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John Swenson
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"Anybody who flames his post is absolutely STUPID."
Would you have us believe that's an intelligent comment?
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John Swenson
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Why upgrade from Windows 98 or Windows Me to Windows XP?
Why upgrade from a Coolpix 800 or 950 to a Nikon D1 or D1x?
Why upgrade from a 1-megapixel digital camera to a 3-megapixel camera?
The same answer applies to all these examples: Because digital cameras and personal computer operating systems are both improving at an amazing rate. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't examined the latest digital cameras or newest version of Windows (Windows XP). Yes, digital cameras and operating systems are two entirely different types of products, but the same principle applies: The new version is almost always a big improvement over the old, because technology is improving so fast for certain types of products.
I'm dismayed reading through this thread. I've read hundreds of posts over the past year on dpreview.com from digital photography fanatics eager to learn every detail about the latest digicams from Nikon, Canon, Sony, and other manufacturers. Many of you even pre-order cameras before they are available or have been fully reviewed.
That's why I was so surprised to see how many readers on this forum say they won't upgrade to the latest version of Windows. Many of you even sound proud to tell everyone you won't upgrade, as if to say "I'm smart enough to know that Windows XP is not worth upgrading to."
Where's that desire for the latest and greatest techno-product that every fan of technology has burning inside them? I wanted the latest version of both Windows and Mac as soon as I heard about them. I could hardly wait to get my hands on the first beta version of Windows XP, and same with the new Mac OS X.
You have every right to limp along with Win 98, Linux, or some outdated version of the Mac OS, but don't kid yourself into thinking you're not really missing anything. While you're debating whether the $90 (or whatever) upgrade cost of Windows XP is worth it, millions of computer users will happily be enjoying the benefits of a vastly improved operating system. And we won't care whether it comes from Microsoft, Apple, or some other company, because the company doesn't matter, it's the quality of the software that counts.
John S.
Why upgrade from a Coolpix 800 or 950 to a Nikon D1 or D1x?
Why upgrade from a 1-megapixel digital camera to a 3-megapixel camera?
The same answer applies to all these examples: Because digital cameras and personal computer operating systems are both improving at an amazing rate. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't examined the latest digital cameras or newest version of Windows (Windows XP). Yes, digital cameras and operating systems are two entirely different types of products, but the same principle applies: The new version is almost always a big improvement over the old, because technology is improving so fast for certain types of products.
I'm dismayed reading through this thread. I've read hundreds of posts over the past year on dpreview.com from digital photography fanatics eager to learn every detail about the latest digicams from Nikon, Canon, Sony, and other manufacturers. Many of you even pre-order cameras before they are available or have been fully reviewed.
That's why I was so surprised to see how many readers on this forum say they won't upgrade to the latest version of Windows. Many of you even sound proud to tell everyone you won't upgrade, as if to say "I'm smart enough to know that Windows XP is not worth upgrading to."
Where's that desire for the latest and greatest techno-product that every fan of technology has burning inside them? I wanted the latest version of both Windows and Mac as soon as I heard about them. I could hardly wait to get my hands on the first beta version of Windows XP, and same with the new Mac OS X.
You have every right to limp along with Win 98, Linux, or some outdated version of the Mac OS, but don't kid yourself into thinking you're not really missing anything. While you're debating whether the $90 (or whatever) upgrade cost of Windows XP is worth it, millions of computer users will happily be enjoying the benefits of a vastly improved operating system. And we won't care whether it comes from Microsoft, Apple, or some other company, because the company doesn't matter, it's the quality of the software that counts.
John S.
Subject says it all.
stanton
Senior Member
That's an interesting conundrum you present here Mr.BJ. I don't have a crystal ball, but if we examine the circumstances as they appear today....
• Apple develops an OS based on UNIX with open architecture.
• Apple COULD offer the OS for other platforms
• Bill Gates is ticking development partners off (i.e. Kodak)
• Bill Gates is ticking off consumers about online validation keys and potential subscription OS.
• Apple solidifies its position in multimedia with Quicktime as strong multimedia standard.
• Apple leads the way with affordable DVD authoring with iDVD and DV Studio Pro.
Bill Gates power is in overwhelming (current) OS market share and mass of Windows software developers. Hypothetically, what IF Apple were to offer its OS to the PC world???? Not unthinkable, is it?
Sincerely,
Stanton
Peter Hughes
Active member
I always upgrade to the new Windows operating system when it comes out, though usually it's worth waiting a few weeks until the manufacturers catch up and release new drivers.
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Eugene Powers
Guest
I follow simple two rules. KISS and If it ain't broken don't fix it.
