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D2x..why all the fuss?

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As far as I am concerned...I am a photographer who makes a good living at this. I don't call myself a "canon" photographer or a "nikon" photographer. I do happen to own 3 Canons right now and am doing well with them, but if the D2x where truly better for me I would not hesitate to switch in an instant. I was just giving my honest opinion that the nikon image does not impress me in relation to what I now use....a 1Ds. This "nationalistic" forum allegiance to a particular brand as if it where some secret "cult" or gang is both insiped and immature. Hopefully, discussion of equipment should relate to how it will help us in our photography and not which "gang" is better. I hope you enjoy your "CANON" cameras...maybe you also take them to bed with you.
DD2.1 said:
The real question is why you folks want to ask this on the Canon
forum. It's a CANON forum for CANON cameras. Please take it to
the Nikon forum. This is getting old.
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Andy C
 
Your utterly bias statement. Don't take any "deep" offense to it, I'm sure you are a fine photographer, but your comment seems a bit too arrogant.
Andrew Chiciak said:
Preston said:
But to his original comment - That is simply, Retarded.
PicOne said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???
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It doesn't effect the shots. But the reply to the quote "$3000
cheaper" was "you can get a used 1ds for 4k". That completely
changes the comparison, as you are now comparing a used camera to a
new camera. The orignal comparison was feature and price. A more
fair comparison would be a new D2x vs a new 1DS, but since the 1DS
is no longer in stock, you can't
If you want to compare raw numbers, features, etc.. than the 1dsmk2
is better, but that is another discussion. I was merely replying
to the "reply" that the D2x is 3k cheaper.
Yellow_Hands said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
You can buy a used 1Ds for around $4000
Rumpelstielzchen said:
nt
Andrew Chiciak wrote:
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Andy C
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Ol Yellow Hands
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Andy C
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I agree with you, Pekka, for the most part...it is the photography that matters...but the right tool can help you acheive your goals faster. I personally did not like the Mark2 because I required more resolution in my final prints, esp. at larger sizes , so I chose the 1Ds...which gives a magnificent image, but requires more exacting exposure and really is not that good over about 320 iso....but in terms of what I get with it, I am willing to forgo the extra convience of the Mark 2. I find that my 24x30 prints cannot be told from good med format film...even viewing them at six inches away...and this matters to me.
Pekka Saarinen said:
Doug R said:
I understand the Nikon guys being excited. Its a great camera with
some cool features (2years too late). But those of us with Canon
glass shouldn't give 2 hoots about it. Its not so good as to make
you want to switch (a few might). Let the Nikon guys have thier new
toy. When told that the D2x has less noise or higher res. just
smile, you know the truth no need beating them up with it.

Go take pictures, Doug
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Even if the new Nikon is "2 years behind" the fact is that the top
gear what we can buy now (both Canon and Nikon) are so good that
they do not limit our creativity. They all get the job done, and
YOU are the weak link. I do not know any photographer who
truthfully needs a better camera than e.g. Canon mark II series
is.

Much of the new gear hype (and fighting) is about noise levels and
spatial resolution and pixel density and other numerical stuff. The
big image is lost. The truth is that high ISO noise of any current
top DSLR's does not look bad on print, noise levels we currently
get (on Canon and Nikon and Fuji and Kodak and..) or using 8mp
instead of 15mp does not ruin our chances of getting the title for
"Press photographer of the year 2005". Scrutinizing the 200% output
on 72dpi screen has messed our minds.

