Junjiro Saito
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Did you see this site? http://www.okimoto.ne.jp/muray/Lab/Work6/e10di7.html
You can compare D7 with E-10.
You can compare D7 with E-10.
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D7 vs E-10
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Have you held an E10 yet.
I guess a lot of people would call it a professional build but when I held an E10 at the camera store I personally thought it felt like a brick.
I carry a backpackpack with a ridiculous array of equipment in it all the time. Currently a notebook, a novel, an elura2mc minidv an elanIIe 35mm and various sundry stuff I won't even go into. If I purchased an E10, I'm afraid that either I wouldn't carry it or I would develop back problems in short order.
The price on the E10 has come way down in the past few weeks and I am seriously tempted, but I'm not ready to carry a still camera that weighs almost 3x what my dv camcorder does.
The Dimage7 weighs about 40% less. (608g vs 1050g) Hopefully once the camera actaully reaches the US the price on it will come down around the same level and I'll be a happy camper.
You may want to keep the weight issue in mind if you're going to be moving around alot.
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kirk
I guess a lot of people would call it a professional build but when I held an E10 at the camera store I personally thought it felt like a brick.
I carry a backpackpack with a ridiculous array of equipment in it all the time. Currently a notebook, a novel, an elura2mc minidv an elanIIe 35mm and various sundry stuff I won't even go into. If I purchased an E10, I'm afraid that either I wouldn't carry it or I would develop back problems in short order.
The price on the E10 has come way down in the past few weeks and I am seriously tempted, but I'm not ready to carry a still camera that weighs almost 3x what my dv camcorder does.
The Dimage7 weighs about 40% less. (608g vs 1050g) Hopefully once the camera actaully reaches the US the price on it will come down around the same level and I'll be a happy camper.
You may want to keep the weight issue in mind if you're going to be moving around alot.
peace
kirk
Maxven
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Hi Junjiro.
I've tried the link several times now, but I can't get through. Are you sure, your link is correct? Or maybe the server is just temporarily down...
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Maxven, the link works just fine.
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Being apparently the only person on this planet who cannot access this website, could anyone please tell me what the overall conclusion seems to be regarding the picture quality of the two cameras?
Thanks!
Jimmy Drew20683
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Maxven, no written conclusions just pictures of each. Both looked pretty good however the D7 looked clearer and also a bit closer. Not sure why. This is one of those you pick um types.
Thanks,
Jimmy
Andrew Grant27981
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Well the E-10 images look a little underexposed and the D7 images have some sharpening artifacts. Also the D7 images show a higher magnification so it is a little hard to judge. I prefer comparing images interpolated to the same resolution.
Having said all of the above, the D7 shots do have a little more detail. I wouldn't loose too much sleep if I had an E-10 though.
Having said all of the above, the D7 shots do have a little more detail. I wouldn't loose too much sleep if I had an E-10 though.
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Mr.Muray (a man who made this site.) took pictures from the same place, using the widest lens position and the closest lens position. (I don't know how to say this in English..Do I make sense?)
D7 looked closer because it has 7x zoom lens. (E-10 has 4x zoom lens.)
D7 looked wider also. Because it has 28mm - 200mm lens.
This is D7's big advantage against E-10.
But E-10 has less noise than D7, I think.
And according to people who own both E-10 and D7, E10's AF is faster than D7, E10's latitude is wider than D7 and E-10's battery life is longer than D7. D7 processes pictures faster than E10. E10 needs longer interval.
Of course E10 is much heavyier and more expensive.
D7 looked closer because it has 7x zoom lens. (E-10 has 4x zoom lens.)
D7 looked wider also. Because it has 28mm - 200mm lens.
This is D7's big advantage against E-10.
But E-10 has less noise than D7, I think.
And according to people who own both E-10 and D7, E10's AF is faster than D7, E10's latitude is wider than D7 and E-10's battery life is longer than D7. D7 processes pictures faster than E10. E10 needs longer interval.
