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Lance B said:
Even some point and shoots and prosumers have this feature. Hardly
what I would call professional. If you are a professional you
shouldn't really need a histogram. :-)
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I guess even a professional would find a histogram handy from time to time, but I agree it is far fetched to call this feature professional.
Lance B said:
I have never needed to rotate the review and I can't see that it is
an advantage as it ends up being smaller. Then you have to zoom it
to see the same size once you have rotated it.
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Does it rotate RAW also? I use Irfanview to do lossess rotation of JPEG, but neither Irfanview or Adobe elements 3 does a rotate.

The only thing I really miss on my DS is the PC sync. I did not think I would use this feature but the DS sucks me a lot farther into photographing then I ever expected...

And I guess this is one of the main reasons of existance for the DS: getting newbies like myself into photographing...

Bart
 
richardday said:
Quoted from a poster in the Canon 1D forum

I liked it so much I've copied it!

Amatuers worry about equipment
Professionals worry about money
Masters worry about light

'nuff said!

Cheers
--
Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK
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Self-announced LBA member #42 (Pentax Chapter)

'He's not stupid, he's just got bad luck thinking'
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James O'Neill said:
Zaldidun said:
James O'Neill said:
… What you've read is ill informed scare
mongering.
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Name calling only underscores the weakness of your arguments,
O'Neil. Typical of your posts. It's not scare "mongering"; it's
plain common sense.
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Look if USB can fry anything that's plugged into it, then you
should never plug any USB device in should you ?
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Other USB devices are not as tiny and sensitive as a digital DSLR, nor as expensive.
James O'Neill said:
It's like saying you can electocuted through the keyboard.
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Again, I can stand a heck of a lot more than my camewra can.
James O'Neill said:
You can't believe everything you read on the intenet. What you read
was hogwash. Sorry.
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It is highly presumtuous and wrong of you to think I had not come to that conclusion myself. Bruce Fraser simply happened to agree with me, and I mentioned his name because he is an internationally recognized physicist and a published author of several books that are considered the cornerstone of the literature in his field.

I had already called you on your presumptuousness months (or weeks?) ago, but you seem to have a short memory. Who do you think you are?

To me YOU are an anonymous individual, whose writings on the internet I definitely do not believe. In that sense, you are right that one can't believe everything one reads on the Internet. I don't believe what you write.
James O'Neill said:
You can take it as personal name calling if you
like. Phrases like "typical of your posts" are every bit as much an
attack. Interesting you choose to take a pop at me further down the
thread.
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As I said above, you don't have a good memory. This is not the first time I stand up to your insults —it will not be the last either, O'Neil.
James O'Neill said:
You're more likely to harm the camera by constantly plugging and
unplugging the memory card than using USB.
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That's your personal opinion. I'm not THAT clumsy; I have control over my hands. No one has control over an electrical malfunction, not even you, Mr. Know-it-all.
 
Zaldidun said:
James O'Neill said:
Zaldidun said:
James O'Neill said:
… What you've read is ill informed scare
mongering.
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Name calling only underscores the weakness of your arguments,
O'Neil. Typical of your posts. It's not scare "mongering"; it's
plain common sense.
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Look if USB can fry anything that's plugged into it, then you
should never plug any USB device in should you ?
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Other USB devices are not as tiny and sensitive as a digital DSLR,
nor as expensive.
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OK then find me an example of all the millions of digital cameras out there of one that has been damaged by being plugged into a computer.

And if plugging something into USB can damage it isn't it just as dangerous to your computer to plug in a card reader ? Why don't you go and run a scare story that a cheap card read might blow up your expensive computer, because that is possible, isn't it ?
Zaldidun said:
Zaldidun said:
It's like saying you can electocuted through the keyboard.
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Again, I can stand a heck of a lot more than my camewra can.
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What do you know about the protection that is built into the camera.
This whole "USB can fry you camera" is a fairy story.
Zaldidun said:
Zaldidun said:
You can't believe everything you read on the intenet. What you read
was hogwash. Sorry.
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It is highly presumtuous and wrong of you to think I had not come
to that conclusion myself.
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I have to concede that there is a possibility that you could have a thought. It is more likely than USB frying anything.
Zaldidun said:
Bruce Fraser simply happened to agree
with me, and I mentioned his name because he is an internationally
recognized physicist and a published author of several books that
are considered the cornerstone of the literature in his field.
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He's a physicist, is he an expert in USB circuitry or in circuit board failures ?
Zaldidun said:
I had already called you on your presumptuousness months (or
weeks?) ago, but you seem to have a short memory. Who do you think
you are?

