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I think it is the most staright-forward description of what RAW can and can't do that I have found, plus I can't wait to get into the batch processing section. I don't intend to process RAW files indiviudally forever!!
José B said:
tmulli said:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/032127878X/qid=1109652628/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-9796775-0236819?v=glance&s=books
José B said:
I decided to give RAW a try so I downloaded the 'RAW whatever' on
PS-CS last night and shot these at Union Station with my Maxxum 7D
and Maxxum 35/2. Boy, you RAW proponents are right----I get more
details compared to Jpeg plus I have better control on colour,
shadows, brightness and etc.

Exposed with expodisc. All ISO 1600 shots, manually exposed and
cleaned via Digial Pro GEM and applied USM of 100/0.3/1.

Starting now for tricky lighting and indoors I will shoot only with
RAW. For outdoor pics, I will stick with jpeg.



As usual I welcome your comments.

Cheers,

José

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A very exuberant Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D trailblazer. Who's
zooming who: Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6 EX, Maxxum 28-75/2.8 and Sigma
70-200/2.8 EX
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Todd
Havin' a blast in 7D Land.
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http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
A very exuberant Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D trailblazer. Who's
zooming who: Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6 EX, Maxxum 28-75/2.8 and Sigma
70-200/2.8 EX
Click to expand...
--
Todd
Havin' a blast in 7D Land.
 
Apple is releasing a new adapter card reader for the iPod. I don't know much about it and haven't read or seen much either so don't know how well it will perform. May be better to go dedicated photo storaqge device as Paul mentions. The Epson P-2000 (?) has gotten great reviews.

Course you could also get an iPod photo to listen to music while you process all those picture files!!

Todd

--
Todd
Havin' a blast in 7D Land.
 
what oldman's story tells me is that his friend was a bit off on his exposure and/or white balance and thus his jpg file was suboptimal. Deficiencies become more apparent the more you enlarge the image. With RAW latitude, he was able to salvage what otherwise would have been a less than perfect image file and print it big with acceptable results.

That happens to me occasionally and that is why I shoot RAW+JPG often. But, if I nail my WB and exposure in most normal situations, it doesn't matter whether my initial file is a JPG or RAW--I personally am getting great results with both RAW and JPG up to 24X30 (with interpolation at that size) from my 6 MP and 8 MP files. And they hang proudly beside my medium format framed portraits.

--
Vance Zachary
http://www.pbase.com/photoworkszach
http://www.photoworksbyzachary.com
 
G'day Todd. I have an older iPod (not oldest, but 30Gig) and wait with interest to see what data transfer capabilities the new iPod + adapter will provide with my 7D or CF card on its own. I hope it provides for high speed USB 2 transfers and doesn't drain the iPod's batteries too quickly. Form the picture linked in the dpreview news, the adapter connects to the iPod's connector at the bottom of the unit, meaning that you can't provide power from your car or other source at the same time.
tmulli said:
Course you could also get an iPod photo to listen to music while
you process all those picture files!!

Todd

--
Todd
Havin' a blast in 7D Land.
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--
Cheers from John
down under in Adelaide, South Australia
A1 25 Dec 03 to its drowning on 29 Dec 04 :o(
Dynax 7D from 25 Jan 05 :o)
My PBase galleries since 16 Apr 04: http://www.pbase.com/john_down_under
Konica Minolta Challenges, FAx and Faces: http://www.pbase.com/mtf_foto_studies
7D website: http://www.dyxum.com
 
Ahh, so you figured out our gameplan. Get you shooting RAW. Get you buying Apple products. The brainwashing is now, near complete. ;-D

I actually own the FlashTrax 30gb unit. I purchased it long before iPod Photo came along. So it'll have to do.
José B said:
Cheers,

José
Sol said:
José B said:
I decided to give RAW a try so I downloaded the 'RAW whatever' on
PS-CS last night and shot these at Union Station with my Maxxum 7D
and Maxxum 35/2. Boy, you RAW proponents are right----I get more
details compared to Jpeg plus I have better control on colour,
shadows, brightness and etc.