In the end the choice of brand comes down to simple questions like:
  • Are the lenses you need (or think you will need) available?
  • Are the accessories you need (or think you will need) available?
  • Does the camera feel comfortable and intuitive to work with?
  • Is the whole system reliable?
  • Can you get it fixed when it breaks, where and how fast?
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Andy C
 
What statement is that?
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
Preston said:
But to his original comment - That is simply, Retarded.
PicOne said:
Preston said:
Preston said:
How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???
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It doesn't effect the shots. But the reply to the quote "$3000
cheaper" was "you can get a used 1ds for 4k". That completely
changes the comparison, as you are now comparing a used camera to a
new camera. The orignal comparison was feature and price. A more
fair comparison would be a new D2x vs a new 1DS, but since the 1DS
is no longer in stock, you can't
If you want to compare raw numbers, features, etc.. than the 1dsmk2
is better, but that is another discussion. I was merely replying
to the "reply" that the D2x is 3k cheaper.
Yellow_Hands said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
You can buy a used 1Ds for around $4000
Rumpelstielzchen said:
nt
Andrew Chiciak wrote:
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Andy C
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Ol Yellow Hands
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Andy C
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Andy C
 
Andrew Chiciak said:
I have seen several 100% crops and my 1Ds mark 1 blows this camera > away both in less noise and more resolution.
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Your other statement further down this thread seems far more balanced. If you want to argue, "what fits your needs", that is fine. No one has seen a thorough comparison of the two. You seriously don't think anyone would be able to have a valid arguement with the statement "less noise and MORE RESOLUTION" on a 1Ds mk1 compared to a D2x? Not trying to be a loyalist here, its just that the initial statement seemed biased.
Andrew Chiciak said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
Preston said:
But to his original comment - That is simply, Retarded.
PicOne said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???
Click to expand...
It doesn't effect the shots. But the reply to the quote "$3000
cheaper" was "you can get a used 1ds for 4k". That completely
changes the comparison, as you are now comparing a used camera to a
new camera. The orignal comparison was feature and price. A more
fair comparison would be a new D2x vs a new 1DS, but since the 1DS
is no longer in stock, you can't
If you want to compare raw numbers, features, etc.. than the 1dsmk2
is better, but that is another discussion. I was merely replying
to the "reply" that the D2x is 3k cheaper.
Yellow_Hands said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
You can buy a used 1Ds for around $4000
Rumpelstielzchen said:
nt
Andrew Chiciak wrote:
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Andy C
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Ol Yellow Hands
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Andy C
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Preston,

With all due respect...I made that statement based on what I saw posted and in comparison to %100 crops from my 1Ds. I spend an average of 3 hours each day processing digital files from my shoots, so I feel I have a fairly trained eye and I observed less noise and better resolution from my camera....so I don't see why this would be a biased statement...I further stated that I really have no brand allegiance and would switch in a heartbeat if there were a better tool for me.
Preston said:
Preston said:
I have seen several 100% crops and my 1Ds mark 1 blows this camera > away both in less noise and more resolution.
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Your other statement further down this thread seems far more
balanced. If you want to argue, "what fits your needs", that is
fine. No one has seen a thorough comparison of the two. You
seriously don't think anyone would be able to have a valid
arguement with the statement "less noise and MORE RESOLUTION" on a
1Ds mk1 compared to a D2x? Not trying to be a loyalist here, its
just that the initial statement seemed biased.
Andrew Chiciak said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
Preston said:
But to his original comment - That is simply, Retarded.
PicOne said:
Preston said:
Preston said:
How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???
Click to expand...
It doesn't effect the shots. But the reply to the quote "$3000
cheaper" was "you can get a used 1ds for 4k". That completely
changes the comparison, as you are now comparing a used camera to a
new camera. The orignal comparison was feature and price. A more
fair comparison would be a new D2x vs a new 1DS, but since the 1DS
is no longer in stock, you can't
If you want to compare raw numbers, features, etc.. than the 1dsmk2
is better, but that is another discussion. I was merely replying
to the "reply" that the D2x is 3k cheaper.
Yellow_Hands said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
You can buy a used 1Ds for around $4000
Rumpelstielzchen said:
nt
Andrew Chiciak wrote:
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Andy C
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Ol Yellow Hands
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Andy C
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Andy C
 
This forum seems to be filling up with a lot of sad and insecure people at the minute, i mean, if a camera shows up that just MAY be somewhere near as good as what you are shooting bothers you all that much????

