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Lately OM Fan's predictions of a failing E-system are correct. His reasoning is WRONG!

In the year 2015, consumer cameras will have over 22 Megapixels (just a prediction, but if OM Fan can make predictions, I will also).

22-24 MP seems to be the agreed limit of the Zuiko lenses as well as the Canon lenses. So in fact, the Canon EOS systems is also DOOMED! 10 years from now, there will have to be a new standard to break the 22-24MP barrier. All of today's manufacturers will have to abandon their current mounts in favor of NEW digital lenses that can resolve up to 50MP or so. This is why I plan on keeping my E-system and getting a second camera for the really detailed stuff.

Although I like taking macro shots with my E1, I can see where 24MP would make for that much better of an image. When 24MP cameras are offered, I will likely get one, and that will probably be the end of my equipment conquest unless I find a large demand for higher MP counts.

So basically, OM Fan is right about the E-System's demise...what he is not telling you is that the EOS system and the Nikkon System are also doomed. He has selectively left out those details.

Lets all gather 'round and sing songs by the fire.
 
E1derful said:
Lately OM Fan's predictions of a failing E-system are correct. His
reasoning is WRONG!

In the year 2015, consumer cameras will have over 22 Megapixels
(just a prediction, but if OM Fan can make predictions, I will
also).

22-24 MP seems to be the agreed limit of the Zuiko lenses as well
as the Canon lenses. So in fact, the Canon EOS systems is also
DOOMED! 10 years from now, there will have to be a new standard to
break the 22-24MP barrier. All of today's manufacturers will have
to abandon their current mounts in favor of NEW digital lenses that
can resolve up to 50MP or so. This is why I plan on keeping my
E-system and getting a second camera for the really detailed stuff.

Although I like taking macro shots with my E1, I can see where 24MP
would make for that much better of an image. When 24MP cameras are
offered, I will likely get one, and that will probably be the end
of my equipment conquest unless I find a large demand for higher MP
counts.

So basically, OM Fan is right about the E-System's demise...what he
is not telling you is that the EOS system and the Nikkon System are
also doomed. He has selectively left out those details.

Lets all gather 'round and sing songs by the fire.
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E1derful said:
22-24 MP seems to be the agreed limit of the Zuiko lenses
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Define limit.
Limit as in they won't work (being optically unuseable) above this MP density

or limit as in no loss of quality up to this threshold, implying that they may very well work far and above this range, possibly with no real visible distortion in practice much as many of the non digital lenses manage now.

Makes a big difference.

Bear in mind that Oly err on the side of caution - see 'useable' operating ranges quoted for the OM lenses using the adapter where many (most) people can still get great results outside these limits.
 
yep, and the quoted flash sync on the E-300 of 1/180 whereas everyone who's tried and reported their findings gets 1/250th no problem
Big Ga said:
Bear in mind that Oly err on the side of caution - see 'useable'
operating ranges quoted for the OM lenses using the adapter where
many (most) people can still get great results outside these limits.
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Big Ga said:
E1derful said:
22-24 MP seems to be the agreed limit of the Zuiko lenses
Click to expand...
Define limit.
Limit as in they won't work (being optically unuseable) above this
MP density
or limit as in no loss of quality up to this threshold, implying
that they may very well work far and above this range, possibly
with no real visible distortion in practice much as many of the non
digital lenses manage now.

Makes a big difference.
Bear in mind that Oly err on the side of caution - see 'useable'
operating ranges quoted for the OM lenses using the adapter where
many (most) people can still get great results outside these limits.
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By limit, I am referring to the resolving power. I think that means that extra MP will make no difference in image quality.
 
Exactly: people who want more than pathetic 16MP snapshots of cats will all eventually get cameras like the Mamiya ZD 22MP 645 format DSLR, at least until the full frame 6x7cm format sensors arrive.

Except that as far as I can tell, the twin jaws of diffraction blurring at smaller apertures and OOF blurring (low DOF) at large apertures set a usable pixel count, and this limit does not change at all with format. Making full use of 50MP requires apertures so large (to avoid severe loss of detail to diffraction) that only a very narrow DOF range will be sharp to the full 50MP level. I would like to examine some prints from 22MP sensors, as I expect that the useful limit is not much beyond 20MP, except for special situations like images of grand distant scenes that have no need of foreground sharpness.
 
However I am very pleased with my recent purchase of an e-300 body! It works great with my OM lenses.

Cheers
E1derful said:
Lately OM Fan's predictions of a failing E-system are correct. His
reasoning is WRONG!

In the year 2015, consumer cameras will have over 22 Megapixels
(just a prediction, but if OM Fan can make predictions, I will
also).

22-24 MP seems to be the agreed limit of the Zuiko lenses as well
as the Canon lenses. So in fact, the Canon EOS systems is also
DOOMED! 10 years from now, there will have to be a new standard to
break the 22-24MP barrier. All of today's manufacturers will have
to abandon their current mounts in favor of NEW digital lenses that
can resolve up to 50MP or so. This is why I plan on keeping my
E-system and getting a second camera for the really detailed stuff.

Although I like taking macro shots with my E1, I can see where 24MP
would make for that much better of an image. When 24MP cameras are
offered, I will likely get one, and that will probably be the end
of my equipment conquest unless I find a large demand for higher MP
counts.

So basically, OM Fan is right about the E-System's demise...what he
is not telling you is that the EOS system and the Nikkon System are
also doomed. He has selectively left out those details.

Lets all gather 'round and sing songs by the fire.
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OM Fan has veered to the Dark side.
This is a miracle of biblical proportion. :)
Enjoy your E300.

Now your user name makes more sense. :)

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Those who are fools who think they are wise men are the real fools.

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E1derful said:
Lately OM Fan's predictions of a failing E-system are correct. His
reasoning is WRONG!

