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Yep, they've really convinced me to move to Nikon.

1) I'll sell my 1DmkII, my 10D, 6 lenses, batteries etc., and buy Nikon kit as it is obviously so much better that they come over here to irritate us.

2) Or I'll go and sulk because I've invested so much money in the wrong kit.

3) Or maybe I'll just go out any carry on taking great shots, and having a great time doing so.

What is the point?, I don't get upset at everyone who didn't choose the same car as me, they like theirs for their own reasons, I like mine for my reasons.

I'll choose option 3. Life's just too short.
DD2.1 said:
The real question is why you folks want to ask this on the Canon
forum. It's a CANON forum for CANON cameras. Please take it to
the Nikon forum. This is getting old.
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Steven Noyes said:
The AA filter is an optical device and is NOT a noise filter. The
1Ds Mk II has better noise characteristics because the 1Ds was
based on D30 tech (old) and the 1Ds MK II on 20D/1D Mk II tech
(newer)

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Canon is the best when it is working. Sigma is the same way now.

 
Who cares; they are both good cameras. Good photographers will take good pictures with them; bad photographers will take bad pictures with them.
 
Guys over in the Nikon forum claiming 7 stops DR, the 1series has between 9 and 10.

Haven't you guys realised yet that the ISO is not equivalent to other camers? Its already 2/3 down on a D2H.
photogeek said:
That's why all the fuss. And the price is already coming down for
D2X, it can be had for $4700 in some places. The price will go down
further over time because it's a DX crop camera. And Nikon has its
WA and midrange fast zoom bases covered, as opposed to Canon.
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Your Bang on Jonathan K.

For what I do the Nikons D2x would do the trick, -IF- it were built around a FF
chip, BUT! I need Wide Angle and Nikons 10.5 is softer than a $3.00 bill....

I was shown some Prints from this lens by a Nikon Rep and I was shocked
he even consider showing them...They were that soft in the corners and edges...

So, this carpenter is buying the Tool thats right for the job...

Sadly I believe NIKON tools have some catching up to do in the Wide Angle Department....

And I wonder if thats even possible given they must make a 10 mm to match the

AOV and quality of a 15 mm... Will their Digital image Quality ever match that of their
14 mm, I don't know... What I do know is Nikons 10.5 isn't doing the job...

I've always preferred Nikon Optics over Canon but given my need for Wide Angle and

the fact it's finally time for me to buy into Digital imaging, Canon I believe has the edge
over Nikon.....

Buy the tool for the job and Like it 8-/ @^%$^( )(@%^(&)( &^

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Jonathan Kardell said:
I can see how certain needs will point people to a preferred
choice, such as highest ISO performance or ultra telephoto
performance. Now it becomes a matter of choosing the most
appropriate tool for the majority of your work. Any of these
cameras CAN do any of the tasks, but the individual strengths can
be pointers for a decision.

This is just what I gather from all the wisest minds that I can
find on the forums. I hope I have not injured any sacred cows.
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Any temporary advantage Nikon has (assuming it actually exists, which is the subject of this stupid debate) is quite irrelevant to me. The camera I'll be using in 10 years hasn't been invented yet, but it is very likely that I already have many of the lenses I'll be using then, and they all say "Canon" on them.
lawnmower said:
Ten years from now all of these models will be old and you will
still be trying to figure out and prove which one is better.
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MarksPhotography said:
Your Bang on Jonathan K.

For what I do the Nikons D2x would do the trick, -IF- it were
built around a FF
chip, BUT! I need Wide Angle and Nikons 10.5 is softer than a
$3.00 bill....
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Yes, indeed. The 10.5 is a special effects lens only. The 12-24dx is very good, but has a bit of moustache distortion and a bit of CA.

The Sigma 12-24 has been a real surprise. If you get a good sample, it has virtually no distortion. It can not take front mounted filters, but I am not a fan of filters on wide lenses anyway. The sample variations usually involve one side of the frame being less sharp than the other. Perhaps a tilted element issue. At any rate, stopped down, the Sigma seems to really perform. (and you can get it for Canon or Nikon)

The Nikon 17-35 you have is actually one of the best zooms ever made in that range.