You have two options, you can sell up your Canon gear or pretend nothing has happened and take some pictures. The more you take the better you should get, then you may start to realize that your Canon is actualy quite good!
Malcolm L. said:
Oh my god! Did I buy the right camera? The right lenses? Is mine
a dud? Is his a dud? Can you see this banding on this shot that
is 2 stops underexposed? I've got a speck of dust on my sensor so
Canon service is terrible! What am I going to do now that someone
has "proven" that Nikon has the best camera and sensor combo?
Should I sell all my Canon gear and switch? When will I atain
perfection without having to anything put press a button?

Stop it! Go out, take pictures. Learn how to make your equipment
work. The minute details will bother you less if you concentrate
on what you can do with what you have and how you can improve. I'd
be willing to bet that most photo equipment, regardless of brand,
is better than the user. These discussions do not improve your
skills.

Malcolm
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Yes,

I think I will just do that...maybe I will get as good as you some day.
KevinDufff said:
You have two options, you can sell up your Canon gear or pretend
nothing has happened and take some pictures. The more you take the
better you should get, then you may start to realize that your
Canon is actualy quite good!
Malcolm L. said:
Oh my god! Did I buy the right camera? The right lenses? Is mine
a dud? Is his a dud? Can you see this banding on this shot that
is 2 stops underexposed? I've got a speck of dust on my sensor so
Canon service is terrible! What am I going to do now that someone
has "proven" that Nikon has the best camera and sensor combo?
Should I sell all my Canon gear and switch? When will I atain
perfection without having to anything put press a button?

Stop it! Go out, take pictures. Learn how to make your equipment
work. The minute details will bother you less if you concentrate
on what you can do with what you have and how you can improve. I'd
be willing to bet that most photo equipment, regardless of brand,
is better than the user. These discussions do not improve your
skills.

Malcolm
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Andy C
 
It's not just the camera bodies. It's the lenses. I got tired of waiting for Nikon to put IS/VR in its long lenses, so I switched. No regrets.

I would buy a D2X if Nikon sold it for $450.
 
I agree...People get so darned defensive over their purchase. It's like...'Oh no! The D2X takes killer pics...I don't think I can take a good pic with my 1Ds or 1DsMKII anymore! What do I do??' It goes back to the fact that many many people here are mostly gearheads looking to own the latest and greates as opposed to learning how to take a good photo with the equipment they have.

Teski
Malcolm L. said:
Oh my god! Did I buy the right camera? The right lenses? Is mine
a dud? Is his a dud? Can you see this banding on this shot that
is 2 stops underexposed? I've got a speck of dust on my sensor so
Canon service is terrible! What am I going to do now that someone
has "proven" that Nikon has the best camera and sensor combo?
Should I sell all my Canon gear and switch? When will I atain
perfection without having to anything put press a button?

Stop it! Go out, take pictures. Learn how to make your equipment
work. The minute details will bother you less if you concentrate
on what you can do with what you have and how you can improve. I'd
be willing to bet that most photo equipment, regardless of brand,
is better than the user. These discussions do not improve your
skills.

Malcolm
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I am really sorry I started this thread. It was really an objective opinion and not in defense of any particular equipment. I am really quite happy with what I have right now. I like objective posts..and discussion is healthy. What I really object to are those that always have to lecture others about how they are insecure or whatever or that they should just forget about it and take the picture...I certainly take professional photos every day. A forum about equipment can certainly contain relevant opinion...relevant to the issue at hand...not a character asassination. Digital cameras will continue to get better...and make our jobs easier and more satisfying. We are all looking for the holy grail to some extent. A camera will not improve your eye, or your sense of composition , or your aesthetic skills. But I think we all agree that we are always hoping for improvement in one area or another.

