Incedible price difference USA versus Europe for 350D

Jim F. · Feb 21, 2005

This is not news. It's also extremely easy to answer your own question on the internet and doing a little research.

This has nothing to do with right/left politics it's simply the most foolish spending of American money in history. To get you started, it's called over spending and a budget deficit that surpasses anything in history. The govt can't pay for it, so it borrows money. In effect, this turns the US into a debtor nation. Foreign currencies have been "propped up" by the US in the past, but now it's all the other nations that are doing that for us. Without their help the dollar would be almost worthless. The shift to the Euro is being hastened by moronic and brain-dead fiscal policy.

Don't take my word for it; do your own research if you want to understand what's going on and then make your mind up as to whether or not you want these guys managing our money and your children's future.

Jim

BAKlink said:
Jim F. said:

I don’t think that those who understand what’s going on in the
world currency markets are happy with what the Bush administration
has done to the dollar (unless you bought Euros cheap before Bush
ruined things). It's a disgrace and moronic, but it’s something we
Americans brought on ourselves and will have to endure for another
4 years.

As an American, it’s depressing to think that people voted to keep
these policies in place (the last election) but most people don’t
even realize what they’ve done to themselves. Enjoy the weak dollar
if, and while, you can.

Jim

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Jim:

Can you explain to us what the Bush administration has done that
has caused world currency markets to value the Euro higher than the
dollar? Help me understand what's so disgraceful and moronic about
the US buying the world's output.
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Nashua, NH, USA
http://www.pbase.com/baklink

Matthew Field · Feb 22, 2005

BazzaTron said:
Do you have any idea how much Income Tax + Local Government Taxes
we pay?

Yes, I am English

BazzaTron said:
All the same, we can't complain, we elected the idiots who set
these taxes.

Matthew Field said:

and people in Europe always complain about the difference in price
but they never complain about the fact that in general they get
paid more than Americans ;-)

Also the dollar is super weak at the moment so the US prices seem
even cheaper in comparison to the pound or dollar than they usually
do.

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Marty_D · Feb 22, 2005

Seems I remember us Americans having a discussion about English taxes during a certain tea party. I'm glad we solved that issue.

Where I live, in Oregon, we have no sales tax. Last time it came up for a vote, about 10 years ago, we voted it down by a margin of about 90% to 10%. However, we do have our share of income tax and property tax.

BazzaTron said:
...we pay more taxes.

Which state in the US has a 17.5% Sales Tax?

Do you have any idea how much Income Tax + Local Government Taxes
we pay?

All the same, we can't complain, we elected the idiots who set
these taxes.

Matthew Field said:

and people in Europe always complain about the difference in price
but they never complain about the fact that in general they get
paid more than Americans ;-)

Also the dollar is super weak at the moment so the US prices seem
even cheaper in comparison to the pound or dollar than they usually
do.

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dommajella · Feb 22, 2005

VAT and duty are one thing but the major obstacle deliberately put in the way of consumer choice is the manufacturer's attitude to warranty obligations. By removing this element of consumer choice the manufacturer is directly supporting a price-fixing mechanism in differing markets. ISTM it is pretty much a case of smoke and mirrors. My bottom line as a consumer is I want to buy at the lowest price but have my statutory rights as a consumer honoured. You, as a consumer, have the right, nay duty, to ask the question why are my expectations not being met?

If I can buy a camera from America that saves me £50 then I will do so. The ONLY thing stopping me is the manufacturer's lack of warranty support for their own products!

HappySnappy said:
I was just checking out typical prices for the Pentax ist DS prices
with their kit lens:

UK - £599.00
US - $849.00

Thats not far off a straight conversion if you remove our VAT & duty.

and much the same with Nikon

Nikon D70 with 18-70 lens £629.99
US - $1,299.87

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DD2.1 · Feb 22, 2005

....continuing the ongoing price obsession by people whose everything rotates around money.

If you think the price is too high for the value returned, don't buy it! Whining about it on the internet isn't going to make Canon lower the price. If the sales fall below the expected mark, they will lower the price.

singveld · Feb 22, 2005

no it is 999 euro for kit and 899 euro for body only
http://www.koopdigitaal.nl

John van Hulst said:
Although for sure I'm going to buy a Canon EOS 350D, I am very
disappointed by the rather extreme price difference in the USA
versus Europe.

List price (dpreview information)
(body only)
• US: 899 dollar
• Europe: 899 euro
List price
(kit inc. lens)
• US: 999 dollar
• Europe: 1099 euro

Which means that 'the kit' is about 40% more expensive (1 euro =
1,30 $) in Europe than in the USA! Could anybody give any reason
why this in my opinion EXTREME price difference exists? If I buy
one in the USA, and pay VAT in Europe, it still would be a
difference of 20%.

Kind regards, John van Hulst

siscar · Feb 22, 2005

It certainly isn't likely to merit anything more than the fine under the regulations which is a civil offence. However it can be argued that getting someone to bring something into the country in this way is conspiracy to defraud customs & excise which would be a criminal offence.

