The "Bucket" analogy

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Quick Question,

I'm sure most of you have heard of the "bucket" analogy when it comes to exposing film correctly (i.e., size of hose = apature, how long the hose is on = shutter.)

Question: Where / how does film speed sensitivity fit into this?

-NB

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Quick Question,

I'm sure most of you have heard of the "bucket" analogy when it
comes to exposing film correctly (i.e., size of hose = apature, how
long the hose is on = shutter.)

Question: Where / how does film speed sensitivity fit into this?

-NB

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Diameter of the bucket...how fast does the bucket fill up?
 
Quick Question,

I'm sure most of you have heard of the "bucket" analogy when it
comes to exposing film correctly (i.e., size of hose = apature, how
long the hose is on = shutter.)

Question: Where / how does film speed sensitivity fit into this?
Bucket volume. Twice as sensitive film (or sensor) means a half-sized bucket.

Helge Hafting
 
Rate of water flow, may be??? Even though I realize that it should a property of the bucket for a good analogy..
Quick Question,

I'm sure most of you have heard of the "bucket" analogy when it
comes to exposing film correctly (i.e., size of hose = apature, how
long the hose is on = shutter.)

Question: Where / how does film speed sensitivity fit into this?

-NB

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Diameter of the bucket...how fast does the bucket fill up?
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Glu_Stikk
 
in digital ISO does not have an impact on the bucket and how it fills.

In digital it works kind of like this

You have a bucket that is big enough to hold lets say 1 litre or 1 gallon (wherever you live and no 1 litre is not = 1 gallon)

The exposure fills the bucket with water over a certain amount of time

lets say at ISO 100 the base ISO for our bucket we fill the bucket 1/3 within 1 second

when we switch to ISO 200 nothing changes physically so the bucket still fills up just as fast. If we leave the same time of exposure the bucket will still fill up to 1/3.

After the exposure is done the camera interprets the contents of the bucket.

That is where the ISO comes in. if the ISO was 100 (the base ISO) the camera takes the value of the bucket as read.

If the ISO was 200 it will multiply the contents of the bucket by 2 to get the actual value for the exposure. This is also the reason why the dynamic range is less and why the noise gets worse.

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Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com
 
Quick Question,

I'm sure most of you have heard of the "bucket" analogy when it
comes to exposing film correctly (i.e., size of hose = apature, how
long the hose is on = shutter.)

Question: Where / how does film speed sensitivity fit into this?
'Hard' or 'soft' water?
Skipper494.
 
Another way to look at it is.

You live in a city with water that has slightly a bad taste to it. So you decide in your bucket you will add some sort of drink mix. At full concentration after water is added, tastes pretty good. It pretty much masks the bad taste of the water.

but when you double the ISO, it is like reducing the drink mix by half. The mixture no longer tastes as good and you are starting to taste the water.

Double it again and It's starting to taste pretty bad all around. The good flavors aren't there and the bad ones are really shining through.
in digital ISO does not have an impact on the bucket and how it fills.

In digital it works kind of like this

You have a bucket that is big enough to hold lets say 1 litre or 1
gallon (wherever you live and no 1 litre is not = 1 gallon)

The exposure fills the bucket with water over a certain amount of time

lets say at ISO 100 the base ISO for our bucket we fill the bucket
1/3 within 1 second

when we switch to ISO 200 nothing changes physically so the bucket
still fills up just as fast. If we leave the same time of exposure
the bucket will still fill up to 1/3.

After the exposure is done the camera interprets the contents of
the bucket.

That is where the ISO comes in. if the ISO was 100 (the base ISO)
the camera takes the value of the bucket as read.

If the ISO was 200 it will multiply the contents of the bucket by 2
to get the actual value for the exposure. This is also the reason
why the dynamic range is less and why the noise gets worse.

--
Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com
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Brian
 
I'm sure most of you have heard of the "bucket" analogy when it
comes to exposing film correctly (i.e., size of hose = apature, how
long the hose is on = shutter.)

Question: Where / how does film speed sensitivity fit into this?
Bucket volume.
I guess you mean bucket "diameter" (as someone else suggested).

(Larger "volume" could be established by a "taller" bucket instead.
A taller bucket gives you what -- more dynamic range?)

Maybe buckets can also explain coarse grain on highly sensitive film:
the bigger grains come from the big wide buckets. lol

Since we're talking about film (not digital sensor photosites), think of
just one single bucket (e.g. a 24x36mm rectangular bucket).

The bucket contains a "sponge". The sponge absorbs "rain" (light).

The more-sensitive film contains a more-absorbent sponge.
(A film with greater DR contains a thicker sponge.)

With color film, you've got a multi-layered sponge.
The layers react in different ways to different-colored raindrops. lol

(Of course raindrops come in different colors, silly!
Where do you think rainbows come from?)

The water evaporates, yet the sponge retains the changes caused
by its absorption of water, i.e., your picture is now represented
within the sponge.

Then you dip the sponge in some magic chemicals, which make the
picture (negative) appear upon the surface of the sponge.

OK OK, this analogy doesn't make complete sense.
Neither do "buckets". Water is water and rain is rain.
Light is light. They're not the same. They don't really
behave the same. Films are not buckets. Films are films.
Cameras are cameras, not rain-gauges.

Analogies can be illustrative, but only up to a point.
Skip the analogies ... just talk about film! Tell me how film really works!

On second thought, don't. I flunked Chem 1A and just about
everything else. ... Besides, this is a digital photography site,
so perhaps our discussion of bucket-film belongs elsewhere.

-- omr
 

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