So here goes...my wish list for the future of digital cameras. 1. more exposure lattitude...we all know how to expose properly...but sometimes due to conditions and time constraints, we can't always nail it 100%, so something closer to neg. film latitude would be great. 2. Better color interfaces.....I shoot raw for critical work, but I also like jpeg for candids. My main problem has been getting consistent skin tones when I am shooting in mixed lighting....I can usually get close with lots of work, but I would like better out of the camera WB in these situations. 3. More consistent autofocus. As good as these cameras are there are still too many oofs for my taste...I'm talking about shots you are sure you nailed and got a visual confirmation in the viewfinder, only to find that the camera backfocused or something like that.
Teski said:
Teski
Malcolm L. said:
Oh my god! Did I buy the right camera? The right lenses? Is mine
a dud? Is his a dud? Can you see this banding on this shot that
is 2 stops underexposed? I've got a speck of dust on my sensor so
Canon service is terrible! What am I going to do now that someone
has "proven" that Nikon has the best camera and sensor combo?
Should I sell all my Canon gear and switch? When will I atain
perfection without having to anything put press a button?

Stop it! Go out, take pictures. Learn how to make your equipment
work. The minute details will bother you less if you concentrate
on what you can do with what you have and how you can improve. I'd
be willing to bet that most photo equipment, regardless of brand,
is better than the user. These discussions do not improve your
skills.

Malcolm
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Andy C
 
You don't even have a D2X on hand and you called your comment an objective opinion. In fact, you even go further and said X blows Y in performance. I wonder what words are left when comparing your 1DS vs my S70.
Andrew Chiciak said:
I am really sorry I started this thread. It was really an objective
opinion and not in defense of any particular equipment. I am really
quite happy with what I have right now.
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YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH BROTHER!!!

Canon, Nikon whatever, at any given price point numerous cameras perform admirably. This constant nonsense esp. comparing Nikon to Canon and vice versa backs up what you say.

Take equal calibre images without labling as to what camera did what and one wold be hard pressed to tell a Nikon from a Canon from most other brands. It's folly for people with too much time on their hands.

Get a feeling as to what cameras suit yout tastes, ergonomic biases, budget and just style. If such is Nikon or Canon or whatever brand so be it. Just understand that for value you marry into a system and that is the only ancillary concern one needs to have.

If I had an option to buy into a Nikon system with a D2x factoring the costs, I'd consider it as much as I would a 1DmkII, 1Ds, or 1DsmkII.
Teski said:
Teski
Malcolm L. said:
Oh my god! Did I buy the right camera? The right lenses? Is mine
a dud? Is his a dud? Can you see this banding on this shot that
is 2 stops underexposed? I've got a speck of dust on my sensor so
Canon service is terrible! What am I going to do now that someone
has "proven" that Nikon has the best camera and sensor combo?
Should I sell all my Canon gear and switch? When will I atain
perfection without having to anything put press a button?

Stop it! Go out, take pictures. Learn how to make your equipment
work. The minute details will bother you less if you concentrate
on what you can do with what you have and how you can improve. I'd
be willing to bet that most photo equipment, regardless of brand,
is better than the user. These discussions do not improve your
skills.

Malcolm
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visit my photo gallary of images from my 10D

http://phileas.fotopic.net/c258181.html
 
Practice, practice, practice! you should get close one day ;)
Andrew Chiciak said:
I think I will just do that...maybe I will get as good as you some
day.
KevinDufff said:
You have two options, you can sell up your Canon gear or pretend
nothing has happened and take some pictures. The more you take the
better you should get, then you may start to realize that your
Canon is actualy quite good!
Malcolm L. said:
Oh my god! Did I buy the right camera? The right lenses? Is mine
a dud? Is his a dud? Can you see this banding on this shot that
is 2 stops underexposed? I've got a speck of dust on my sensor so
Canon service is terrible! What am I going to do now that someone
has "proven" that Nikon has the best camera and sensor combo?
Should I sell all my Canon gear and switch? When will I atain
perfection without having to anything put press a button?

Stop it! Go out, take pictures. Learn how to make your equipment
work. The minute details will bother you less if you concentrate
on what you can do with what you have and how you can improve. I'd
be willing to bet that most photo equipment, regardless of brand,
is better than the user. These discussions do not improve your
skills.

Malcolm
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Andy C
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The D2X is a nice cam, but in my opinion only for studio work. Today we've done some Large Image Prints with ISO 800 and it was... no pleasure.