The only issues with full frame and super wide angles are the vignetting problem with some lenses and the edge sharpness. I suggest you test before you buy, but in any event there will be something out there to please you.
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People who depend on their camera for their daily bread...do care...you are always trying to provide better results for your customers. and any tool that will make that easier is to be investigated. This doesn't mean you switch camera systems at every turn...but you keep looking forward. My cycle of digitals in the early years was a new camera every nine months, things were changing so quickly. I wound up with a D60 3 years ago and still use it because I love the color and sharpness....its a little clunky, but it does the job. I bought a 1Ds used last summer and think its absolutely great...I would love a 1Ds2, but right now that is not in the financial plan...I will probably wait for the next big improvement in a model.

I am not the only one that feels the 1Ds has the edge over the D2x

http://www.caborian.com/ has an extensive comparison which should be regarded as very thorough.
Tom O'Neil said:
lawnmower said:
Ten years from now all of these models will be old and you will
still be trying to figure out and prove which one is better.
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Andrew Chiciak said:
People who depend on their camera for their daily bread...do
care...you are always trying to provide better results for your
customers. and any tool that will make that easier is to be
investigated. This doesn't mean you switch camera systems at every
turn...but you keep looking forward. My cycle of digitals in the
early years was a new camera every nine months, things were
changing so quickly. I wound up with a D60 3 years ago and still
use it because I love the color and sharpness....its a little
clunky, but it does the job. I bought a 1Ds used last summer and
think its absolutely great...I would love a 1Ds2, but right now
that is not in the financial plan...I will probably wait for the
next big improvement in a model.

I am not the only one that feels the 1Ds has the edge over the D2x

http://www.caborian.com/ has an extensive comparison which should
be regarded as very thorough.
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Wait for some more tests. Bjorns test have been critizised by Canon people, and the spanish from Nikon people. I myself for instance have seen many not so great ISO 640-800 shots in from PJs with 1Ds, on the other hand many Nikon shooters say that the 1600 noise from D2x is on par or better than D70, which, at least from what I have seen, is better than 1Ds.

Some more tests may clear this out. The overall speed and handling of the D2X is probably clearly superior to the 1Ds.

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Thanks for the epithet, Andrew. Now that I know what I am...I think I will
crawl into my cave and sulk. I guess that makes you the "troll hunter".
Your are doing a great service for your fellow photographers!

Naw...I have a few more things to say. This Nikon vs. Canon thing is ridiculous and shows great immaturity among supposedly grown men. It shouldn't be about brand loyalty...are we fanatics...I hope not. Before digital, there was probably strong argument over different film emulsions...now that our cameras are our film...it is necessary to discuss them also...I learn at every turn. I really have nothing against any brand of camera...I used Nikon extensively in the 70's-90's...still have some old bodies and lenses hanging around...just don't have any need to use them any more.

Actually...I would have loved if the D1x had blown away the Canons...be great to get a camera for $5000 that blows away an $8000 camera! But looking at those new spanish test, it confirms my original opinion about the noise and detail level. Then there is that new iso test which seems to be consistent with the other results.
Andrew Raszevski said:
Eugene Powers said:
And why are
you still trolling here with D2x? What are you trying to prove? If
you like D2x so much just go and buy it and you don't have to
justify anything to anyone.

Just enjoy your camera and be happy.
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I agree more tests will reveal more...but I seen enough here and in PM's from other photographers to have somewhat of an inkling. I think the Nikon's are much better at flash control and somewhat better at AF...two things that are important to me. However...I can't agree with handling. Once you work with the 1Ds...the handling is great. The noise is very acceptable even at 800 if you know how to expose.

I guess what I am saying that I wish the Nikon was a better camera because it would be a bargain at that price....its just not good enough to
make me want to buy it.
PerL said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
People who depend on their camera for their daily bread...do
care...you are always trying to provide better results for your
customers. and any tool that will make that easier is to be
investigated. This doesn't mean you switch camera systems at every
turn...but you keep looking forward. My cycle of digitals in the
early years was a new camera every nine months, things were
changing so quickly. I wound up with a D60 3 years ago and still
use it because I love the color and sharpness....its a little
clunky, but it does the job. I bought a 1Ds used last summer and
think its absolutely great...I would love a 1Ds2, but right now
that is not in the financial plan...I will probably wait for the
next big improvement in a model.

