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I don't know about you...but I can't understand all the fuss over this camera. The resolution is OK, but I have seen several 100% crops and my 1Ds mark 1 blows this camera away both in less noise and more resolution.
Is Nikon 2 years behind in the digital race?
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Andy C
 
I understand the Nikon guys being excited. Its a great camera with some cool features (2years too late). But those of us with Canon glass shouldn't give 2 hoots about it. Its not so good as to make you want to switch (a few might). Let the Nikon guys have thier new toy. When told that the D2x has less noise or higher res. just smile, you know the truth no need beating them up with it.

Go take pictures, Doug
Andrew Chiciak said:
I don't know about you...but I can't understand all the fuss over
this camera. The resolution is OK, but I have seen several 100%
crops and my 1Ds mark 1 blows this camera away both in less noise
and more resolution.
Is Nikon 2 years behind in the digital race?
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Andy C
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Formerly Dreb Doug
 
Some facts that I wrote back in November, when I went tired of waiting for a D2x:
  • It took Nikon 3.5 years to upgrade their flagship DSLR from 5.2Mp to 12.2Mp.
  • It took Canon 2 years to upgrade their flagship DSLR from 11Mp to 16.6Mp.
  • Nikon D2h: 4Mp, 8fps, 1.5x cropping factor.
  • Canon 1D Mark II: 8.2Mp, 8.5fps, 1.3x cropping factor.
Shrtly after that, I got my 1D MkII. No regrets here!

-Andre
Andre Remoe said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
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Is Nikon 2 years behind in the digital race?
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Andy C
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You know that just have happened many times ... LOL
Doug R said:
Go take pictures, Doug
Andrew Chiciak said:
I don't know about you...but I can't understand all the fuss over
this camera. The resolution is OK, but I have seen several 100%
crops and my 1Ds mark 1 blows this camera away both in less noise
and more resolution.
Is Nikon 2 years behind in the digital race?
--
Andy C
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Formerly Dreb Doug
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Doug R said:
I understand the Nikon guys being excited. Its a great camera with
some cool features (2years too late). But those of us with Canon
glass shouldn't give 2 hoots about it. Its not so good as to make
you want to switch (a few might). Let the Nikon guys have thier new
toy. When told that the D2x has less noise or higher res. just
smile, you know the truth no need beating them up with it.

Go take pictures, Doug
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Even if the new Nikon is "2 years behind" the fact is that the top gear what we can buy now (both Canon and Nikon) are so good that they do not limit our creativity. They all get the job done, and YOU are the weak link. I do not know any photographer who truthfully needs a better camera than e.g. Canon mark II series is.

Much of the new gear hype (and fighting) is about noise levels and spatial resolution and pixel density and other numerical stuff. The big image is lost. The truth is that high ISO noise of any current top DSLR's does not look bad on print, noise levels we currently get (on Canon and Nikon and Fuji and Kodak and..) or using 8mp instead of 15mp does not ruin our chances of getting the title for "Press photographer of the year 2005". Scrutinizing the 200% output on 72dpi screen has messed our minds.

In the end the choice of brand comes down to simple questions like:
  • Are the lenses you need (or think you will need) available?
  • Are the accessories you need (or think you will need) available?
  • Does the camera feel comfortable and intuitive to work with?
  • Is the whole system reliable?
  • Can you get it fixed when it breaks, where and how fast?
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Pekka
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...I really don't regret my choice. I now have two 1DMkII's and a 1DsMkII and enjoy them immensely.

I made the switch with the assumption that the D2X would be perfect - low noise, good files, etc. For my work, a perfectly executed D2X (and even a D2Hs) isn't what I want to use in the future. Nothing has changed for me.

Dave
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Andrew Chiciak said:
I don't know about you...but I can't understand all the fuss over
this camera. The resolution is OK, but I have seen several 100%
crops and my 1Ds mark 1 blows this camera away both in less noise
and more resolution.
Is Nikon 2 years behind in the digital race?
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Andy C
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The real question is why you folks want to ask this on the Canon forum. It's a CANON forum for CANON cameras. Please take it to the Nikon forum. This is getting old.
 