Win95, Win98, SE, ME are all based on 16 bit kernel.
Yes, there is some 32 bit code in them but none of them have HAL.
This HAL is that what makes Win2000 so stable.
I am content with Win2000, my client don't complain, not like they complained about Win95, 98, SE, ME so why upgrade?
On the other hand the same thing will happen with digital cameras too.
Once you have 24Mp with 17-500 zoom in your hand I don't think this kind of craze will be around.
Eugene Powers
Win95, Win98, SE, ME are all based on 16 bit kernel.
Yes, there is some 32 bit code in them but none of them have HAL.
This HAL is that what makes Win2000 so stable.
I am content with Win2000, my client don't complain, not like they complained about Win95, 98, SE, ME so why upgrade?
On the other hand the same thing will happen with digital cameras too.
Once you have 24Mp with 17-500 zoom in your hand I don't think this kind of craze will be around.
Eugene Powers
Why upgrade from a Coolpix 800 or 950 to a Nikon D1 or D1x?
Why upgrade from a 1-megapixel digital camera to a 3-megapixel camera?
The same answer applies to all these examples: Because digital
cameras and personal computer operating systems are both improving
at an amazing rate. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't examined the
latest digital cameras or newest version of Windows (Windows XP).
Yes, digital cameras and operating systems are two entirely
different types of products, but the same principle applies: The
new version is almost always a big improvement over the old,
because technology is improving so fast for certain types of
products.
I'm dismayed reading through this thread. I've read hundreds of
posts over the past year on dpreview.com from digital photography
fanatics eager to learn every detail about the latest digicams from
Nikon, Canon, Sony, and other manufacturers. Many of you even
pre-order cameras before they are available or have been fully
reviewed.
That's why I was so surprised to see how many readers on this forum
say they won't upgrade to the latest version of Windows. Many of
you even sound proud to tell everyone you won't upgrade, as if to
say "I'm smart enough to know that Windows XP is not worth
upgrading to."
Where's that desire for the latest and greatest techno-product that
every fan of technology has burning inside them? I wanted the
latest version of both Windows and Mac as soon as I heard about
them. I could hardly wait to get my hands on the first beta version
of Windows XP, and same with the new Mac OS X.
You have every right to limp along with Win 98, Linux, or some
outdated version of the Mac OS, but don't kid yourself into
thinking you're not really missing anything. While you're debating
whether the $90 (or whatever) upgrade cost of Windows XP is worth
it, millions of computer users will happily be enjoying the
benefits of a vastly improved operating system. And we won't care
whether it comes from Microsoft, Apple, or some other company,
because the company doesn't matter, it's the quality of the
software that counts.
John S.
Subject says it all.
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Eugene Powers
Guest
Yes I would. It has been 2 days now and nobody flamed Stanton's
post. I guess nobody wants to look stupid. Specially then Stanton is right.
Eugene
post. I guess nobody wants to look stupid. Specially then Stanton is right.
Eugene
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Eugene Powers
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Michael Salzlechner
Guest
How come the guys who seem to be against windows always seem the be the ones that are immature and without any intelligence ?
Simply b/c I make a joke about the Microsoft and Intel corp's (and thier marital relations), I'm immediately immature and lacking in smarts??
Sounds like someone didn't eat thier Prozac Flakes today!
Besides, I am and have been an MS user since DOS 6..... so eat me.
Sounds like someone didn't eat thier Prozac Flakes today!
Besides, I am and have been an MS user since DOS 6..... so eat me.
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Michael Salzlechner
Guest
Sure
quickly using a new name and posting nothing but unintelligent insults makes you immature and shows your lack of intelligence. No question there.
But dont feel alone. You have a lot of friends here.
I dont really care if you are a Mac or or WIN or whatever user or whether u like or hate windows that is everyones choice and doesnt have much to but i guess if you dont have to add anything constructive it would be more constructive to disconnect from the NET to save our bandwidth.
if you think
"Death to the Win/tel empire!!!"
is a joke you might want to try going to a decent comedy club once to hear some real jokes.
The easiest solution to your problem is simply not using what you dont like and using what you like. I generally dont go into a restaurant and order the item that i hate the most and even get seconds.
Trust me you wont be missed.
quickly using a new name and posting nothing but unintelligent insults makes you immature and shows your lack of intelligence. No question there.
But dont feel alone. You have a lot of friends here.
I dont really care if you are a Mac or or WIN or whatever user or whether u like or hate windows that is everyones choice and doesnt have much to but i guess if you dont have to add anything constructive it would be more constructive to disconnect from the NET to save our bandwidth.
if you think
"Death to the Win/tel empire!!!"
is a joke you might want to try going to a decent comedy club once to hear some real jokes.
