ist Ds is better/more professional than ist D!

RiceHigh · Mar 17, 2005

for what?
1. instant preview with histogram displayed (and highlight/under warning too?);

2. rotated jpeg can be recorded in EXIF for the orientation field (later on one can use latest Irfanview to rotate automatically);

3. rotated jpeg can be zoomed;

4. Spot manual white balance option! Yes, it is spot - very useful;

So, I believe the "s" of Ds denotes "Super" not "Small" ;-) I plan to get the silver Ds. But when will it be available?

--
Best Regards,

RiceHigh - Pentax AF SLR/System User since 1988 (My Equipment are listed in Profile)

Zaldidun · Mar 17, 2005

RiceHigh said:
So, I believe the "s" of Ds denotes "Super" not "Small" ;-)

I regard the "s" as standing for "stunted".

No battery grip.

No pc flash contact.

Toy-like program settings and controls.

To each his own…

Lance B · Mar 17, 2005

RiceHigh said:
for what?
1. instant preview with histogram displayed (and highlight/under
warning too?);

Even some point and shoots and prosumers have this feature. Hardly what I would call professional. If you are a professional you shouldn't really need a histogram.

RiceHigh said:
2. rotated jpeg can be recorded in EXIF for the orientation field
(later on one can use latest Irfanview to rotate automatically);

Again even point and shoots and prosumers have this feature and hardly a reason to call something professional because of it.

RiceHigh said:
3. rotated jpeg can be zoomed;

I have never needed to rotate the review and I can't see that it is an advantage as it ends up being smaller. Then you have to zoom it to see the same size once you have rotated it.

RiceHigh said:
4. Spot manual white balance option! Yes, it is spot - very useful;

Hardly a deal breaker.

RiceHigh said:
So, I believe the "s" of Ds denotes "Super" not "Small" ;-) I plan
to get the silver Ds. But when will it be available?

I believe what you are doing is a sideways step and not forward step.

Still wouldn't convince me to give up my D as I have a more professional feature and that is the battery grip. ;-)

RiceHigh said:
--
Best Regards,
RiceHigh - Pentax AF SLR/System User since 1988 (My Equipment are
listed in Profile)

--
Lance B

RSorrell · Mar 17, 2005

Zaldidun said:
RiceHigh said:

So, I believe the "s" of Ds denotes "Super" not "Small" ;-)

Click to expand...

I regard the "s" as standing for "stunted".

No battery grip.

No pc flash contact.

Toy-like program settings and controls.

To each his own…

I read the data sheets from Pentax to compare the *istDs and the *istD.
Besides the above mentioned:

Does the Ds have Hyper Program and Manual modes?

The Ds has 18 user custom functions compared to 22 for the D.

Does the Ds have a diopler adjustment for eye piece? (OK, if you have good eyes this isn't a biggie) ... but the D has it

Compact Flash/Micro drive vs SD? no contest .. D wins there too.

Exposure modes? 6 for the D

Remote control?

The D has a lot of LCD playback functions that the Ds doesn't have. (zoom, etc.)

DOF preview? That's easy with the D.

OK, there are some inovations with the Ds ... the 2" LCD screen is better than 1.8" (.2" big deal)

And you can shoot 8 shots at 2.8fps instead of 6 at 2.6 fps on the D(yeah, big deal). I guess the Ds gets a point there.

The Ds has a 1/180 s flash sync where the D has a 1/150 s.

The one thing worth mentioning about the Ds is the USB v.2.0 vs. the USB v.1.1 of the D.

The big differences to me are the battery pack and the CF cards.

Maybe the D isn't worth paying twice as much for, but I'd sure miss the extras that I have come acustomed to.

DS_Dave · Mar 17, 2005

I think you caned the DS for a ot of incorrect reasons...but Im not saying the DS is Pro either. This is not a Flame

, just puting out there for others who arent in the know to read before they discount the DS -which is a fine camera indeed.

RSorrell said:
Does the Ds have Hyper Program and Manual modes?

Yes it has M mode.

RSorrell said:
The Ds has 18 user custom functions compared to 22 for the D.

Hmmm...so?

RSorrell said:
Does the Ds have a diopler adjustment for eye piece? (OK, if you
have good eyes this isn't a biggie) ... but the D has it

So does the DS.

RSorrell said:
Compact Flash/Micro drive vs SD? no contest .. D wins there too.

Why??

RSorrell said:
Exposure modes? 6 for the D

P, A,S,M,B and the Pic modes for the DS...no Hyperprogrm, but Ive never used it on my other pentax SLRs either...

RSorrell said:
Remote control?

Same as the D

RSorrell said:
The D has a lot of LCD playback functions that the Ds doesn't have.
(zoom, etc.)

