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Remember the good old film days? You actually didn't have to worry much changing your main body so often. I used heavily my first AF Canon EOS100 for almost 10 years. Now 2-3 year old digital SLR is considered as an antique.

Of course I wish there where more Mp, faster AF, better battery life and so on.... But I also believe all this not that important as the photographer.

I had to learn how use my SD9 every day for more than 12 months and now I can say I am finally happy with the results. I must be crazy to change the camera after I finally learned how take good pictures with it. Knowing how to use it to reflect your vision is what it’s all about.
Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills.
What do you think?

Lubomir
http://www.studiolipov.com
 
I concur. It's about your skill, not your camera.
CRavsten
Lubomir said:
Remember the good old film days? You actually didn't have to worry
much changing your main body so often. I used heavily my first AF
Canon EOS100 for almost 10 years. Now 2-3 year old digital SLR is
considered as an antique.
Of course I wish there where more Mp, faster AF, better battery
life and so on.... But I also believe all this not that important
as the photographer.
I had to learn how use my SD9 every day for more than 12 months and
now I can say I am finally happy with the results. I must be crazy
to change the camera after I finally learned how take good pictures
with it. Knowing how to use it to reflect your vision is what it’s
all about.
Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills.
What do you think?

Lubomir
http://www.studiolipov.com
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Lubomir said:
Remember the good old film days? You actually didn't have to worry
much changing your main body so often. I used heavily my first AF
Canon EOS100 for almost 10 years. Now 2-3 year old digital SLR is
considered as an antique.
Of course I wish there where more Mp, faster AF, better battery
life and so on.... But I also believe all this not that important
as the photographer.
I had to learn how use my SD9 every day for more than 12 months and
now I can say I am finally happy with the results. I must be crazy
to change the camera after I finally learned how take good pictures
with it. Knowing how to use it to reflect your vision is what it’s
all about.
Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills.
What do you think?

Lubomir
http://www.studiolipov.com
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Regards

DSG
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DaSonyGuy said:
Lubomir said:
Of course I wish there where more Mp, faster AF, better battery
life and so on.... But I also believe all this not that important
as the photographer.
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Knowing how to use it to reflect your vision is what it’s
DaSonyGuy said:
DaSonyGuy said:
all about.
Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills.
What do you think?

Lubomir
http://www.studiolipov.com
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Hi, I couldn't agree more. I was hoping a new SD would be out so I could pick another SD10 for backup at a lower price. Being electronic it does have a life span.
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Chunsum J Choi said:
Lubomir said:
Knowing how to use it to reflect your vision is what it’s
all about.
Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills.
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Words to live by.
Chunsum J Choi said:
Lubomir
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Chusum,

Excellent point. If I was going after a new body all the time I would not have been able to afford the nice set of lens I now have.
Pete
 
Words of wisdom! That's all I can say.

If a camera takes great shots, and one is happy with it, why in the world would one want to upgrade all the time? It is a waste of money which can rather be spent on good quality lenses.

I still shoot my 30 year old Praktica MTL5, 30 year old Pentax Spotmatic and 20 year old Olympus OM10 - they all still take lovely shots and I would never get rid of them.

The same applies to my SD10.
Lubomir said:
Remember the good old film days? You actually didn't have to worry
much changing your main body so often. I used heavily my first AF
Canon EOS100 for almost 10 years. Now 2-3 year old digital SLR is
considered as an antique.
Of course I wish there where more Mp, faster AF, better battery
life and so on.... But I also believe all this not that important
as the photographer.
I had to learn how use my SD9 every day for more than 12 months and
now I can say I am finally happy with the results. I must be crazy
to change the camera after I finally learned how take good pictures
with it. Knowing how to use it to reflect your vision is what it’s
all about.
Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills.
What do you think?

Lubomir
http://www.studiolipov.com
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Hi Lubimor,

when the SD9-10's appeared on the market, these cameras were at least 3 years their time ahead . (see the work of Dr. Noise the past days).