Exposed with expodisc. All ISO 1600 shots, manually exposed and
cleaned via Digial Pro GEM and applied USM of 100/0.3/1.

Starting now for tricky lighting and indoors I will shoot only with
RAW. For outdoor pics, I will stick with jpeg.



As usual I welcome your comments.

Cheers,

José

--
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
A very exuberant Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D trailblazer. Who's
zooming who: Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6 EX, Maxxum 28-75/2.8 and Sigma
70-200/2.8 EX
Click to expand...
--
Sol
'Charter Member of the Konica Minolta 7D Adoption Society'
http://solarviewphoto.com/
'IS' will make your lens a better lens.
'VR' will make your lens a better lens.
'AS' will make you a better Photographer.
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
A very exuberant Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D trailblazer. Who's
zooming who: Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6 EX, Maxxum 28-75/2.8 and Sigma
70-200/2.8 EX
Click to expand...
--
Sol
'Charter Member of the Konica Minolta 7D Adoption Society'
http://solarviewphoto.com/
'IS' will make your lens a better lens.
'VR' will make your lens a better lens.
'AS' will make you a better Photographer.
 
The CompactDrive PD7X smokes the competition for card to reader transfer speed, the batteries last for about 20GB worth of uploads. There is no display and you can only upload whatever is on your card and not selectively delete from the CompactDrive while you are out and about. However, it reportedly does what it does extremely well and teh price is not bad. I believe I saw the other day that it had won a DIMA award in its category (along with the A200 and 7D in their categories :o)).

Here is a comparison with some other options (don't know how old this is):
http://www.photozone.de/7Digital/portableHD.htm
Paul Hancock said:
José B said:
Cheers,

José
Sol said:
José B said:
I decided to give RAW a try so I downloaded the 'RAW whatever' on
PS-CS last night and shot these at Union Station with my Maxxum 7D
and Maxxum 35/2. Boy, you RAW proponents are right----I get more
details compared to Jpeg plus I have better control on colour,
shadows, brightness and etc.

Exposed with expodisc. All ISO 1600 shots, manually exposed and
cleaned via Digial Pro GEM and applied USM of 100/0.3/1.

Starting now for tricky lighting and indoors I will shoot only with
RAW. For outdoor pics, I will stick with jpeg.



As usual I welcome your comments.

Cheers,

José

--
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
A very exuberant Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D trailblazer. Who's
zooming who: Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6 EX, Maxxum 28-75/2.8 and Sigma
70-200/2.8 EX
Click to expand...
--
Sol
'Charter Member of the Konica Minolta 7D Adoption Society'
http://solarviewphoto.com/
'IS' will make your lens a better lens.
'VR' will make your lens a better lens.
'AS' will make you a better Photographer.
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
A very exuberant Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D trailblazer. Who's
zooming who: Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6 EX, Maxxum 28-75/2.8 and Sigma
70-200/2.8 EX
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
Cheers from John
down under in Adelaide, South Australia
A1 25 Dec 03 to its drowning on 29 Dec 04 :o(
Dynax 7D from 25 Jan 05 :o)
My PBase galleries since 16 Apr 04: http://www.pbase.com/john_down_under
Konica Minolta Challenges, FAx and Faces: http://www.pbase.com/mtf_foto_studies
7D website: http://www.dyxum.com
 
Vance Zachary said:
I regularly make large 24X30 images from images shot in both RAW
and JPG and both have worked fine for me (with interpolation) and
grace the walls of the studio along with my medium format shots and
people have trouble guessing which is made from which. They (even
my fellow photographers) can't tell which image started as a RAW
and which started as a JPG. Their guesses are often wrong.