ISO 100 and 200 are really great! The Body is a pleasure too. But i rather prefer the image performance of the 1D Series.

I love how the AF and the ergonomics work on the D2X, but this doesn't interest my customers! They only care for the images.
 
But you're an "Expert" in one, and never used the other - so how can you make a valid comparison??? That seems pretty closed-minded to me.

The D2X shots I've seen are all over the place, but the good ones are very very good - Bjorn's underexposed snow shot later recovered in post-processing is excellent..

Much like I would expect from any top DSLR, you have to know how to use it, and that takes time.

To your question on availbaility, B&H had 20 this morning, and sold out in 30 minutes. They are now waiting for more supply...
Andrew Chiciak said:
With all due respect...I made that statement based on what I saw
posted and in comparison to %100 crops from my 1Ds. I spend an
average of 3 hours each day processing digital files from my
shoots, so I feel I have a fairly trained eye and I observed less
noise and better resolution from my camera....so I don't see why
this would be a biased statement...I further stated that I really
have no brand allegiance and would switch in a heartbeat if there
were a better tool for me.
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
I have seen several 100% crops and my 1Ds mark 1 blows this camera > away both in less noise and more resolution.
Click to expand...
Your other statement further down this thread seems far more
balanced. If you want to argue, "what fits your needs", that is
fine. No one has seen a thorough comparison of the two. You
seriously don't think anyone would be able to have a valid
arguement with the statement "less noise and MORE RESOLUTION" on a
1Ds mk1 compared to a D2x? Not trying to be a loyalist here, its
just that the initial statement seemed biased.
Andrew Chiciak said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
Preston said:
But to his original comment - That is simply, Retarded.
PicOne said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???
Click to expand...
It doesn't effect the shots. But the reply to the quote "$3000
cheaper" was "you can get a used 1ds for 4k". That completely
changes the comparison, as you are now comparing a used camera to a
new camera. The orignal comparison was feature and price. A more
fair comparison would be a new D2x vs a new 1DS, but since the 1DS
is no longer in stock, you can't
If you want to compare raw numbers, features, etc.. than the 1dsmk2
is better, but that is another discussion. I was merely replying
to the "reply" that the D2x is 3k cheaper.
Yellow_Hands said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
You can buy a used 1Ds for around $4000
Rumpelstielzchen said:
nt
Andrew Chiciak wrote:
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Andy C
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Darkos Merel said:
" I love how the AF and the ergonomics work on the D2X, but this
doesn't interest my customers! They only care for the images."
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If you cant produce "images" with that camera maybe your in a wrong business. I know real pros who even with a D70 comes through in a pinch. Its not the equipment rather its the person who gets most out of it. I dont call myself pro and I'm not but there are some real pros who I do respect and he does shoot Canon at the moment.

Its like any idiot could go out and buy him self a viper or corvette for that matter porsche...etc. It doesnt mean anything unless he has the skills to drive the car. But all too often usually after they crashed or mess up and then blame the car. If you know what your doing guy in a mini will out drive some one in the corvette like in a autocross! I just havent seen any photographer well lets call them "Pros" who were limited by what was in their hands. just my 2cents no offense intended!
 
Regarding D2X high ISO, you may want to check this thread...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=12440556

looks like the Emperor's New Clothes
syuek said:
syuek said:
" I love how the AF and the ergonomics work on the D2X, but this
doesn't interest my customers! They only care for the images."
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If you cant produce "images" with that camera maybe your in a wrong
business. I know real pros who even with a D70 comes through in a
pinch. Its not the equipment rather its the person who gets most
out of it. I dont call myself pro and I'm not but there are some
real pros who I do respect and he does shoot Canon at the moment.

Its like any idiot could go out and buy him self a viper or
corvette for that matter porsche...etc. It doesnt mean anything
unless he has the skills to drive the car. But all too often
usually after they crashed or mess up and then blame the car. If
you know what your doing guy in a mini will out drive some one in
the corvette like in a autocross! I just havent seen any
photographer well lets call them "Pros" who were limited by what
was in their hands. just my 2cents no offense intended!
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