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but why do people insist on a firmware update to add MLU. Didn't someone say there is a technical reason why it won't work on D70 due to design? Or is really something Nikon just didn't care to add?
TOF guy said:
Eric said it himself: take it with a grain of salt/pepper.

Besides, he is right to say that the D70 should have MLU. Maybe
Nikon will propose a firmware update after reading his post :-)

Thierry
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I don't miss the "whatnot". There was a time when EVERY SLR camera over $100 had mirror lockup. FYI I bought the camera for a specific purpose which it fulfills. BUT leaving off a feature that in reality would cost nothing, would increase it's ulility (astrophotography, microphotography, even ultra-long telephotography), and that every other camera in it's class has (or has with a hack), is shortsighted.

W.
Paul.R.Lindqvist said:
Wayne DeWitt said:
I and others bitched up a storm over the mirror lockup. And the
original poster is right, it really is brainless and does cripple
the camera. I do high mag microscope photograpy; have to use my
Kodak 14n because of camera shake with the D70.

Wayne
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I assume u where aware of the fact that D70 did not have MLU when u
bought it ? if not... well not doing you homework before u buy a
product is just plain lazy.

The thing that i find funny is people buy a product well aware of
its feature set (and limitations) still after they bought it they
whine and moan about features that they think is essintial for
every dslr.A tip next time is to buy a body that have mlu and
veritcal grip and what not... i for one will... .-)

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Devendra,

Thank you very much for your input! I couldn't agree with you more and IMO your post and examples should put the exclamation point at the end of the discussion.

Todd
Devendra said:
here are some samples.. out of the box.. at 0 in camera sharpening..

80mm f22 1/15> 100% crop from above - no incamera sharpening, no nothing.
Devendra said:
185mm f22 1/20
100% crop from above - no incamera sharpening, no nothing.
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no im not lookin for photo critique here as these are just samples!
these were taking with a 80-200 f2.8 mounted on the D70. This is a
heavy lens and it does not have a tripod collar, so I had to mount
the D70 on the tripod. Despite one more possibility of shake, the
pictures are without blur and quite sharp, even at the edges.

now enjoy the fact that you do not need to turn extra buttons and
think to twice before using MLU :)
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I realize the original thread was a joke and a hoax, but it got me started thinking about MLU and the D70's lack thereof. Has it ever been a factor for me? I so rarely shoot at the problematic speeds that I'd have to say "no". The few times I have, I can't say that mirror vibration was a factor. I'm curious about how often and under what circumstances do others run into a need or have a desire for MLU?

Here's one of the few pics I've done at such a slow speed. Handheld at 1/8th sec. with the 50mm 1.4. As I recall, the picture is about a 50% crop (don't have the original right at hand). Razor sharp? No, and hard to really tell because of the lack of light; but not bad, considering the fact that it was taken handheld and I was wrestling with that awful mirror slap! ;-)



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Your handholding of the camera could potentially have counteracted the vibration from the mirror. This possibility is unlikely, but nonetheless might have happened for that particular shot. To test for mirror slap vibration you need to use a good tripod.
knickerhawk said:
I realize the original thread was a joke and a hoax, but it got me
started thinking about MLU and the D70's lack thereof. Has it ever
been a factor for me? I so rarely shoot at the problematic speeds
that I'd have to say "no". The few times I have, I can't say that
mirror vibration was a factor. I'm curious about how often and
under what circumstances do others run into a need or have a desire
for MLU?

Here's one of the few pics I've done at such a slow speed. Handheld
at 1/8th sec. with the 50mm 1.4. As I recall, the picture is
about a 50% crop (don't have the original right at hand). Razor
sharp? No, and hard to really tell because of the lack of light;
but not bad, considering the fact that it was taken handheld and I
was wrestling with that awful mirror slap! ;-)



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Oh gawd, the camera is not F*CKIN crippled!

Grow up people! MLU is hardly a deal breaker for a lot of photographers.
Wayne DeWitt said:
Wayne
TOF guy said:
Eric said it himself: take it with a grain of salt/pepper.

Besides, he is right to say that the D70 should have MLU. Maybe
Nikon will propose a firmware update after reading his post :-)

Thierry
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I can't beleive the picture is that crisp at 1/8, even with the lens wide open.

I agree that probably 2 or 3% of shots could possibly be affected by lack of MLU, so it is not really that big of a deal. BUT from what I have heard, Nikon could have included this with the D70 without that much fuss. Not sure why they didnt?
Robotnik123 said:
knickerhawk said:
I realize the original thread was a joke and a hoax, but it got me
started thinking about MLU and the D70's lack thereof. Has it ever
been a factor for me? I so rarely shoot at the problematic speeds
that I'd have to say "no". The few times I have, I can't say that
mirror vibration was a factor. I'm curious about how often and
under what circumstances do others run into a need or have a desire
for MLU?

Here's one of the few pics I've done at such a slow speed. Handheld
at 1/8th sec. with the 50mm 1.4. As I recall, the picture is
about a 50% crop (don't have the original right at hand). Razor
sharp? No, and hard to really tell because of the lack of light;
but not bad, considering the fact that it was taken handheld and I
was wrestling with that awful mirror slap! ;-)



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Shutterbugin said:
I agree that probably 2 or 3% of shots could possibly be affected
by lack of MLU, so it is not really that big of a deal. BUT from
what I have heard, Nikon could have included this with the D70
without that much fuss. Not sure why they didnt?
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Hi-

As one poster already explained: to give incentive to buy the pro cameras. Considering the D2X is $5000, there's gotta be some differences.