The DS has all those! And the DS has instant** blown highlights warning as well -the D doesnt

that is a deal breaker for most

My freind thought he'd died and gone to heaven with that feature.

RSorrell said:
DOF preview? That's easy with the D.

DS certainly has this!

RSorrell said:
OK, there are some inovations with the Ds ... the 2" LCD screen is
better than 1.8" (.2" big deal)

Yes the DS has a much better spec here.

RSorrell said:
And you can shoot 8 shots at 2.8fps instead of 6 at 2.6 fps on the
D(yeah, big deal). I guess the Ds gets a point there.

Wow how kind of you...thats a big boost to most

RSorrell said:
The Ds has a 1/180 s flash sync where the D has a 1/150 s.

Again a little edge to the DS..

RSorrell said:
The one thing worth mentioning about the Ds is the USB v.2.0 vs.
the USB v.1.1 of the D.

Yeah, thats a 480x quicker transfer rate for the DS (in theory)...

RSorrell said:
The big differences to me are the battery pack and the CF cards.

Yeah the lack of grip is a blow to the DS for those people who actually want one (not me). I dont get the CF card issue though?

RSorrell said:
Maybe the D isn't worth paying twice as much for, but I'd sure miss
the extras that I have come acustomed to.

Many of them you mentioned arent even missing...

itev · Mar 17, 2005

Lance B said:
RiceHigh said:

for what?
1. instant preview with histogram displayed (and highlight/under
warning too?);

Click to expand...

Even some point and shoots and prosumers have this feature. Hardly
what I would call professional. If you are a professional you
shouldn't really need a histogram.

Lance B said:

2. rotated jpeg can be recorded in EXIF for the orientation field
(later on one can use latest Irfanview to rotate automatically);

Click to expand...

Again even point and shoots and prosumers have this feature and
hardly a reason to call something professional because of it.

Lance B said:

3. rotated jpeg can be zoomed;

Click to expand...

I have never needed to rotate the review and I can't see that it is
an advantage as it ends up being smaller. Then you have to zoom it
to see the same size once you have rotated it.

Lance B said:

4. Spot manual white balance option! Yes, it is spot - very useful;

Click to expand...

Hardly a deal breaker.

Lance B said:

So, I believe the "s" of Ds denotes "Super" not "Small" ;-) I plan
to get the silver Ds. But when will it be available?

Click to expand...

I believe what you are doing is a sideways step and not forward step.

Still wouldn't convince me to give up my D as I have a more
professional feature and that is the battery grip. ;-)

Lance B said:

--
Best Regards,
RiceHigh - Pentax AF SLR/System User since 1988 (My Equipment are
listed in Profile)

Click to expand...

--
Lance B

I add that :

The main part is not in the comparison but in the pleasure to be able to use in best the SLR that we chose for its qualities !

The pleasure of the photo according to our own way.

--
itev

*istD

Zaldidun · Mar 17, 2005

RSorrell said:
The one thing worth mentioning about the Ds is the USB v.2.0 vs.
the USB v.1.1 of the D.

That's totally irrelevant. Using your camera to download images to your computer is a VERY bad idea.

This excerpt is from a long-gone post by author Bruce Fraser in the Adobe Camera Raw forum:
Bruce Fraser - 4:17pm Jun 14, 04 PST (#5 of 21)

Opening files directly from the camera is a bad idea for a variety of reasons, and it most certainly isn't faster than using a FireWire or USB2 card reader.
• Drains the camera battery

• Runs the risk of the software you're using to open the images writing to the card and destroying the format
• Runs a small but significant risk of USB power frying the camera
• Slowest method known to mankind of getting images off a CF or SD card

I never let any of my cameras anywhere near my computer.

Joe Franek · Mar 17, 2005

itev said:
Lance B said:

RiceHigh said:

for what?
1. instant preview with histogram displayed (and highlight/under
warning too?);

Click to expand...

Even some point and shoots and prosumers have this feature. Hardly
what I would call professional. If you are a professional you
shouldn't really need a histogram.

itev said:

2. rotated jpeg can be recorded in EXIF for the orientation field
(later on one can use latest Irfanview to rotate automatically);

Click to expand...

Again even point and shoots and prosumers have this feature and
hardly a reason to call something professional because of it.

itev said:

3. rotated jpeg can be zoomed;

Click to expand...

I have never needed to rotate the review and I can't see that it is
an advantage as it ends up being smaller. Then you have to zoom it
to see the same size once you have rotated it.

itev said:

4. Spot manual white balance option! Yes, it is spot - very useful;

Click to expand...

Hardly a deal breaker.

itev said:

So, I believe the "s" of Ds denotes "Super" not "Small" ;-) I plan
to get the silver Ds. But when will it be available?

Click to expand...

I believe what you are doing is a sideways step and not forward step.