Of course E10 is much heavyier and more expensive.
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The best prices I have seen on Pricescan.com and PriceGrabber.com are around $1200 coming from some of he shadier Brooklyn dealers with prices rising along with the quality of the merchant. I imagine you could get for around $1400 from someone with a warehouse.
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kirk
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The 28 MM D7 picture has a bit more noise than the E-10, but it appears to me that the D-7 has less noise than the E-10 at the other focal lengths. But as you stated, it's a close call. My biggest concern about the D7 was noise, but having seen this comparison to the E-10, I'm much less concerned.
Can you tell us which of the folks that post here have both a E-10 and D7? I've read just about everything that's been posted here about the D7, and I cannot remember anything noteworthy about battery life.
Sorry, I am a poor and stupid amatour, but for me
it looks like the first foto is mixed up - between
E10 and D7...
????
Aarre
it looks like the first foto is mixed up - between
E10 and D7...
????
Aarre
Tricia
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No, I don't think so. The first pic shows the cameras at wide angle, and the D7 wide-angle is 28mm, so you get a wider view that the E-10, because the E-10 widest-angle is 35mm. Also notice the sky - in all of the E-10 photos, it has a more purple tone; also the whites are brighter in the D7 photos.
The rest of the D7 photos look closer because the telephoto on the D7 goes to 200, on the E-10 to 140.
Tricia
The rest of the D7 photos look closer because the telephoto on the D7 goes to 200, on the E-10 to 140.
Tricia
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Thank you tricia! That's what I wanted to say.
You are a good English teacher for me!
Did you see these site?
You can compare D7 with D30.
This time, we can't see full size pictures.
D30 is much better than D7, I think. D7 pictures are over exposure, though.
D7 pictures
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ui7f-ymzk/portrait/010701TamagawaD7/pict0000.html
D30 pictures in the same place.
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ui7f-ymzk/portrait/010701TamaD30/pict0000.html
You are a good English teacher for me!
Did you see these site?
You can compare D7 with D30.
This time, we can't see full size pictures.
D30 is much better than D7, I think. D7 pictures are over exposure, though.
D7 pictures
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ui7f-ymzk/portrait/010701TamagawaD7/pict0000.html
D30 pictures in the same place.
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ui7f-ymzk/portrait/010701TamaD30/pict0000.html
I sure wish Canon would put the D30's imager in a camera like the E-10 (minus the E-10's manual focus calibration problem). That would be my dream camera. Well, a little big and heavy but I think I could cope. Life is full of sacrifices.
Oh well. Back to reality (and Minolta).
Hmm...
Seems to be some vignetting in the corners with the WCON-08 and the B-300. A little dissappointing but I think I can live with it considering the D7 has a 5MP sensor. Can still crop and get a decent resolution photo.
Joo
Seems to be some vignetting in the corners with the WCON-08 and the B-300. A little dissappointing but I think I can live with it considering the D7 has a 5MP sensor. Can still crop and get a decent resolution photo.
Joo
Junjiro-
Thanks for the link- it's very helpful, even though the image sizes are not the same. For me, the E-10 looks "muddy" compared to the D7. If the exposure and contrast overrides were all at zero, the D7 has a lot more snap.
I can't speak for the D7, 'cause I don't have mine yet, but I did shoot about 5K shots with my E-10, and can tell anyone trying to make the decision a few things: As to weight, the E-10 is a handful! You could probably drive nails with it. Sure a hammer's cheaper. Hang an E-10 around your neck and run with it and it'll beat you to death.
There's a lot of very good things about the E-10, however. It's ergonomically almost perfect, with the possible exception of having to fire up the LCD to change ISO. It has an AF that works so fast and so dependably as to make manual focus unnecessary for many situations. The four shot buffer allows very fast shooting, if four's all you need.
