Sigma 500 DG Super VS 420EX

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Ive read many threads on these flashes but I still need something clarified. Is there any feature or capability on the 420EX that the Sigma 500 DG can't perform ? Should I buy the Sigma rather than the 420 ? My XT should arrive tomorrow now I want to order the flash... Thanks Chris
 
Ive read many threads on these flashes but I still need something
clarified. Is there any feature or capability on the 420EX that the
Sigma 500 DG can't perform ? Should I buy the Sigma rather than the
420 ? My XT should arrive tomorrow now I want to order the flash...
Thanks Chris
I have 420 flash , it's good enough for me, sigma is just stronger

420 has the high speedy mod which sigma don't haev, if you shoot indoor sport maybe you should get the 420.
 
I believe the only limitation of the Sigma is that the assist beam only works with the center af point. The 420 works with all of the af points.
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Best, Bruce
 
Would you consider a flash to be "essential"? I'm just getting started. Got the 350 and the Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM on my way from amazon. I'll have $100 to burn when my rebate comes. Would a flash be the next appropriate tool?
 
I dont know but my excuse to my wife for buying this camera (XT) was that I could get an external flash and it will elmininate the red eye. I take a lot of pictures of family and indoor shots. So I thought I better get ready to get one just in case I still get too many red eye shots indoors. Took some indoor pictures of my daughter and her friends (20 teens)for their winter formal dance and there were so many people in a picture with red eye that it was unfixable...(using Canon S50).
Would you consider a flash to be "essential"? I'm just getting
started. Got the 350 and the Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM on
my way from amazon. I'll have $100 to burn when my rebate comes.
Would a flash be the next appropriate tool?
 
The red eye ia an omnipresent thing in today´s cameras, with my old EOS-500 I´d never get a red eye, and the flash is lower than the drebel flash, but that baby has a strong "kripton" (as Canon call it) asist lamp and you really close the irirs of the people in fornt of the flash...

Today, with the tiny/dim/ LED like "anti redeye lamp" you get a haigh % of shots with red eye...

I also was researching about the flash, (actually I started a trhead yesterday, but it not contain the Magic word I thin "XT" son one single replay...), and I want big power due to the fact that I´m the family photographer... and want all the features possible.. you know.

I don´t know in practical terms the difference between a guide number of 42 or one of 54... with a 42 GN I will illuminate a tipical situation in a children brithday party???

Regards.
Would you consider a flash to be "essential"? I'm just getting
started. Got the 350 and the Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM on
my way from amazon. I'll have $100 to burn when my rebate comes.
Would a flash be the next appropriate tool?
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Willy
 
I use the Sigma and love it. I use it with the Dreb so the fact that it has full controls built into the flash is great for me. It can also be used as an optical slave which I am not sure if the 420 has that feature.

The Sigma is also considered the alternative for the Canon 550, which would seem to make it a step above the 420ex.

Dave
 
The power of the 500 Super is amazing. I was shooting a mansion that was backlit by afternoon sun, the 500 lit the whole front of a 2 story mansion!

Any external flash gives you a lot more options. I was trying to take a family portrait outside, late in the afternoon with VERY bright, but low sun. If people faced the sun, they were squinting, if we took it with them 90 degrees to the sun, the built-in flash wasn't enough to light the other sides of peoples faces. Nor could it over-power the sun with the family backlit. Even in open shade, the flash wasn't enough to really light everyones faces. I can't tell you how frustrated I was. At the very least, the open shade and the backlit shots would have worked with the 500 (I've taken similar shots with it).

Look at some of your current indoor flash shots. Notice the shadows behind people? Dead give-away that it was a point-and-shoot. With an external, bouncing it off the ceiling at a 45 or even a 90 will make a dramtic difference. Someone mentioned the omni-bounce, it softens the light even more. Get one, it's another huge improvement.