I feel that the D70 is still a phenomenal deal for the price. The 20D may have MLU, but it doesn't have a spotmeter, or a true 500th flash sync, which people unknowingly presume is OK because they can do ISO 100 at 250th, but it's not the same. See here:

http://www.planetneil.com./faq/flash-sync.html

I would much rather have a spotmeter and 500th flash sync than MLU.

Also, maybe Canon had to put in MLU. It is widely known and accepted by professionals that Canon's mirror slap/shutter slap is strong enough to cause blurring at up to 60th of a second.
 
Wayne DeWitt said:
I don't miss the "whatnot". There was a time when EVERY SLR camera
over $100 had mirror lockup. FYI I bought the camera for a specific
purpose which it fulfills. BUT leaving off a feature that in
reality would cost nothing, would increase it's ulility
(astrophotography, microphotography, even ultra-long
telephotography), and that every other camera in it's class has (or
has with a hack), is shortsighted.

W.
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Kind of naive to think nikon is shortsighted (or did u refer to me ? :-)

either way, doenst take much to understand that Nikon would not pack their entry level Dslr with all the features and functions that their pro-sumer bodies have. If u give the D70 vertical grip and MLU, well it would be the D100 replacement. Canon did the same with the 300d they limited the feature set so it wouldnt take to much spotlight from the 10d.

if u bought the D70 for specific purpose and its doing the job alright, what are u complaining about then ?
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Evicerator said:
I have no problem with using ISO 200 and getting a sharp vibrant
picture. Even one such as his.
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Of course you don't. I don't know who said ISO had anything to do with that. Wedding photographers have used ISO 400, ISO 800, and ISO 3200 for years. I've shot hundreds of weddings never using anything less than ISO 400.

ISO only has to do with how much light the film gathers and how fast, not how SHARP a lens is. ISO on digital means the same thing. If you were shooting outdoors in bright sun, you might want to lower the ISO. If you're shooting in low light, you might want to raise it. At the same time, if you want less grain/noise, you try to lower it. However, sometimes grain looks nice and there is still a strong following of Kodak's 3200 B&W film- a biggie with wedding photographers. I don't think ISO 100 or 200 really has any difference when shooting a sunset. If you really want a nice pic, shoot it with Fuji Velvia slide.
 
I think his post had to do with Canon folk denouncing the D70 for lack of ISO100 (have seen many posts to this regard). We realize what the ISO does, and does not affect sharpness - it is more an issue of noise...which neither camera produces at its lowest ISO.
Sharon C. said:
Evicerator said:
I have no problem with using ISO 200 and getting a sharp vibrant
picture. Even one such as his.
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Of course you don't. I don't know who said ISO had anything to do
with that. Wedding photographers have used ISO 400, ISO 800, and
ISO 3200 for years. I've shot hundreds of weddings never using
anything less than ISO 400.

ISO only has to do with how much light the film gathers and how
fast, not how SHARP a lens is. ISO on digital means the same
thing. If you were shooting outdoors in bright sun, you might want
to lower the ISO. If you're shooting in low light, you might want
to raise it. At the same time, if you want less grain/noise, you
try to lower it. However, sometimes grain looks nice and there is
still a strong following of Kodak's 3200 B&W film- a biggie with
wedding photographers. I don't think ISO 100 or 200 really has any
difference when shooting a sunset. If you really want a nice pic,
shoot it with Fuji Velvia slide.
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Robotnik123 said:
knickerhawk said:
I realize the original thread was a joke and a hoax, but it got me
started thinking about MLU and the D70's lack thereof. Has it ever
been a factor for me? I so rarely shoot at the problematic speeds
that I'd have to say "no". The few times I have, I can't say that
mirror vibration was a factor. I'm curious about how often and
under what circumstances do others run into a need or have a desire
for MLU?

Here's one of the few pics I've done at such a slow speed. Handheld
at 1/8th sec. with the 50mm 1.4. As I recall, the picture is
about a 50% crop (don't have the original right at hand). Razor
sharp? No, and hard to really tell because of the lack of light;
but not bad, considering the fact that it was taken handheld and I
was wrestling with that awful mirror slap! ;-)



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The object of the thread was more profound than this. The object of the thread has nothing to do with MLU and ISO 100, or a cable release or a battery grip... It's about to show how stupid we fight over "mine is bigger than yours", "my father is stronger than yours". Got the idea ?

Here's more about it :

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=12662695

Then read this, Eneref really really pinpoint the problem :

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=12662865

Got it ?

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this is one good example of how gleeful you were..
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=12654666

you continued to enjoy the ride of fame and continued to talk about how D70 is at a disadvantage.. then went on about low shutter speed can ruin the shot b/c of lack of MLU (maybe its highly likely in 300D).. until people flamed you for your flaws you were in agreement with everything that was said bad about the D70.. the fact is - your post was highly pathetic.

its called karma.. do it right, it comes back ten fold, do it wrong.. and it will be ten fold too, hopefully you have come mature out of your pranks.
Eric CAN said:
The object of the thread was more profound than this. The object of
the thread has nothing to do with MLU and ISO 100, or a cable
release or a battery grip... It's about to show how stupid we fight
over "mine is bigger than yours", "my father is stronger than
yours". Got the idea ?

Here's more about it :

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=12662695

Then read this, Eneref really really pinpoint the problem :

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=12662865

Got it ?
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preach this in the canon forum
Eric CAN said:
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