--
George

mistercoffee · Feb 22, 2005

Look to the European importers for your answers. You can find them down on the coast sun bathing and counting profits.

mistercoffee · Feb 22, 2005

I knew it couldn't take long for the far left to show it's ugly head. Keep your politics to yourself Jimbo.

Jim F. said:
As an American, it’s depressing to think that people voted to keep
these policies in place (the last election) but most people don’t
even realize what they’ve done to themselves. Enjoy the weak dollar
if, and while, you can.

Jim

Jacques Renier said:

So am I, since i plan to buy a 350d online in $, witch is a great
deal for me, i save about 200 euro

John van Hulst said:

Although for sure I'm going to buy a Canon EOS 350D, I am very
disappointed by the rather extreme price difference in the USA
versus Europe.

List price (dpreview information)
(body only)
• US: 899 dollar
• Europe: 899 euro
List price
(kit inc. lens)
• US: 999 dollar
• Europe: 1099 euro

Which means that 'the kit' is about 40% more expensive (1 euro =
1,30 $) in Europe than in the USA! Could anybody give any reason
why this in my opinion EXTREME price difference exists? If I buy
one in the USA, and pay VAT in Europe, it still would be a
difference of 20%.

Kind regards, John van Hulst

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katja · Feb 22, 2005

but electronics are very expensive in the netherlands anyway. Mind you, I sold some electronics stuff in the netherlands I bought in germany many years ago. In germany, I would not have gotten much money for it, here i got more than I originally paid (was already 2nd hand).

Also, i bought the sigma 70300 APO super II in germany for a price incl. p&p that people are selling it over here second hand. So I could just test the lense and if I would not have liked it sell it again for the same price.

I also bought a 1GB MMC card to extend the MP3 capabilities of my mobile phone in Germany, again including p&p about 30 euros cheaper than in the Netherlands.

Though I must admit that the cheapest 300D I found was cheaper in .nl than in .de, weiredly enough. But apart from that I would buy most electronic stuff in the 'east'.

Katja

John van Hulst said:
Although for sure I'm going to buy a Canon EOS 350D, I am very
disappointed by the rather extreme price difference in the USA
versus Europe.

List price (dpreview information)
(body only)
• US: 899 dollar
• Europe: 899 euro
List price
(kit inc. lens)
• US: 999 dollar
• Europe: 1099 euro

Which means that 'the kit' is about 40% more expensive (1 euro =
1,30 $) in Europe than in the USA! Could anybody give any reason
why this in my opinion EXTREME price difference exists? If I buy
one in the USA, and pay VAT in Europe, it still would be a
difference of 20%.

Kind regards, John van Hulst

HappySnappy · Feb 22, 2005

I do agree with you that it's price fixing on a global level and should be banned just like product dumping.

I certainly won't be buying any Canon product from UK, in fact I'm seriously considering switching to a different brand on this point alone.

Unfortunately though the only way to stop this kind of trading would be for all of Europe and UK buyers to boycott Canon products till they adjust their pricing - but ppl are too complacent (and Canon know this).
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dommajella said:
dommajella said:

~ My 300D Gallery... http://www.jlmay.f2s.com/

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Jim F. · Feb 22, 2005

Mr. Coffee,

While I agree this is not the place for a political discussion, I am keeping my politics to myself and if you were wiser you wouldn't make such an ignorant comment.

How do you know if I'm on the left or right? You don't, but you seem to believe that if someone thinks the current administration is profligate that means they're on the left. Better keep your eyes closed and your mind firmly shut or something of value may creep in your head

It actually has nothing to do with politics, Democrats or republicans but it has everything to do with fiscal policy and deficit spending. Judging from your comment, fiscal policy is something you don't understand and I sure don't have any interest in teaching you.

Let's let it go and forget this thread.

mistercoffee said:
Jim F. said:

As an American, it’s depressing to think that people voted to keep
these policies in place (the last election) but most people don’t
even realize what they’ve done to themselves. Enjoy the weak dollar
if, and while, you can.

Jim

Jacques Renier said:

So am I, since i plan to buy a 350d online in $, witch is a great
deal for me, i save about 200 euro

John van Hulst said:

Although for sure I'm going to buy a Canon EOS 350D, I am very
disappointed by the rather extreme price difference in the USA
versus Europe.

List price (dpreview information)
(body only)
• US: 899 dollar
• Europe: 899 euro
List price
(kit inc. lens)
• US: 999 dollar
• Europe: 1099 euro

Which means that 'the kit' is about 40% more expensive (1 euro =
1,30 $) in Europe than in the USA! Could anybody give any reason
why this in my opinion EXTREME price difference exists? If I buy
one in the USA, and pay VAT in Europe, it still would be a
difference of 20%.

Kind regards, John van Hulst

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Kastor · Feb 22, 2005

...at http://www.technikdirekt.de/
Kastor

John van Hulst said:
Although for sure I'm going to buy a Canon EOS 350D, I am very
disappointed by the rather extreme price difference in the USA
versus Europe.