Several things the 500 can do that the 420 can't:
  • External optical slave. You can trigger it with any flash, like the built-in flash, or even one on a point-and-shoot. My mom's shots with her S400 got sooooo much better when I used my 500 as a slave.
  • Modeling flash. Not sure how much you'll use it as it totally blinds your subjects. It has shown me when there was a reflection off some fireplace doors and when someone had on running shoes with reflective material on them, but mostly it just annoys people. Has to help with red-eye, as it puts out soooo much light that your pupils will be the size of a pin.
The focus assist is a HUGE help when shooting in low light or dark subjects. Relatives have a black dog that is IMPOSSIBLE to focus on. WIth the flash, it improved my percentage from less than 1% to around 50%. You can even set the flash to NOT fire, but still use the focus assist.

Hope this helps,
Tyler
 
Good review. Now you make me want to run about and spend the money to buy one. ;)
The power of the 500 Super is amazing. I was shooting a mansion
that was backlit by afternoon sun, the 500 lit the whole front of a
2 story mansion!

Any external flash gives you a lot more options. I was trying to
take a family portrait outside, late in the afternoon with VERY
bright, but low sun. If people faced the sun, they were squinting,
if we took it with them 90 degrees to the sun, the built-in flash
wasn't enough to light the other sides of peoples faces. Nor could
it over-power the sun with the family backlit. Even in open shade,
the flash wasn't enough to really light everyones faces. I can't
tell you how frustrated I was. At the very least, the open shade
and the backlit shots would have worked with the 500 (I've taken
similar shots with it).

Look at some of your current indoor flash shots. Notice the
shadows behind people? Dead give-away that it was a
point-and-shoot. With an external, bouncing it off the ceiling at
a 45 or even a 90 will make a dramtic difference. Someone
mentioned the omni-bounce, it softens the light even more. Get
one, it's another huge improvement.

Several things the 500 can do that the 420 can't:
  • External optical slave. You can trigger it with any flash, like
the built-in flash, or even one on a point-and-shoot. My mom's
shots with her S400 got sooooo much better when I used my 500 as a
slave.
  • Modeling flash. Not sure how much you'll use it as it totally
blinds your subjects. It has shown me when there was a reflection
off some fireplace doors and when someone had on running shoes with
reflective material on them, but mostly it just annoys people. Has
to help with red-eye, as it puts out soooo much light that your
pupils will be the size of a pin.

The focus assist is a HUGE help when shooting in low light or dark
subjects. Relatives have a black dog that is IMPOSSIBLE to focus
on. WIth the flash, it improved my percentage from less than 1% to
around 50%. You can even set the flash to NOT fire, but still use
the focus assist.

Hope this helps,
Tyler
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This month's (Feb) Photographic Monthly. They have a flashgun round-up which includes the Sigma EF 500 DG Super. They complained of coverage "light spread" problems at 28mm and shadowing at the lower portion of the frame at 70mm. They actually recommended the cheaper Sunpak PZ 4000AF over the Sigma. The 420 wasn't included in the round-up.
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Best, Bruce
 
You can even set the flash to NOT fire, but still use
the focus assist.
really? I was told that this is a custom function of a camera body (like the 20D) and wasn't possible to set on the flash itself. or can you enable focus assist without flash on a 300D/350D?

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The other advantage is the ability to swivel and angle the head so that you can bounce the flash off a ceiling. The reason why this is good is that it results in more natural shadows. We walk around accustomed to seeing objects and people lit from above. When you front light a scene, then everything looks flat since all the shadows are obliterated. Bounce the flash off the ceiling and you'll have a much more natural picture without the 'deer in headlights' look. Thanks to the magic of TTL metering, the flash stays on enough to light the scene and no more.
 
No swivel on the PZ 4000 AF.
This month's (Feb) Photographic Monthly. They have a flashgun
round-up which includes the Sigma EF 500 DG Super. They complained
of coverage "light spread" problems at 28mm and shadowing at the
lower portion of the frame at 70mm. They actually recommended the
cheaper Sunpak PZ 4000AF over the Sigma. The 420 wasn't included in
the round-up.
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Best, Bruce
 
No, I believe the 500 DG super does have FP flash. But you don't use HS flash for sports anyways because it doesn't help freeze subjects. The reason being is that FP flash is actually not one burst of light, but many small bursts of light, kind of like a strobe. (but not exactly)
Ive read many threads on these flashes but I still need something
clarified. Is there any feature or capability on the 420EX that the
Sigma 500 DG can't perform ? Should I buy the Sigma rather than the
420 ? My XT should arrive tomorrow now I want to order the flash...
Thanks Chris
I have 420 flash , it's good enough for me, sigma is just stronger

420 has the high speedy mod which sigma don't haev, if you shoot
indoor sport maybe you should get the 420.
 