To get great results with JPG, you have got to be very close with
proper WB and exposure. Otherwise you get suboptimal results. You
have a bit more flexibility and fine tuning control with RAW and
that is its real advantage.
--
Vance Zachary
http://www.pbase.com/photoworkszach
http://www.photoworksbyzachary.com
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--
Cheers from John
down under in Adelaide, South Australia
A1 25 Dec 03 to its drowning on 29 Dec 04 :o(
Dynax 7D from 25 Jan 05 :o)
My PBase galleries since 16 Apr 04: http://www.pbase.com/john_down_under
Konica Minolta Challenges, FAx and Faces: http://www.pbase.com/mtf_foto_studies
7D website: http://www.dyxum.com
 
Hello, John,

Greetings from up above!!! I use the 110% resampling method. Sometime ago I tested this against my labs interplating algorithms and I liked the way mine turned out better. With Labprints, it tells you what file size you need to attain to conform to the recommendations of your pro lab. It works great!

A pro photographer friend of mine says she has used this method to produce print sizes up to 30X40.
John down under said:
--
Cheers from John
down under in Adelaide, South Australia
A1 25 Dec 03 to its drowning on 29 Dec 04 :o(
Dynax 7D from 25 Jan 05 :o)
My PBase galleries since 16 Apr 04:
http://www.pbase.com/john_down_under
Konica Minolta Challenges, FAx and Faces:
http://www.pbase.com/mtf_foto_studies
7D website: http://www.dyxum.com
Click to expand...
--
Vance Zachary
http://www.pbase.com/photoworkszach
http://www.photoworksbyzachary.com
 
Hi John-

I also have an older iPod (not photo) so I am interested as well to see to what extent the card reader will work with the older iPods. I have no need to view the pictures, I just want a high capacity, quick download device to clear my cards and keep going. And since I already have an iPod that is not full of music, it would be great not to have to buy yet another device just to store pics til I get back to the computer. I hope it doesn't drain the battery too much, but I guess we won't find out until the end of this month when it is released.

Todd
John down under said:
tmulli said:
Course you could also get an iPod photo to listen to music while
you process all those picture files!!

Todd

--
Todd
Havin' a blast in 7D Land.
Click to expand...
--
Cheers from John
down under in Adelaide, South Australia
A1 25 Dec 03 to its drowning on 29 Dec 04 :o(
Dynax 7D from 25 Jan 05 :o)
My PBase galleries since 16 Apr 04:
http://www.pbase.com/john_down_under
Konica Minolta Challenges, FAx and Faces:
http://www.pbase.com/mtf_foto_studies
7D website: http://www.dyxum.com
Click to expand...
--
Todd
Havin' a blast in 7D Land.
 
Vance Zachary said:
Greetings from up above!!! I use the 110% resampling method.
Sometime ago I tested this against my labs interplating algorithms
and I liked the way mine turned out better. With Labprints, it
tells you what file size you need to attain to conform to the
recommendations of your pro lab. It works great!
Click to expand...
I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying you go up to 110% of the size you need and then go back down to 100% so that you end up with the size you want? Or something else? Please give more details.

--
Henry Richardson
http://www.richardson.photoshare.co.nz/
http://www.printroom.com/pro/intrepid
 
Henry Richardson said:
Vance Zachary said:
Greetings from up above!!! I use the 110% resampling method.
Sometime ago I tested this against my labs interplating algorithms
and I liked the way mine turned out better. With Labprints, it
tells you what file size you need to attain to conform to the
recommendations of your pro lab. It works great!
Click to expand...
I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying you go up to 110% of the
size you need and then go back down to 100% so that you end up with
the size you want? Or something else? Please give more details.

--
Henry Richardson
http://www.richardson.photoshare.co.nz/
http://www.printroom.com/pro/intrepid
Click to expand...
I picked it up from Scott Kelby's PSE book. Someone, somewhere determined that you can upsize a jpg image in 10% increments with nearly indiscernable loss of quality. There is a limit as to how many times you can do it before you start to really see losss of quality, but it depends on the image you start from.
--
Todd
Havin' a blast in 7D Land.
 