In the year 2015, consumer cameras will have over 22 Megapixels
(just a prediction, but if OM Fan can make predictions, I will
also).

22-24 MP seems to be the agreed limit of the Zuiko lenses as well
as the Canon lenses. So in fact, the Canon EOS systems is also
DOOMED! 10 years from now, there will have to be a new standard to
break the 22-24MP barrier. All of today's manufacturers will have
to abandon their current mounts in favor of NEW digital lenses that
can resolve up to 50MP or so. This is why I plan on keeping my
E-system and getting a second camera for the really detailed stuff.

Although I like taking macro shots with my E1, I can see where 24MP
would make for that much better of an image. When 24MP cameras are
offered, I will likely get one, and that will probably be the end
of my equipment conquest unless I find a large demand for higher MP
counts.

So basically, OM Fan is right about the E-System's demise...what he
is not telling you is that the EOS system and the Nikkon System are
also doomed. He has selectively left out those details.

Lets all gather 'round and sing songs by the fire.
Click to expand...
 
JoeK917 said:
E1derful said:
Lately OM Fan's predictions of a failing E-system are correct. His
reasoning is WRONG!

In the year 2015, consumer cameras will have over 22 Megapixels
(just a prediction, but if OM Fan can make predictions, I will
also).

22-24 MP seems to be the agreed limit of the Zuiko lenses as well
as the Canon lenses. So in fact, the Canon EOS systems is also
DOOMED! 10 years from now, there will have to be a new standard to
break the 22-24MP barrier. All of today's manufacturers will have
to abandon their current mounts in favor of NEW digital lenses that
can resolve up to 50MP or so. This is why I plan on keeping my
E-system and getting a second camera for the really detailed stuff.

Although I like taking macro shots with my E1, I can see where 24MP
would make for that much better of an image. When 24MP cameras are
offered, I will likely get one, and that will probably be the end
of my equipment conquest unless I find a large demand for higher MP
counts.

So basically, OM Fan is right about the E-System's demise...what he
is not telling you is that the EOS system and the Nikkon System are
also doomed. He has selectively left out those details.

Lets all gather 'round and sing songs by the fire.
Click to expand...
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E1derful said:
Lately OM Fan's predictions of a failing E-system are correct. His
reasoning is WRONG!

In the year 2015, consumer cameras will have over 22 Megapixels
(just a prediction, but if OM Fan can make predictions, I will
also).

22-24 MP seems to be the agreed limit of the Zuiko lenses as well
as the Canon lenses. So in fact, the Canon EOS systems is also
DOOMED! 10 years from now, there will have to be a new standard to
break the 22-24MP barrier. All of today's manufacturers will have
to abandon their current mounts in favor of NEW digital lenses that
can resolve up to 50MP or so. This is why I plan on keeping my
E-system and getting a second camera for the really detailed stuff.

Although I like taking macro shots with my E1, I can see where 24MP
would make for that much better of an image. When 24MP cameras are
offered, I will likely get one, and that will probably be the end
of my equipment conquest unless I find a large demand for higher MP
counts.

So basically, OM Fan is right about the E-System's demise...what he
is not telling you is that the EOS system and the Nikkon System are
also doomed. He has selectively left out those details.

Lets all gather 'round and sing songs by the fire.
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In common with many people you seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding the point of digital imaging vs chemical photography.

ALL digtal systems rely on bandwith limiting to work at all, the first stage in designing the system is deciding what amount of detail is sufficient for the application. Digital cameras have already proved that 5MP is easily enough for the traditional 6x4 print market (now transitioning to the kiosk / email / homepage market) and those of us who use DSLRs know that 5Mp is also good enoguh for A4 and - to a lesser extent - A3 sizes as well. In practice, which is what matters, the high pixel count cameras are ALREADY doing more than 35mm film could in terms of usable detail, and that's ENOUGH for 90% of the market now or in the future. I'd expect a slow climb to the 10-16 MP level for most cams, and little - if any progress beyond that. Bayer may be replaced by a Foveon-like technology for better all-channel resolution; sensitivity will no doubt improve and processing speed will escalate until there's no reason not to shoot real time video with our cameras at higher than HD quality.

But as to whether the market wants or needs 22MP for a 6x4 print? Nope, they want it all cheaper, not better.

--
Adrian

'I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have
been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and

then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great
ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.' - Sir Isaac Newton
 
My guess is that an 8 megapixel image will be acceptable to the eye. I wonder if this is testable. My assumptiion is that people will be sharing images to watch on a screen, a big one....everyone gathers around the telly like the old fireplaces of yore, and the campfires of our ancient ancestors. What size looks good on a big HDTV? Anyone?
Gerry S.
Flatus Institute
Dirigible Research for Tomorrow's Airfleet
 
Gerry Siegel said:
My guess is that an 8 megapixel image will be acceptable to the
eye. I wonder if this is testable. My assumptiion is that people
will be sharing images to watch on a screen, a big one....everyone
gathers around the telly like the old fireplaces of yore, and the
campfires of our ancient ancestors. What size looks good on a big
HDTV? Anyone?
Gerry S.
Flatus Institute
Dirigible Research for Tomorrow's Airfleet
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E1derful said:
Lately OM Fan's predictions of a failing E-system are correct. His
reasoning is WRONG!

In the year 2015, consumer cameras will have over 22 Megapixels
(just a prediction, but if OM Fan can make predictions, I will
also).

22-24 MP seems to be the agreed limit of the Zuiko lenses as well
as the Canon lenses. So in fact, the Canon EOS systems is also
DOOMED!
Click to expand...
Personally I don't think much of canon's "legacy" line is going to make it to the 12MP APS sensor camera's quality time line. The 1Ds is already past what some of the L lenses can resolve.
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Stacey
 
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