I am not the only one that feels the 1Ds has the edge over the D2x

http://www.caborian.com/ has an extensive comparison which should
be regarded as very thorough.
Click to expand...
Wait for some more tests. Bjorns test have been critizised by Canon
people, and the spanish from Nikon people. I myself for instance
have seen many not so great ISO 640-800 shots in from PJs with 1Ds,
on the other hand many Nikon shooters say that the 1600 noise from
D2x is on par or better than D70, which, at least from what I have
seen, is better than 1Ds.
Some more tests may clear this out. The overall speed and handling
of the D2X is probably clearly superior to the 1Ds.

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Yes. At least a little rational thinking on this topic for a change...
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  • Are the accessories you need (or think you will need) available?
  • Does the camera feel comfortable and intuitive to work with?
  • Is the whole system reliable?
  • Can you get it fixed when it breaks, where and how fast?
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I understand what you are saying however these threads are rarely ever about an honest evaluation. The Canon guys for the most part try to say that their cameras are better than Nikons and the Nikons guys for the most part say that the Canon cameras have faults that render them inferior. So these threads are not about providing better results they are about: "My camera is better than your camera", and you know it. That is why I wrote, "Who cares which one is better". When Canon releases a cameras that is clearly better than what Nikon offers in it's class, the Nikon guys won't admit it for the most part and when Nikon releases a camera that is clearly better than when Canon has offered in it's class the Canon guys won't admit it so who cares which one is better? The D2X is a great camera and so is the 1DSMKII. The D70 in its class is a great camera and the 350D XT will be also. The 20D is outstanding. Once again, who cares which one is better? Read the reviews and if you like Canon get it and if you like Nikon get it.
Andrew Chiciak said:
People who depend on their camera for their daily bread...do
care...you are always trying to provide better results for your
customers. and any tool that will make that easier is to be
investigated. This doesn't mean you switch camera systems at every
turn...but you keep looking forward. My cycle of digitals in the
early years was a new camera every nine months, things were
changing so quickly. I wound up with a D60 3 years ago and still
use it because I love the color and sharpness....its a little
clunky, but it does the job. I bought a 1Ds used last summer and
think its absolutely great...I would love a 1Ds2, but right now
that is not in the financial plan...I will probably wait for the
next big improvement in a model.

I am not the only one that feels the 1Ds has the edge over the D2x
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So who cares if you feel that the 1DS has the edge. Do you have the 1Ds? If so enjoy it and stop worrying about a review that indicates otherwise.
Andrew Chiciak said:
http://www.caborian.com/ has an extensive comparison which should
be regarded as very thorough.
Tom O'Neil said:
lawnmower said:
Ten years from now all of these models will be old and you will
still be trying to figure out and prove which one is better.
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Andy C
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You have to sort the good from the bad posts...there are many relevant posts in this thread. For your edification...I already own Canon and am fairly satisfied with them...however I did also own a 10Dand a 20D briefly...and I did not like them at all.
lawnmower said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
People who depend on their camera for their daily bread...do
care...you are always trying to provide better results for your
customers. and any tool that will make that easier is to be
investigated. This doesn't mean you switch camera systems at every
turn...but you keep looking forward. My cycle of digitals in the
early years was a new camera every nine months, things were
changing so quickly. I wound up with a D60 3 years ago and still
use it because I love the color and sharpness....its a little
clunky, but it does the job. I bought a 1Ds used last summer and
think its absolutely great...I would love a 1Ds2, but right now
that is not in the financial plan...I will probably wait for the
next big improvement in a model.

I am not the only one that feels the 1Ds has the edge over the D2x
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So who cares if you feel that the 1DS has the edge. Do you have
the 1Ds? If so enjoy it and stop worrying about a review that
indicates otherwise.
lawnmower said:
http://www.caborian.com/ has an extensive comparison which should
be regarded as very thorough.
Tom O'Neil said:
lawnmower said:
Ten years from now all of these models will be old and you will
still be trying to figure out and prove which one is better.
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Andy C
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... to some D2x shots in "real" conditions. (PJ work)

If i look to the basketball shots (sport/cropped mode, 1600ASA), i think my 1DmII
can do better, even in this low-light conditions.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=12498074

Michael R.
PerL said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
People who depend on their camera for their daily bread...do
care...you are always trying to provide better results for your
customers. and any tool that will make that easier is to be
investigated. This doesn't mean you switch camera systems at every
turn...but you keep looking forward. My cycle of digitals in the
early years was a new camera every nine months, things were
changing so quickly. I wound up with a D60 3 years ago and still
use it because I love the color and sharpness....its a little
clunky, but it does the job. I bought a 1Ds used last summer and
think its absolutely great...I would love a 1Ds2, but right now
that is not in the financial plan...I will probably wait for the
next big improvement in a model.