To me YOU are an anonymous individual, whose writings on the
internet I definitely do not believe. In that sense, you are right
that one can't believe everything one reads on the Internet. I
don't believe what you write.
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Interesting you use the word anonymous. I post under my real name - you use a pseudonym. You're free to beleive in fairies at the bottom of your garden or not treading on the cracks in the pavement if you like.
Zaldidun said:
Zaldidun said:
You can take it as personal name calling if you
like. Phrases like "typical of your posts" are every bit as much an
attack. Interesting you choose to take a pop at me further down the
thread.
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As I said above, you don't have a good memory. This is not the
first time I stand up to your insults —it will not be the last
either, O'Neil.
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If you'd said something worth remembering maybe it would have stuck in my mind. Seems like you want to run a feud here. When my name is there in front of you could take the trouble to spell it correctly.
Zaldidun said:
Zaldidun said:
You're more likely to harm the camera by constantly plugging and
unplugging the memory card than using USB.
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That's your personal opinion. I'm not THAT clumsy; I have control
over my hands. No one has control over an electrical malfunction,
not even you, Mr. Know-it-all.
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You are more likely to be stuck by lightning than to have USB malfunction damage your camera.
If you want to beleive otherwise, then your free to do so.

And mind those cracks in the pavement - it might be true about the bears.
 
Didn't mean to discount the usefulness of the battery grip -- if it works for you, and you like it -- great. But for me -- I have never used a battery grip and probably never will. Maybe I don't know what I am missing.... but I just don't see the need for one myself.
Cpt Galant said:
I am not a portrait photographer, yet I use the grip all the time.
I often prefer the vertical layout of my photos because it's just
not as common, and no matter the orientation I find it adds
stability to the camera.

I'm glad it is removable for those who prefer a smaller camera, but
let's not discount it for those who find it useful... even those
who aren't portrait photographers.
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Rick A.
Johnson City, TN
http://www.photographyimpressions.com
 
Since I've never had to wash hogs, I concede you may have a lot more experience in that regard.

Don't bother responding. I'll just skip your posts.
 
bvhoyweg said:
Lance B said:
Even some point and shoots and prosumers have this feature. Hardly
what I would call professional. If you are a professional you
shouldn't really need a histogram. :-)
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I guess even a professional would find a histogram handy from time
to time, but I agree it is far fetched to call this feature
professional.
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I'd say it was almost entirely there for professionals (or, at the least,
for serious photographers). Happy-snappers will never use it.
 
For me the most annoying thing about the DS is that it requires you to mount one AF360FGZ flash in order to control another AF360FGZ (or a compatible Sigma) via wireless link. Pentax deliberately crippled the wireless flash capabilities of the DS after putting flash compensation back on the body...

Another annoyance is the lack of two control dials. Therefore no Hyper Program.

I do envy DS owners when I see that large, higher-rez back LCD, though. Smaller RAW files and faster processing are improvements over the D. But I won't go as far to say the DS is more "professional" than the D. Neither are close to "pro" but the D makes me feel more at home.

Peter
Zaldidun said:
RiceHigh said:
So, I believe the "s" of Ds denotes "Super" not "Small" ;-)
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I regard the "s" as standing for "stunted".

No battery grip.

No pc flash contact.

Toy-like program settings and controls.

To each his own…
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Peter Fang - Pentax *ist D / MZ-S / Z-1 / LX
 
Pete Fang said:
For me the most annoying thing about the DS is that it requires you
to mount one AF360FGZ flash in order to control another AF360FGZ
(or a compatible Sigma) via wireless link. Pentax deliberately
crippled the wireless flash capabilities of the DS after putting
flash compensation back on the body...

Another annoyance is the lack of two control dials. Therefore no
Hyper Program.

I do envy DS owners when I see that large, higher-rez back LCD,
though. Smaller RAW files and faster processing are improvements
over the D. But I won't go as far to say the DS is more
"professional" than the D. Neither are close to "pro" but the D
makes me feel more at home.

Peter
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I agree 100% about the crippled flash functions of the DS. That by itself totally takes it ouf of contention as far as I'm concerned. Flash technology has made some of the most satisfying advances in the whole field of photohraphy in recent years. Now my hope is that the successor to the D, for which I expect to pay substantially more, makes it very attractive for me to keep the D as a backup. I would not put up with the Ds even just for backup.

Of course, IS lenses take on greater significance the older I get, so I'm looking at Canon and Nikon too.
 