Henry Richardson said:
I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying you go up to 110% of the
size you need and then go back down to 100% so that you end up with
the size you want? Or something else? Please give more details.
Click to expand...
The best method for large upsize that I found so far is the one described at
http://www.outbackphoto.com/workflow/wf_60/essay.html

You can even download a free plugin.

I have tried genuine fractals but this little plugin does the job pretty well too.

Happy upsizing ;)

--
7D dedicated website http://www.dyxum.com
 
John down under said:
Here is a comparison with some other options (don't know how old
this is):
http://www.photozone.de/7Digital/portableHD.htm
Paul Hancock said:
José B said:
Cheers,

José
Sol said:
José B said:
I decided to give RAW a try so I downloaded the 'RAW whatever' on
PS-CS last night and shot these at Union Station with my Maxxum 7D
and Maxxum 35/2. Boy, you RAW proponents are right----I get more
details compared to Jpeg plus I have better control on colour,
shadows, brightness and etc.

Exposed with expodisc. All ISO 1600 shots, manually exposed and
cleaned via Digial Pro GEM and applied USM of 100/0.3/1.

Starting now for tricky lighting and indoors I will shoot only with
RAW. For outdoor pics, I will stick with jpeg.



As usual I welcome your comments.

Cheers,

José

--
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
A very exuberant Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D trailblazer. Who's
zooming who: Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6 EX, Maxxum 28-75/2.8 and Sigma
70-200/2.8 EX
Click to expand...
--
Sol
'Charter Member of the Konica Minolta 7D Adoption Society'
http://solarviewphoto.com/
'IS' will make your lens a better lens.
'VR' will make your lens a better lens.
'AS' will make you a better Photographer.
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d
A very exuberant Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D trailblazer. Who's
zooming who: Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6 EX, Maxxum 28-75/2.8 and Sigma
70-200/2.8 EX
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
Cheers from John
down under in Adelaide, South Australia
A1 25 Dec 03 to its drowning on 29 Dec 04 :o(
Dynax 7D from 25 Jan 05 :o)
My PBase galleries since 16 Apr 04:
http://www.pbase.com/john_down_under
Konica Minolta Challenges, FAx and Faces:
http://www.pbase.com/mtf_foto_studies
7D website: http://www.dyxum.com
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56/maxxum_7d

A very exuberant Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D trailblazer. Who's zooming who: Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6 EX, Maxxum 28-75/2.8 and Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX
 
tmulli said:
Hi John-

I also have an older iPod (not photo) so I am interested as well to
see to what extent the card reader will work with the older iPods.
I have no need to view the pictures, I just want a high capacity,
quick download device to clear my cards and keep going. And since
I already have an iPod that is not full of music, it would be great
not to have to buy yet another device just to store pics til I get
back to the computer. I hope it doesn't drain the battery too
much, but I guess we won't find out until the end of this month
when it is released.

Todd
Click to expand...
--
Cheers from John
down under in Adelaide, South Australia
A1 25 Dec 03 to its drowning on 29 Dec 04 :o(
Dynax 7D from 25 Jan 05 :o)
My PBase galleries since 16 Apr 04: http://www.pbase.com/john_down_under
Konica Minolta Challenges, FAx and Faces: http://www.pbase.com/mtf_foto_studies
7D website: http://www.dyxum.com
 
Vance, thanks for the description, but you didn't answer my question about what application you use to interpolate. I wondered because there are plenty of choices out there, including Genuine Fractals and others, plus of course Photoshop itself. Do you use Photoshop CS for your procedure?

Based on the suggestion below, I might even try bicubic smoother to upres in one step and bicubis sharper to downres in one step to see how that looks.
Vance Zachary said:
Hello, John,

Greetings from up above!!! I use the 110% resampling method.
Sometime ago I tested this against my labs interplating algorithms
and I liked the way mine turned out better. With Labprints, it
tells you what file size you need to attain to conform to the
recommendations of your pro lab. It works great!