List price (dpreview information)
(body only)
• US: 899 dollar
• Europe: 899 euro
List price
(kit inc. lens)
• US: 999 dollar
• Europe: 1099 euro

Which means that 'the kit' is about 40% more expensive (1 euro =
1,30 $) in Europe than in the USA! Could anybody give any reason
why this in my opinion EXTREME price difference exists? If I buy
one in the USA, and pay VAT in Europe, it still would be a
difference of 20%.

Kind regards, John van Hulst

teem · Feb 22, 2005

EJN said:
LoungeLizard wrote:
we ARE taxed up to the eye-balls

[...]

Member said:
we have to pay such
as this 17.5% Value Added Tax on almost everything

Let me join the complaining competition

VAT here in PL is 22%, while wages are less than half of EU average.
Photo gear is at least 15% more expensive here than in DE, NL, UK etc.
So I am happy with D-Rebel and nice set of lenses from across the pond.
God bless NY with their online shops

Happily NOT funding farmers' subsidies across EU with my camera purchases

Cheers
Tomasz.

Jun2 · Feb 22, 2005

Usually VAT usually are larger than 15%, plus import duty.

US price does not include TAX. If buy in store in NYC, it is 8.65%. Add 15%, It is about 23.6%. It is only slightly more expensive.

The kit lens are different. EU get USM version of kit lens.

Jun

John van Hulst said:
Although for sure I'm going to buy a Canon EOS 350D, I am very
disappointed by the rather extreme price difference in the USA
versus Europe.

List price (dpreview information)
(body only)
• US: 899 dollar
• Europe: 899 euro
List price
(kit inc. lens)
• US: 999 dollar
• Europe: 1099 euro

Which means that 'the kit' is about 40% more expensive (1 euro =
1,30 $) in Europe than in the USA! Could anybody give any reason
why this in my opinion EXTREME price difference exists? If I buy
one in the USA, and pay VAT in Europe, it still would be a
difference of 20%.

Kind regards, John van Hulst

mistercoffee · Feb 23, 2005

UP YOURS JIMBO!!!

mistercoffee · Feb 23, 2005

Jimbo,

I have seen nothing in any of your politically motivated comments that has anything to do with why the 350D cost more Euros.

Jim F. said:
As an American, it’s depressing to think that people voted to keep
these policies in place (the last election) but most people don’t
even realize what they’ve done to themselves. Enjoy the weak dollar
if, and while, you can.

Jim

Jacques Renier said:

So am I, since i plan to buy a 350d online in $, witch is a great
deal for me, i save about 200 euro

John van Hulst said:

Although for sure I'm going to buy a Canon EOS 350D, I am very
disappointed by the rather extreme price difference in the USA
versus Europe.

List price (dpreview information)
(body only)
• US: 899 dollar
• Europe: 899 euro
List price
(kit inc. lens)
• US: 999 dollar
• Europe: 1099 euro

Which means that 'the kit' is about 40% more expensive (1 euro =
1,30 $) in Europe than in the USA! Could anybody give any reason
why this in my opinion EXTREME price difference exists? If I buy
one in the USA, and pay VAT in Europe, it still would be a
difference of 20%.

Kind regards, John van Hulst

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parallaxproblem · Feb 23, 2005

Jun2 said:
Usually VAT usually are larger than 15%, plus import duty.

US price does not include TAX. If buy in store in NYC, it is
8.65%. Add 15%, It is about 23.6%. It is only slightly more
expensive.

The kit lens are different. EU get USM version of kit lens.

Jun

You should apply the Sales tax to the base price in each case

The UK VAT rate is actually 17.5%, so any difference in advertised prices in US & UK greater than this 17.5% is one of the famous UK rip-offs

Alternatively, if you want to compare 'counter prices' between British and New York stores you should subtract 8.65 from 17.5 (= 8.85%): therefore if the British over-the counter price is more than 8.85% (ie NOT 23.6%) greater than the New York over-the-counter price then it is similarly a rip-off

British Sales Tax itself is actually quite progressive in that it is theoretically only applied to services and non-essential items: for example most foodstuffs, books and children's clothes are exempt

parallaxproblem · Feb 23, 2005

parallaxproblem said:
Alternatively, if you want to compare 'counter prices' between
British and New York stores you should subtract 8.65 from 17.5 (=
8.85%): therefore if the British over-the counter price is more
than 8.85% (ie NOT 23.6%) greater than the New York
over-the-counter price then it is similarly a rip-off

Actually the ratio should be 1.175/1.0865 = 8.1%

So the British price over the counter should be no more than 8.1% greater than the New York 'counter price'

Jim F. · Feb 23, 2005

Did you listen to the news this morning? Go ahead, tell everyone on this forum what they're talking about and why the stock market tanking yesterday is some left wing plot.

Share your intellectual and economic insight with all of us if you will, and explain the currency markets and their effect on the economy. Or you could shut up until you know what you're talking about - you might not look so foolish that way......

I'm done with you.....

mistercoffee said:
UP YOURS JIMBO!!!

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