether that is in formal
studio portraiture, or in fashion, art or nature shots.

Practice, practice, practice and look for what YOU like.

Thanks, and please stop back!!!

John

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Robert, you said yourself you don't come here to make friends. It's clear by the way you write and relate to others that is not your intention. You simply can't come across so belligerently and expect people not to react. You write and post like you're asking for a fight, and then when you get one, you act offended. You're a tough one to figure out, and it seems you're not very easy to get along with. I, for one, after being called all the names from your other post, don't want to try. You're in the minority here, no matter what your technical knowledge may be. It's now overshadowed by your bullying nature. There are many other forums around who can benefit from your knowledge. I don't think anyone here wants to make a huge effort to understand you. It's just not worth it. You don't seem to know when to stop, and your only area of expertise seems to be coming to your own defense, rather childishly at that. K.

Robert Conn II said:

If you know so much why didn't you chime in on that strand instead
of just resorting to calling me names here? Perhaps it's because
you know very little after all. If I am all these things you call
me then what does that make you for writing of me in that way here?
It's amazing how many people that have nothing to do with a strand
put there two cents in after the fact. You may not like how
aggresive I am in defending myself but what I write is the truth.
If you don't think so then write somthing that disproves me instead
of calling me names in another strand. You say maybe Ill grow up
when your the one acting like a child. Be a man and say somthing
about me when it is relevant instead of resorting to name calling.

~ Robert

P.S. I like how you ended your post "Nuff said!" as if your words
encapsulated the subject and left room for noone elses. If everyone
else thought as highly of you as you yourself do, maybe you
wouldn't need to write such a silly thing.

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Hello Robert,

Robert Conn II wrote:
(I deleted the "Tony part" - it's not relevant) ...

robert conn II said:

I am sorry jaja if your comment was intended as humor but can be
taken many ways. It initself doesn't mean any one thing. And in the
context of what you typed I didn't see it as being a light hearted
thing. I will not take your comments seriously in the future to
avoid any further misinterpretation. ;O) See? was I being
serious? Sarcastic? or an ass?

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• As long as people respect eachother and they're opinion, no problem at all, but that's not what you're doing here ... And yes, I noticed the smiley ...

robert conn II said:

P.S. I think if you write something you should at least come back
to see what others have said. If you write something and just leave
a strand you close the discussion and your words are up to being
misinterpreted. I personaly think that's rude. And my calling you
those names was not just from this strand but also others. I still
can't believe you call zooming in to focus the "jaja test".

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Robert, you stated in another thread that no-one has to "prescribe" what one should or shouldn't do in this forum and now you're doing it yourself ...

My reply to "Danielle" was not intended to have some follow-up, so I didn't go back to that thread for a while. Is that a reason to call me "rude"?

You probably will be a good photographer, but your way of dealing/communicate with people is not - it's obvious you don't want to have friends over here although some does a serious effort to have a decent communication.
First you call me arogant and pompous, now you've added rude.

Regarding the "Jaja test" - wrong again Robert, wrong again - your personal misinterpretation! I had nothing to do with giving it that name ...

The "jaja test" wasn't called that way by myself, It were other members in this forum that gave it that name.
Some people came from a point&shoot camera and had never used an SLR.

So, that technique was new to them and they read all about it here for the first time when I suggested it as a way to check correct focussing.

I even explained that it was used by traditional SLR-photographers and was not "invented" by me.

That's how it got that name over here ... but you probably won't believe that - since "I'm arogant, pompous and rude" and now probably a liar to ...

Believe what you want, write what you want, do what you want, but you've lost all respect I ever had for you.

BTW, I'm not only writing this as an answer to you - just to inform the other partcipants of this forum - they're entitled to know how things really are ...

Jaja
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