Not laughing at you Dave :-) its more that it seemed the orignal post was trying to list reasons why the DS lacking compared to the D, yet pretty much everything that was claimed you correctly pointed out was wrong, the only accurate points were the advantages of the DS over the D.... What I found funny was the degree to which the whole post seemed to backfire....
DS_Dave said:
Joele said:
That was soo funny you just made my night LOL, even my GF is in
hysterics ;)
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What was so funny?

Dave
DS_Dave said:
DS_Dave said:
RSorrell said:
Does the Ds have Hyper Program and Manual modes?
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Yes it has M mode.
DS_Dave said:
The Ds has 18 user custom functions compared to 22 for the D.
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Hmmm...so?
DS_Dave said:
Does the Ds have a diopler adjustment for eye piece? (OK, if you
have good eyes this isn't a biggie) ... but the D has it
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So does the DS.
DS_Dave said:
Compact Flash/Micro drive vs SD? no contest .. D wins there too.
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Why??
DS_Dave said:
Exposure modes? 6 for the D
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P, A,S,M,B and the Pic modes for the DS...no Hyperprogrm, but Ive
never used it on my other pentax SLRs either...
DS_Dave said:
Remote control?
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Same as the D
DS_Dave said:
The D has a lot of LCD playback functions that the Ds doesn't have.
(zoom, etc.)
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The DS has all those! And the DS has instant** blown highlights
warning as well -the D doesnt ;) that is a deal breaker for most ;)
My freind thought he'd died and gone to heaven with that feature.
DS_Dave said:
DOF preview? That's easy with the D.
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DS certainly has this!
DS_Dave said:
OK, there are some inovations with the Ds ... the 2" LCD screen is
better than 1.8" (.2" big deal)
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Yes the DS has a much better spec here.
DS_Dave said:
And you can shoot 8 shots at 2.8fps instead of 6 at 2.6 fps on the
D(yeah, big deal). I guess the Ds gets a point there.
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Wow how kind of you...thats a big boost to most ;)
DS_Dave said:
The Ds has a 1/180 s flash sync where the D has a 1/150 s.
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Again a little edge to the DS..
DS_Dave said:
The one thing worth mentioning about the Ds is the USB v.2.0 vs.
the USB v.1.1 of the D.
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Yeah, thats a 480x quicker transfer rate for the DS (in theory)...
DS_Dave said:
The big differences to me are the battery pack and the CF cards.
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Yeah the lack of grip is a blow to the DS for those people who
actually want one (not me). I dont get the CF card issue though?
DS_Dave said:
Maybe the D isn't worth paying twice as much for, but I'd sure miss
the extras that I have come acustomed to.
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Many of them you mentioned arent even missing...
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Joel - *ist DS
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Joel - *ist DS
 
Build a bridge...

Honestly you think this is going to happen??? you shouldn't use the AC adapter with your camera either then, it MAY malfunction and fry your camera, hell you shouldn't use batteries either, they also may malfunction.... Ohh and while your at it don't carry your camera around you MAY drop it.... You can't spend your life worrying about one in a million chances, what a waste. Besides my camera is insured....
Zaldidun said:
Joele said:
agreed, with 1.1 I never did this, I tend to do it these days with
the DS, as it is VERY fast, I have trasfered thousands of pics this
way without any card corruption :-)
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It's NOT worth it. There's still the potential to fry your camera.
It's a very remote possibility, but a real one. There's electrical
power in that USB @ (or USB 1.1, or FireWire) connection. Hardware
does malfunction. It's just not worth it.
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Joel - *ist DS
 
I thought that was it :)

But I wondered if it was this line too:

"....just puting out there for others...."

I meant the info, not me ;) I thought maybe another aussie might have picked that one up

Dave
Joele said:
DS_Dave said:
Joele said:
That was soo funny you just made my night LOL, even my GF is in
hysterics ;)
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What was so funny?