Yellow_Hands said:
How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???
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It doesn't effect the shots. But the reply to the quote "$3000 cheaper" was "you can get a used 1ds for 4k". That completely changes the comparison, as you are now comparing a used camera to a new camera. The orignal comparison was feature and price. A more fair comparison would be a new D2x vs a new 1DS, but since the 1DS is no longer in stock, you can't

If you want to compare raw numbers, features, etc.. than the 1dsmk2 is better, but that is another discussion. I was merely replying to the "reply" that the D2x is 3k cheaper.
Yellow_Hands said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
You can buy a used 1Ds for around $4000
Rumpelstielzchen said:
nt
Andrew Chiciak wrote:
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Andy C
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How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???

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Ol Yellow Hands
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the original "reply" was not appropriate as the thread began in comparing original 1ds to D2X. And, where exactly is the D2X in stock -- I'm sure lots of folks would like to know?
Preston said:
Preston said:
How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???
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It doesn't effect the shots. But the reply to the quote "$3000
cheaper" was "you can get a used 1ds for 4k". That completely
changes the comparison, as you are now comparing a used camera to a
new camera. The orignal comparison was feature and price. A more
fair comparison would be a new D2x vs a new 1DS, but since the 1DS
is no longer in stock, you can't
If you want to compare raw numbers, features, etc.. than the 1dsmk2
is better, but that is another discussion. I was merely replying
to the "reply" that the D2x is 3k cheaper.
Yellow_Hands said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
You can buy a used 1Ds for around $4000
Rumpelstielzchen said:
nt
Andrew Chiciak wrote:
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Andy C
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How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???

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Ol Yellow Hands
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Actually, I stand corrected, he was talking about the 1DS.. I assumed his comments referred to the mk2 which seemed justified.

But to his original comment - That is simply, Retarded.
PicOne said:
Preston said:
PicOne said:
How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???
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It doesn't effect the shots. But the reply to the quote "$3000
cheaper" was "you can get a used 1ds for 4k". That completely
changes the comparison, as you are now comparing a used camera to a
new camera. The orignal comparison was feature and price. A more
fair comparison would be a new D2x vs a new 1DS, but since the 1DS
is no longer in stock, you can't
If you want to compare raw numbers, features, etc.. than the 1dsmk2
is better, but that is another discussion. I was merely replying
to the "reply" that the D2x is 3k cheaper.
Yellow_Hands said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
You can buy a used 1Ds for around $4000
Rumpelstielzchen said:
nt
Andrew Chiciak wrote:
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Andy C
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How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???

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Ol Yellow Hands
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Retarded? Who are you referring to?
Preston said:
But to his original comment - That is simply, Retarded.
PicOne said:
Preston said:
Preston said:
How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???
Click to expand...
It doesn't effect the shots. But the reply to the quote "$3000
cheaper" was "you can get a used 1ds for 4k". That completely
changes the comparison, as you are now comparing a used camera to a
new camera. The orignal comparison was feature and price. A more
fair comparison would be a new D2x vs a new 1DS, but since the 1DS
is no longer in stock, you can't
If you want to compare raw numbers, features, etc.. than the 1dsmk2
is better, but that is another discussion. I was merely replying
to the "reply" that the D2x is 3k cheaper.
Yellow_Hands said:
Preston said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
You can buy a used 1Ds for around $4000
Rumpelstielzchen said:
nt
Andrew Chiciak wrote:
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Andy C
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How does a warranty effect the shots produced by the Camera???

--
Ol Yellow Hands
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Andy C
 
The camera is good - it fits properly at its price point right between the 1DII and the 1Ds II. But there is at least one test that tries to place it at the top of the heap. That test, naturally, has caused a great deal of fuss, given that the methodology has created a false advantage for the smaller sensor, and has downplayed the inherent noise issues involved in such a design.
Andrew Chiciak said:
I don't know about you...but I can't understand all the fuss over
this camera. The resolution is OK, but I have seen several 100%
crops and my 1Ds mark 1 blows this camera away both in less noise
and more resolution.
Is Nikon 2 years behind in the digital race?
--
Andy C
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Tom
 
Oh my god! Did I buy the right camera? The right lenses? Is mine a dud? Is his a dud? Can you see this banding on this shot that is 2 stops underexposed? I've got a speck of dust on my sensor so Canon service is terrible! What am I going to do now that someone has "proven" that Nikon has the best camera and sensor combo? Should I sell all my Canon gear and switch? When will I atain perfection without having to anything put press a button?

Stop it! Go out, take pictures. Learn how to make your equipment work. The minute details will bother you less if you concentrate on what you can do with what you have and how you can improve. I'd be willing to bet that most photo equipment, regardless of brand, is better than the user. These discussions do not improve your skills.

Malcolm
 
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