Even if you use an external flash, you might consider a flash extension bracket that mounts the flash above the camera and also provides an extra grip. You'll also need a flash extension cord. I used this rig for several hundred pics during weddings and never had any red eye. The pics also seemed to look more natural.

Greg
 
If you set the flash on ISO mode and you flash will not fire but the AF assist will work..
You can even set the flash to NOT fire, but still use
the focus assist.
really? I was told that this is a custom function of a camera body
(like the 20D) and wasn't possible to set on the flash itself. or
can you enable focus assist without flash on a 300D/350D?

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my amateur nightclub photo gallery: http://antonipildid.net
 
If you set the flash on ISO mode and you flash will not fire but
the AF assist will work..
would this also work in a wireless flash setup? say with a 420EX? this is what I want to achieve - Sigma 500 on camera, fires the focus assist beam but does NOT fire the flash itself when I press the shutter, instead the 420EX wireless slave fires the flash. can this be achieved on the 300D/350D?

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my amateur nightclub photo gallery: http://antonipildid.net
 
Several things the 500 can do that the 420 can't:
  • External optical slave. You can trigger it with any flash, like
the built-in flash, or even one on a point-and-shoot. My mom's
shots with her S400 got sooooo much better when I used my 500 as a
slave.
Yes and no.

Yes, it can function as an optical slave, triggered by any flash. The 420EX cannot. Problem is that it's completely manual, and gets fooled by the pref-flash. It's not really convenient.

Flashes can also funtion as a slave for wireless E-TTL. (You need a master transmitter for that).

The Sigma 500 apparantly is NOT fully compatible, and for example can only function manually. The 420EX IS fully compatible with wireless auto E-TTL.
  • Modeling flash. Not sure how much you'll use it as it totally
blinds your subjects. It has shown me when there was a reflection
off some fireplace doors and when someone had on running shoes with
reflective material on them, but mostly it just annoys people. Has
to help with red-eye, as it puts out soooo much light that your
pupils will be the size of a pin.
The 420EX has modelling flash too. Select slave mode, (even though it's on the hot-shoe of your camera) and press the DoF preview button. The modelling flash will fire.
 
Ive read many threads on these flashes but I still need something
clarified. Is there any feature or capability on the 420EX that the
Sigma 500 DG can't perform ?
Yes, there are a few:

As a single flash on the camera:
  • The 420EX has a AF assist beam that covers all 7 AF points of the XT. The Sigma only covers the center AF point.
  • Both flashes have high sync option. However, the 420EX remembers that option, when you select a lower speed, and go back up to a higher speed again. The Sigma forgets the setting, and has to be reset every time.
As a wireless E-TTL slave:
  • The 420EX allows for fully auto E-TTL slave, while apparantly the Sigma500 only can do manual E-TTL.
  • The 420 does a ratio modelling flash, while the Sigma always fires full power.
Ofcourse, there's also quite a few features that the Sigma has, which the 420 hasn't.

If you want a pretty complete overview, look here:
http://eosdoc.com/manuals.asp?q=ETTLDx

In my opinion:

When you want just a single flash, there's not much difference. I do think the 420 is the better choice. It has everything you need, while the Sigma 500 lacks the proper AF assist. It does have additional features, but you won't use them.

If you want to go into the Canon wireless E-TTL system, also go with either the 420, or the 550/580. The sigma seems to lack important wireless E-TTL compatibitly. (You can start with a 420, and later include a ST-E2 or 580EX when needed).

However, while Canon's wireless E-TTL is very powerfull and flexible, it's also very expensive. The Sigma 500 allows for multiple flashes, either as a dump optical slave, or as a manual E-TTL slave for a lot lower cost. The price you pay is convenience, needing to go manual most of the times.
 

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