Dave
Joele said:
DS_Dave said:
RSorrell said:
Does the Ds have Hyper Program and Manual modes?
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Yes it has M mode.
Joele said:
The Ds has 18 user custom functions compared to 22 for the D.
Click to expand...
Hmmm...so?
Joele said:
Does the Ds have a diopler adjustment for eye piece? (OK, if you
have good eyes this isn't a biggie) ... but the D has it
Click to expand...
So does the DS.
Joele said:
Compact Flash/Micro drive vs SD? no contest .. D wins there too.
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Why??
Joele said:
Exposure modes? 6 for the D
Click to expand...
P, A,S,M,B and the Pic modes for the DS...no Hyperprogrm, but Ive
never used it on my other pentax SLRs either...
Joele said:
Remote control?
Click to expand...
Same as the D
Joele said:
The D has a lot of LCD playback functions that the Ds doesn't have.
(zoom, etc.)
Click to expand...
The DS has all those! And the DS has instant** blown highlights
warning as well -the D doesnt ;) that is a deal breaker for most ;)
My freind thought he'd died and gone to heaven with that feature.
Joele said:
DOF preview? That's easy with the D.
Click to expand...
DS certainly has this!
Joele said:
OK, there are some inovations with the Ds ... the 2" LCD screen is
better than 1.8" (.2" big deal)
Click to expand...
Yes the DS has a much better spec here.
Joele said:
And you can shoot 8 shots at 2.8fps instead of 6 at 2.6 fps on the
D(yeah, big deal). I guess the Ds gets a point there.
Click to expand...
Wow how kind of you...thats a big boost to most ;)
Joele said:
The Ds has a 1/180 s flash sync where the D has a 1/150 s.
Click to expand...
Again a little edge to the DS..
Joele said:
The one thing worth mentioning about the Ds is the USB v.2.0 vs.
the USB v.1.1 of the D.
Click to expand...
Yeah, thats a 480x quicker transfer rate for the DS (in theory)...
Joele said:
The big differences to me are the battery pack and the CF cards.
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Yeah the lack of grip is a blow to the DS for those people who
actually want one (not me). I dont get the CF card issue though?
Joele said:
Maybe the D isn't worth paying twice as much for, but I'd sure miss
the extras that I have come acustomed to.
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Many of them you mentioned arent even missing...
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Joel - *ist DS
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Joel - *ist DS
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DS_Dave said:
I meant the info, not me ;) I thought maybe another aussie might
have picked that one up
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LOL, didn't notice it until you pointed it out ;-)
 
Michael, I wish I knew why you rolled this particular grenade into the room and then walked away. I haven't seen any response from you to any of the posts made in reply, so it can't have been a legitimate attempt at a dialogue. You should know better than to start one of those "my camera is better than yours, nyah,nyah!" threads, as you're usually one of the more constructive folks in this forum. What am I missing here?
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Colormonger.
* * * * *
Belief without doubt is just opinion.
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Can you skip mine too please????
Zaldidun said:
Since I've never had to wash hogs, I concede you may have a lot
more experience in that regard.

Don't bother responding. I'll just skip your posts.
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Joel - *ist DS
 
Rick Ashford said:
Didn't mean to discount the usefulness of the battery grip -- if it
works for you, and you like it -- great. But for me -- I have
never used a battery grip and probably never will. Maybe I don't
know what I am missing.... but I just don't see the need for one
myself.
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Quite honestly Rick, I have a good feeling that you would ilke it too. I have had it for about a month, and I mostly bought it on an impulse. Now, I don't care for the feel of my *istD without the grip. Not having the grip option does detract from the attraction of the DS for me now. Quite honestly, before getting the grip, I didn't feel it was all that necessary. Now I feel differently.

For me, the most unprofessional thing about the DS has not been mentioned yet, at least not that I have seen. I really don't like how you have to enter into the menu system to change metering modes. I change modes often and having to take my eye off the viewfinder is a big disappointment. Secondly and similarly, adjusting the autofocus modes via the menu is also inconvenient to me.

A final thing about the D that is more professional, and one that never gets raised is the AF button on the back. Using that to autofocus and disabling the autofocus on half press of the shutter is actually a very professional and useful feature once you are used to it. Unfortunately, when adding the grip, the AF button is hard to reach though, so it wasn't entirely successful in its implementation, but handy without the grip.

These are not really shots at the DS, just ways I believe the D is a more professional unit.

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http://www.trekearth.com/members/Darren/photos/
http://www.darrenmelrose.com

Have camera, will travel
 
John Mc Dermott said:
psmith said:
John Mc Dermott said:
John Mc Dermott said:
1. instant preview with histogram displayed (and highlight/under
warning too?);
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If you are a professional you
shouldn't really need a histogram. :-)
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I am neutral about the ist DS/D debate but am little surprised
about this statement above.

I would have thought that one of the signs of professionalism is
the appreciation of and use of the histogram.
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I totally agree it's like sayimg if your a professional you don't
need a built in light meter, hand held maybe or perhaps you should
be able to judge it. Pathetic really I don't know why these people
are getting so upset.
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Why do you need a histogram really? You never needed one when you shot film? Why are YOU getting so upset?

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Lance B

 
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