Still wouldn't convince me to give up my D as I have a more
professional feature and that is the battery grip. ;-)

itev said:

--
Best Regards,
RiceHigh - Pentax AF SLR/System User since 1988 (My Equipment are
listed in Profile)

Click to expand...

--
Lance B

Click to expand...

I add that :

The main part is not in the comparison but in the pleasure to be
able to use in best the SLR that we chose for its qualities !

The pleasure of the photo according to our own way.

--
itev

*istD

RSorrell · Mar 17, 2005

DS_Dave said:
RSorrell said:

Does the Ds have Hyper Program and Manual modes?

Click to expand...

Yes it has M mode.

DS_Dave said:

The Ds has 18 user custom functions compared to 22 for the D.

Click to expand...

Hmmm...so?

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DS_Dave said:
DS_Dave said:

Does the Ds have a diopler adjustment for eye piece? (OK, if you
have good eyes this isn't a biggie) ... but the D has it

Click to expand...

So does the DS.

DS_Dave said:

Compact Flash/Micro drive vs SD? no contest .. D wins there too.

Click to expand...

Why??

DS_Dave said:

Exposure modes? 6 for the D

Click to expand...

P, A,S,M,B and the Pic modes for the DS...no Hyperprogrm, but Ive
never used it on my other pentax SLRs either...

DS_Dave said:

Remote control?

Click to expand...

Same as the D

DS_Dave said:

The D has a lot of LCD playback functions that the Ds doesn't have.
(zoom, etc.)

Click to expand...

The DS has all those! And the DS has instant** blown highlights
warning as well -the D doesnt that is a deal breaker for most
My freind thought he'd died and gone to heaven with that feature.

DS_Dave said:

DOF preview? That's easy with the D.

Click to expand...

DS certainly has this!

DS_Dave said:

OK, there are some inovations with the Ds ... the 2" LCD screen is
better than 1.8" (.2" big deal)

Click to expand...

Yes the DS has a much better spec here.

DS_Dave said:

And you can shoot 8 shots at 2.8fps instead of 6 at 2.6 fps on the
D(yeah, big deal). I guess the Ds gets a point there.

Click to expand...

Wow how kind of you...thats a big boost to most

DS_Dave said:

The Ds has a 1/180 s flash sync where the D has a 1/150 s.

Click to expand...

Again a little edge to the DS..

DS_Dave said:

The one thing worth mentioning about the Ds is the USB v.2.0 vs.
the USB v.1.1 of the D.

Click to expand...

Yeah, thats a 480x quicker transfer rate for the DS (in theory)...

DS_Dave said:

The big differences to me are the battery pack and the CF cards.

Click to expand...

Yeah the lack of grip is a blow to the DS for those people who
actually want one (not me). I dont get the CF card issue though?

DS_Dave said:

Maybe the D isn't worth paying twice as much for, but I'd sure miss
the extras that I have come acustomed to.

Click to expand...

Many of them you mentioned arent even missing...

It's obvious I have never used a Ds ... or even looked at one for that matter. You've answered a lot of questions.

Well, like I said, my comparison was drawn from the Pentax web page. I guess I should've downloaded the manual for both cameras instead. It would appear a lot was left off the features page for the Ds.

I still prefer the CF cards. This isn't an electronics forum so I'll just say that's my preference.

Like the guy said ... each to his own. I'm happy with my D.

kristian2000 · Mar 17, 2005

I wouldn't say it's a non issue at all. After getting my DS, I thought one of my first purchases would be a USB card reader, however after witnessing the amazing transfer speed of copying the images from the DS to my computer I still haven't bought a card reader some three months later.

I think battery drain is irrelevant, the transfer is so fast that battery drain is not an issue.

I would never open and work on images on the card, be it in the camera or in a card reader.

Kristian Farren
http://kf3.net/gallery/

psmith · Mar 18, 2005

Zaldidun said:
That's totally irrelevant. Using your camera to download images to
your computer is a VERY bad idea.

I have been wondering about this. My own concern was that the USB socket on the camera was small, delicate and easy to damage.

Taking out the SD card and plugging it into a separate reader seemed simpler, more robust and less error prone.

It just so happens that very recently a friend did fry some other equipment when he connected it to the USB port of a new PC. He has since had the mother-board replaced under warranty, but that warranty would never have covered my camera as well.

psmith · Mar 18, 2005

Lance B said:
Lance B said:

1. instant preview with histogram displayed (and highlight/under
warning too?);

Click to expand...

If you are a professional you
shouldn't really need a histogram.

I am neutral about the ist DS/D debate but am little surprised about this statement above.

I would have thought that one of the signs of professionalism is the appreciation of and use of the histogram.

Roland Mabo · Mar 18, 2005

RiceHigh said:
So, I believe the "s" of Ds denotes "Super" not "Small" ;-) I plan
to get the silver Ds. But when will it be available?