I am not the only one that feels the 1Ds has the edge over the D2x

http://www.caborian.com/ has an extensive comparison which should
be regarded as very thorough.
Click to expand...
Wait for some more tests. Bjorns test have been critizised by Canon
people, and the spanish from Nikon people. I myself for instance
have seen many not so great ISO 640-800 shots in from PJs with 1Ds,
on the other hand many Nikon shooters say that the 1600 noise from
D2x is on par or better than D70, which, at least from what I have
seen, is better than 1Ds.
Some more tests may clear this out. The overall speed and handling
of the D2X is probably clearly superior to the 1Ds.

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Well thanks Andrew. Not many say that about the 20D nor did many say that about the 10D when it was at the top of it's class.
Andrew Chiciak said:
lawnmower said:
great camera and the 350D XT will be also. The 20D is outstanding so people say.
Once again, who cares which one is better? Read the reviews and if
you like Canon get it and if you like Nikon get it.
Andrew Chiciak said:
People who depend on their camera for their daily bread...do
care...you are always trying to provide better results for your
customers. and any tool that will make that easier is to be
investigated. This doesn't mean you switch camera systems at every
turn...but you keep looking forward. My cycle of digitals in the
early years was a new camera every nine months, things were
changing so quickly. I wound up with a D60 3 years ago and still
use it because I love the color and sharpness....its a little
clunky, but it does the job. I bought a 1Ds used last summer and
think its absolutely great...I would love a 1Ds2, but right now
that is not in the financial plan...I will probably wait for the
next big improvement in a model.

I am not the only one that feels the 1Ds has the edge over the D2x
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So who cares if you feel that the 1DS has the edge. Do you have
the 1Ds? If so enjoy it and stop worrying about a review that
indicates otherwise.
Andrew Chiciak said:
http://www.caborian.com/ has an extensive comparison which should
be regarded as very thorough.
Tom O'Neil said:
lawnmower said:
Ten years from now all of these models will be old and you will
still be trying to figure out and prove which one is better.
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Andy C
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Well, the main problem with both was inconsistent focus...both were quicker than the D60, but did not always lockon accurately. I only use one shot, center focus spot to be as exact as possible. I'm not the only pro who has experienced this...in fact there is a 20D thread going on in the DWF forum right now about this very problem. I sold my original D60 to get the 10D and returned it the same week to buy another used D60 which I am still using every week very successfully. The 1Ds has been great too, but it does occasionally misfocus with my 24-70...I think I will have to send them in to canon soon.
lawnmower said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
lawnmower said:
great camera and the 350D XT will be also. The 20D is outstanding so people say.
Once again, who cares which one is better? Read the reviews and if
you like Canon get it and if you like Nikon get it.
Andrew Chiciak said:
People who depend on their camera for their daily bread...do
care...you are always trying to provide better results for your
customers. and any tool that will make that easier is to be
investigated. This doesn't mean you switch camera systems at every
turn...but you keep looking forward. My cycle of digitals in the
early years was a new camera every nine months, things were
changing so quickly. I wound up with a D60 3 years ago and still
use it because I love the color and sharpness....its a little
clunky, but it does the job. I bought a 1Ds used last summer and
think its absolutely great...I would love a 1Ds2, but right now
that is not in the financial plan...I will probably wait for the
next big improvement in a model.

I am not the only one that feels the 1Ds has the edge over the D2x
Click to expand...
So who cares if you feel that the 1DS has the edge. Do you have
the 1Ds? If so enjoy it and stop worrying about a review that
indicates otherwise.
lawnmower said:
http://www.caborian.com/ has an extensive comparison which should
be regarded as very thorough.
Tom O'Neil said:
lawnmower said:
Ten years from now all of these models will be old and you will
still be trying to figure out and prove which one is better.
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