The easiest solution to your problem is simply not using what you dont like and using what you like. I generally dont go into a restaurant and order the item that i hate the most and even get seconds.
Trust me you wont be missed.
TonyK_in_Texas
Senior Member
Only DOS 6. I can go back to before there was a DOS. It was called CP/M on an Osborne luggable. Or Apple DOS with a IIe. What about Atari DOS? Okay, I've got it... NO DOS. A cassette interface with a black and white TV connection (Ohio Scientific computer).
DOS 6 is way too recent for me. I remember the fuss about upgrading from DOS 2 to DOS 2.10.
I started with an IBM 360 connected via a 3741 terminal (if I remember correctly) so I, like a lot of folks, have been at this for a long time.
I also remember developing color (and B&W) negative film in a home darkroom as well as producing prints from both negatives (B&W and color) and slides (color). It was the first, practical home color kit made. I want to say it was Unicolor system.
Later.
DOS 6 is way too recent for me. I remember the fuss about upgrading from DOS 2 to DOS 2.10.
I started with an IBM 360 connected via a 3741 terminal (if I remember correctly) so I, like a lot of folks, have been at this for a long time.
I also remember developing color (and B&W) negative film in a home darkroom as well as producing prints from both negatives (B&W and color) and slides (color). It was the first, practical home color kit made. I want to say it was Unicolor system.
Later.
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Michael Salzlechner
Guest
Stanton
i wonder why you spend half your day trying to spark OS and machine wars. Do you kids really have nothing better to do.
There is a saying that all these things are just a replacement for a short Pe..s which seems to apply here.
Get a life boys
i wonder why you spend half your day trying to spark OS and machine wars. Do you kids really have nothing better to do.
There is a saying that all these things are just a replacement for a short Pe..s which seems to apply here.
Get a life boys
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Dennis S
Guest
****,
Are some or all of these mods to ME avaliable to download from Microsoft?
Dennis Stiff
Are some or all of these mods to ME avaliable to download from Microsoft?
Dennis Stiff
stanton
Senior Member
Mike,
In case you haven't been paying attention, I've gotten an entire PC education in the span of about 4 weeks. I have been documenting my experience and observations, writing about them and stating my opinions , to which I am entitled. I genuinely am eager to learn about the PC and have had some surprises both good and bad along the way. One cannot help but make comparisons along the way. If I have my facts wrong I HOPE that someone steps in and attempts to correct me. I'm a big enough person to shown the facts. Disagreement, discourse and taking a position is what debate and LEARNING is all about. I don't see any warring going on...except for you. If you read my earlier posts, you'd have seen the disclaimer asking people like you to stay away if you have nothing positive to contribute. So far you've not contributed single thing to the discussion except to create friction and throw insults. No one is making you stay here and read this stuff.
You don't know me well enough to insult me. As far as I am concerned, you no longer exist on this forum. I shall no longer read nor respond to anything you write from this moment forward.
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Michael Salzlechner
Guest
Stanton
i was reading this thread and yes you did a great job in playing a game of trying to play a game of OS war.
I am not even getting into this as it is way to childish to do so.
If you want to use a mac if you want to use a PC or use both whathever but dont waste bandwidth with stuff like that.
I hope you keep your promise of not responding anymore that will help keep the bandwidth usage down for posts with actual content.
i was reading this thread and yes you did a great job in playing a game of trying to play a game of OS war.
I am not even getting into this as it is way to childish to do so.
If you want to use a mac if you want to use a PC or use both whathever but dont waste bandwidth with stuff like that.
I hope you keep your promise of not responding anymore that will help keep the bandwidth usage down for posts with actual content.
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Dennis S
Guest
Isn't that what life's all about...a short Pe..s and we are all stuck with one. One thing good about all of these flames...when you forget about the short Pe...s you get alot of usefull information here...the more smoke the better...I am really not so sure name calling gets to the point. I am working, so to speak, with ME and I would like to get it's motor running...I figure, as I work down through these threads, I just might get some new ideas.
Dennis Stiff
Dennis Stiff
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Michael Salzlechner
Guest
Dennis
as you probably know the short p is just an expression and not to be taken as a direct insult on your male ... but of course some people might for whatever reason get that idea.
I dont thinkt there was anything constructive said in most of these threads and they are generally always started by somebody who just wants to start these types of holy wars knowing that there is enough immature people that will immediately jump on it.
If you are into these sort of things you can surely find lots of web sites that are dedicated to these types of discussions and biased to either platform.