As to battery life, I could regularly get 150 shots out of the E-10 on a set of MAHA's. If the D7 falls a bit short of that, perhaps it's because there's always an electronic viewfinder device (one or the other) turned on anytime you're powered up. The optical TTL viewfinder on the E-10, however, ran off a beam splitter, and I don't think it required any power, so the standby drain on the batteries may have been less than the D7. On powering down between shots, the E-10 takes it's good ol' time powering up- I'm looking forward to the D7's far shorter time-to-first-shot. If it fires up quickly, then turning it off may be the solution to higher power drain.
If you look at the flower (the last shot on the comparison site) you'll see that the E-10's image is focused on the near pedals, not the center of the flower. This points out the manual focus problem many users (including me) had with the E-10- what you see is not necessarily what you get in the actual exposure. Very fatal flaw for someone like me who does a fair amount of product photography and must have good control on focus.
As to noise, I've downloaded almost all the available shots posted for the D7, and it looks like it's a bit more prone to noise at comparable ISOs. The E-10 did pretty well in that department, whereas it appears the D7 gets objectionably noisy at the top settings. Perhaps this is the worst thing one can say about it. All the reviewers seem to think the production units will be quieter, but I haven't seen that in the few posted examples shot at higher ISO. At lower ISOs, IMHO, both cameras are quite acceptable.
As to overall image quality, the shot of the floating restaurant (not on the comparison site) and a few others more recently posted are shots I know the E-10 couldn't reproduce, period. It just isn't that sharp. My money is, (or soon will be) on the D7.
If anyone wants additional info aboutspecific aspects of the E-10, they can e-mail me.
Thanks for the link- it's very helpful, even though the image sizes are not the same. For me, the E-10 looks "muddy" compared to the D7. If the exposure and contrast overrides were all at zero, the D7 has a lot more snap.
I can't speak for the D7, 'cause I don't have mine yet, but I did shoot about 5K shots with my E-10, and can tell anyone trying to make the decision a few things: As to weight, the E-10 is a handful! You could probably drive nails with it. Sure a hammer's cheaper. Hang an E-10 around your neck and run with it and it'll beat you to death.
There's a lot of very good things about the E-10, however. It's ergonomically almost perfect, with the possible exception of having to fire up the LCD to change ISO. It has an AF that works so fast and so dependably as to make manual focus unnecessary for many situations. The four shot buffer allows very fast shooting, if four's all you need.
As to battery life, I could regularly get 150 shots out of the E-10 on a set of MAHA's. If the D7 falls a bit short of that, perhaps it's because there's always an electronic viewfinder device (one or the other) turned on anytime you're powered up. The optical TTL viewfinder on the E-10, however, ran off a beam splitter, and I don't think it required any power, so the standby drain on the batteries may have been less than the D7. On powering down between shots, the E-10 takes it's good ol' time powering up- I'm looking forward to the D7's far shorter time-to-first-shot. If it fires up quickly, then turning it off may be the solution to higher power drain.
If you look at the flower (the last shot on the comparison site) you'll see that the E-10's image is focused on the near pedals, not the center of the flower. This points out the manual focus problem many users (including me) had with the E-10- what you see is not necessarily what you get in the actual exposure. Very fatal flaw for someone like me who does a fair amount of product photography and must have good control on focus.
As to noise, I've downloaded almost all the available shots posted for the D7, and it looks like it's a bit more prone to noise at comparable ISOs. The E-10 did pretty well in that department, whereas it appears the D7 gets objectionably noisy at the top settings. Perhaps this is the worst thing one can say about it. All the reviewers seem to think the production units will be quieter, but I haven't seen that in the few posted examples shot at higher ISO. At lower ISOs, IMHO, both cameras are quite acceptable.
As to overall image quality, the shot of the floating restaurant (not on the comparison site) and a few others more recently posted are shots I know the E-10 couldn't reproduce, period. It just isn't that sharp. My money is, (or soon will be) on the D7.
If anyone wants additional info aboutspecific aspects of the E-10, they can e-mail me.
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