A pro photographer friend of mine says she has used this method to
produce print sizes up to 30X40.
Click to expand...
--
Cheers from John
down under in Adelaide, South Australia
A1 25 Dec 03 to its drowning on 29 Dec 04 :o(
Dynax 7D from 25 Jan 05 :o)
My PBase galleries since 16 Apr 04: http://www.pbase.com/john_down_under
Konica Minolta Challenges, FAx and Faces: http://www.pbase.com/mtf_foto_studies
7D website: http://www.dyxum.com
 
I'll have to find which PSCS book I read it in, but seem that I recall reading that the enlarging your image in 10% increments method, isn't necessary in Photoshop CS. As I understand it, the up-converting process was re-written for CS, in that you get pretty much the same results, as if you had "stepped" it up by 10% increments, in size. Adobe was aware of that particular trade secret of PS, and tried to apply it, in CS.

Now, that does not take into account the method, discussed in the link by kiklop. If you are doing 10% increments, and sharpening slightly at different phases, I would think, that could produce better results. I haven't tried this method yet, But it makes sense, logically speaking. It's probably a question for the 'Photo-retouch' forum.
Henry Richardson said:
Vance Zachary said:
Greetings from up above!!! I use the 110% resampling method.
Sometime ago I tested this against my labs interpolating algorithms
and I liked the way mine turned out better. With Labprints, it
tells you what file size you need to attain to conform to the
recommendations of your pro lab. It works great!
Click to expand...
I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying you go up to 110% of the
size you need and then go back down to 100% so that you end up with
the size you want? Or something else? Please give more details.

--
Henry Richardson
http://www.richardson.photoshare.co.nz/
http://www.printroom.com/pro/intrepid
Click to expand...
--
Sol
'Charter Member of the Konica Minolta 7D Adoption Society'
http://solarviewphoto.com/
'IS' will make your lens a better lens.
'VR' will make your lens a better lens.
'AS' will make you a better Photographer.
 
Sol said:
Henry Richardson said:
Vance Zachary said:
Greetings from up above!!! I use the 110% resampling method.
Sometime ago I tested this against my labs interpolating algorithms
and I liked the way mine turned out better. With Labprints, it
tells you what file size you need to attain to conform to the
recommendations of your pro lab. It works great!
Click to expand...
I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying you go up to 110% of the
size you need and then go back down to 100% so that you end up with
the size you want? Or something else? Please give more details.

--
Henry Richardson
http://www.richardson.photoshare.co.nz/
http://www.printroom.com/pro/intrepid
Click to expand...
--
Sol
'Charter Member of the Konica Minolta 7D Adoption Society'
http://solarviewphoto.com/
'IS' will make your lens a better lens.
'VR' will make your lens a better lens.
'AS' will make you a better Photographer.
Click to expand...
--
Todd
Havin' a blast in 7D Land.
 
Sol said:
Now, that does not take into account the method, discussed in the
link by kiklop.
Click to expand...
Actually it does. The mentioned plug in is based on the new PS algorithms .. bicubic-smoother (for upsizing to one larger size than needed) and then Bicubic Sharper (for downsizing to target size). With the old bicubic algorithm this was not possible in one step but rather in smaller (10% was the most popular) steps.

Happy shooting

--
7D dedicated website http://www.dyxum.com
 
kiklop_2 said:
Sol said:
Now, that does not take into account the method, discussed in the
link by kiklop.
Click to expand...
Actually it does. The mentioned plug in is based on the new PS
algorithms .. bicubic-smoother (for upsizing to one larger size
than needed) and then Bicubic Sharper (for downsizing to target
size). With the old bicubic algorithm this was not possible in one
step but rather in smaller (10% was the most popular) steps.

Happy shooting

--
7D dedicated website http://www.dyxum.com
Click to expand...
--
Sol
'Charter Member of the Konica Minolta 7D Adoption Society'
http://solarviewphoto.com/
'IS' will make your lens a better lens.
'VR' will make your lens a better lens.
'AS' will make you a better Photographer.
 
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