At the end of the day it simply is important that whatever platform, OS, camera you use will help you do the job or not (you still are the one that does the job - IT is just a tool that helps you)
Once you decided what you want to use what sense does it make to constantly waste your time trying to justify the decision you made to the world.
Now i dont have any problems with somebody posting informative and factual information at all about anything but the constant waste of bandwidth for attacks and insults on any company, platform, os, camera or whatever else are very immature and only show the lack of self confidence of their origin.
EndOfSoapBox
as you probably know the short p is just an expression and not to be taken as a direct insult on your male ... but of course some people might for whatever reason get that idea.
I dont thinkt there was anything constructive said in most of these threads and they are generally always started by somebody who just wants to start these types of holy wars knowing that there is enough immature people that will immediately jump on it.
If you are into these sort of things you can surely find lots of web sites that are dedicated to these types of discussions and biased to either platform.
At the end of the day it simply is important that whatever platform, OS, camera you use will help you do the job or not (you still are the one that does the job - IT is just a tool that helps you)
Once you decided what you want to use what sense does it make to constantly waste your time trying to justify the decision you made to the world.
Now i dont have any problems with somebody posting informative and factual information at all about anything but the constant waste of bandwidth for attacks and insults on any company, platform, os, camera or whatever else are very immature and only show the lack of self confidence of their origin.
EndOfSoapBox
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Dennis S
Guest
Mike,
I basically agree with you...I wish I could have contributed some insight on the original post...but like I stated, I got a lot of usefull info about Apple , Microsoft, all the Windows OS's, and the fact that people change names and enter posts...the short P could possibly just mean that life is a struggle for all of us sometimes...this is something I learned in combat...it's the little things that will kill you if you fall asleep...killing a man in battle or watching a man die in battle are the only insults I can think of.
Dennis Stiff
I basically agree with you...I wish I could have contributed some insight on the original post...but like I stated, I got a lot of usefull info about Apple , Microsoft, all the Windows OS's, and the fact that people change names and enter posts...the short P could possibly just mean that life is a struggle for all of us sometimes...this is something I learned in combat...it's the little things that will kill you if you fall asleep...killing a man in battle or watching a man die in battle are the only insults I can think of.
Dennis Stiff
Ok, Mike.
I must admit you seem like a bright guy and probably know a thing or two about a thing or two. But what I don't get is if you were so smart why you would waste you time trying to make me feel bad about posting a silly little thing like this??
Is you life so devoid of fun that you must ruin it for others as well?
Are you a "know it all"?
Maybe you're just generally a jerk?
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Apparently the admin's of this board encourage new posters, unfortunately they have people like you to discourage it. I am new to this board, just found the site yesterday, and thought it was a great thing.... till you showed up and started trying to mentally beat me down.
Perhaps in the future you could try to politely dissuade new posters from posting things that annoy you instead of jumping immediately to insults? You being the "senior" here should know the boards policy for flaming and not to make personal attacks! I have been an active user of various forums for a long time and this is what I have learned: If you don't like something ignore it. By responding in a nasty way you only perpetuate the thing that you find so bothersome. If you don't respond but I keep posting inane drivel, ask me to stop. Calling me stupid only makes me want to harass you!
Quickly making assumptions about others, making personal attacks and being big headed surely won't make you any new friends (not that I would ever want to be friends with such an uptight jerk anyway).
Go take you med's and relax, before you blow a gasket.
I must admit you seem like a bright guy and probably know a thing or two about a thing or two. But what I don't get is if you were so smart why you would waste you time trying to make me feel bad about posting a silly little thing like this??
Is you life so devoid of fun that you must ruin it for others as well?
Are you a "know it all"?
Maybe you're just generally a jerk?
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Apparently the admin's of this board encourage new posters, unfortunately they have people like you to discourage it. I am new to this board, just found the site yesterday, and thought it was a great thing.... till you showed up and started trying to mentally beat me down.
Perhaps in the future you could try to politely dissuade new posters from posting things that annoy you instead of jumping immediately to insults? You being the "senior" here should know the boards policy for flaming and not to make personal attacks! I have been an active user of various forums for a long time and this is what I have learned: If you don't like something ignore it. By responding in a nasty way you only perpetuate the thing that you find so bothersome. If you don't respond but I keep posting inane drivel, ask me to stop. Calling me stupid only makes me want to harass you!
Quickly making assumptions about others, making personal attacks and being big headed surely won't make you any new friends (not that I would ever want to be friends with such an uptight jerk anyway).
Go take you med's and relax, before you blow a gasket.
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