I've always believed 'S' in Pentax terms means "Super".

In Sweden, the silver version is said to be available "end of March".

I'm tempted to go for it, but I have other expenses to take care about too. Choices, choices, choices... But a silver DS would make a great match to my FA 28-105 f/3.2-4.5 AL (IF) Silver.

I really like it, as small as my MZ-5n. Saw one side to side with the Dynax 7D recently (Sergel Foto in Stockholm). The 7D is twice as big! They can't sell many of them, who would want to carry that beast around?

Brett St Pierre · Mar 18, 2005

Roland Mabo said:
Saw one side to side with the Dynax
7D recently (Sergel Foto in Stockholm). The 7D is twice as big!
They can't sell many of them, who would want to carry that beast
around?

They are a beast! Good for hammering stakes into the ground with

You would miss many photo opportunities while you were finding something to support it's weight on....

--
Brett

The Journey is the Thing

richardday · Mar 18, 2005

RiceHigh said:
for what?
1. instant preview with histogram displayed (and highlight/under
warning too?);

2. rotated jpeg can be recorded in EXIF for the orientation field
(later on one can use latest Irfanview to rotate automatically);

3. rotated jpeg can be zoomed;

4. Spot manual white balance option! Yes, it is spot - very useful;

So, I believe the "s" of Ds denotes "Super" not "Small" ;-) I plan
to get the silver Ds. But when will it be available?

--
Best Regards,
RiceHigh - Pentax AF SLR/System User since 1988 (My Equipment are
listed in Profile)

Quoted from a poster in the Canon 1D forum

I liked it so much I've copied it!

Amatuers worry about equipment
Professionals worry about money
Masters worry about light

'nuff said!

Cheers
--
Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

mvb123 · Mar 18, 2005

richardday said:
Amatuers worry about equipment
Professionals worry about money
Masters worry about light

That's great!

Since I have the DS I've become at least a professional, because I don't have to worry anymore about my equipment ;-)

--
Menno
http://www.xs4all.nl/~mvanb/albums

itev · Mar 18, 2005

richardday said:
RiceHigh said:

for what?
1. instant preview with histogram displayed (and highlight/under
warning too?);

2. rotated jpeg can be recorded in EXIF for the orientation field
(later on one can use latest Irfanview to rotate automatically);

3. rotated jpeg can be zoomed;

4. Spot manual white balance option! Yes, it is spot - very useful;

So, I believe the "s" of Ds denotes "Super" not "Small" ;-) I plan
to get the silver Ds. But when will it be available?

--
Best Regards,
RiceHigh - Pentax AF SLR/System User since 1988 (My Equipment are
listed in Profile)

Click to expand...

Quoted from a poster in the Canon 1D forum

I liked it so much I've copied it!

Amatuers worry about equipment
Professionals worry about money
Masters worry about light

'nuff said!

Cheers
--
Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

There are many amateurs,
less professionals,
few Masters !

--
itev

*istD

snostorm · Mar 18, 2005

Roland Mabo said:
Saw one side to side with the Dynax
7D recently (Sergel Foto in Stockholm). The 7D is twice as big!
They can't sell many of them, who would want to carry that beast
around?

But they have sooooo many buttons!!! Ya gotta be impressed!!

Scott
(Brand new st DS owner -- 2 days)

simonist · Mar 18, 2005

I worry about light, but I am amatuer!

richardday said:
RiceHigh said:

for what?
1. instant preview with histogram displayed (and highlight/under
warning too?);

2. rotated jpeg can be recorded in EXIF for the orientation field
(later on one can use latest Irfanview to rotate automatically);

3. rotated jpeg can be zoomed;

4. Spot manual white balance option! Yes, it is spot - very useful;

So, I believe the "s" of Ds denotes "Super" not "Small" ;-) I plan
to get the silver Ds. But when will it be available?

--
Best Regards,
RiceHigh - Pentax AF SLR/System User since 1988 (My Equipment are
listed in Profile)

Click to expand...

Quoted from a poster in the Canon 1D forum

I liked it so much I've copied it!

Amatuers worry about equipment
Professionals worry about money
Masters worry about light

'nuff said!

Cheers
--
Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

--
simonist

John Mc Dermott · Mar 18, 2005

psmith said:
psmith said:

psmith said:

1. instant preview with histogram displayed (and highlight/under
warning too?);

Click to expand...

If you are a professional you
shouldn't really need a histogram.

Click to expand...

I am neutral about the ist DS/D debate but am little surprised
about this statement above.

I would have thought that one of the signs of professionalism is
the appreciation of and use of the histogram.

I totally agree it's like sayimg if your a professional you don't need a built in light meter, hand held maybe or perhaps you should be able to judge it. Pathetic really I don't know why these people are getting so upset.

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