I am still happy with my SD10, its not a problem to wait another year on the SD11. Yes, I know ,batteries and jpegs , should be nice.

I have made some stunning A3 prints (I'll take these to La Wantzenau), the quality is at least, , if not better than mediumformat prints of the good (?) old analogue era. It does not surprise me that mediumformat (also digital) is dying silent.

It is not only the camera, the results depend also on the woman or man behind the camera!

greetings, Paul
Lubomir said:
Remember the good old film days? You actually didn't have to worry
much changing your main body so often. I used heavily my first AF
Canon EOS100 for almost 10 years. Now 2-3 year old digital SLR is
considered as an antique.
Of course I wish there where more Mp, faster AF, better battery
life and so on.... But I also believe all this not that important
as the photographer.
I had to learn how use my SD9 every day for more than 12 months and
now I can say I am finally happy with the results. I must be crazy
to change the camera after I finally learned how take good pictures
with it. Knowing how to use it to reflect your vision is what it’s
all about.
Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills.
What do you think?

Lubomir
http://www.studiolipov.com
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Really funny, but no more than a day ago, I thought of expressing the same idea by reading the huge amount of postings about the lack of new Sigma models.

If all the people, that are frequently demanding new stuff, would spend the same time for taking pictures than for posting, the result regarding quality of pics would be better than by buying new equipment.

What did photographers like Cartier-Bresson do some decades before ? Did they complain about the lack of better equipment? Did they stop taking pics and weep about the poor quality of their stuff ???

The quality of a pic is not dependend of the quality of your equipment. It´s the eye of the guy behind the lens that matters.

All the best.

Gert
 
The thing that is a bit negative when it comes to Digital photography is that you see the pic in "zoomed in" way. Where every pixel is apparent.

Many people think that just because it doesnt look sharp on the screen, that the picture itself is not sharp but dont stop for a sec to think how it will look like when you print it.
Gert2 said:
What did photographers like Cartier-Bresson do some decades before
? Did they complain about the lack of better equipment? Did they
stop taking pics and weep about the poor quality of their stuff ???
The quality of a pic is not dependend of the quality of your
equipment. It´s the eye of the guy behind the lens that matters.

All the best.

Gert
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Lubomir said:
Remember the good old film days? You actually didn't have to worry
much changing your main body so often. I used heavily my first AF
Canon EOS100 for almost 10 years. Now 2-3 year old digital SLR is
considered as an antique.
Of course I wish there where more Mp, faster AF, better battery
life and so on.... But I also believe all this not that important
as the photographer.
I had to learn how use my SD9 every day for more than 12 months and
now I can say I am finally happy with the results. I must be crazy
to change the camera after I finally learned how take good pictures
with it. Knowing how to use it to reflect your vision is what it’s
all about.
Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills.
What do you think?

Lubomir
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I feel the same ….
Kostas Sarris
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Lubomir said:
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I agree... now where can I find some of that higher megapixel "skill" stuff? ;-)

I've been umm'ing and ahh'ing about upgrading from a SD9 to a SD10 but that's mainly when I need a bit more low light performance... and, for now, that's why I bought a tripod!

I, for one, will wait until the next model is out and then see if it's a big enough upgrade to warrant (a) paying for and (b) relearning for.
 
ThunderLance said:
Gert2 said:
What did photographers like Cartier-Bresson do some decades before
? Did they complain about the lack of better equipment? Did they
stop taking pics and weep about the poor quality of their stuff ???
The quality of a pic is not dependend of the quality of your
equipment. It´s the eye of the guy behind the lens that matters.

All the best.

Gert
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'It doesnt matter that you are sitting on the right track, you're
still going to get hit by train!'
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Lubomir said:
Remember the good old film days? You actually didn't have to worry
much changing your main body so often. I used heavily my first AF
Canon EOS100 for almost 10 years. Now 2-3 year old digital SLR is
considered as an antique.
Of course I wish there where more Mp, faster AF, better battery
life and so on.... But I also believe all this not that important
as the photographer.
I had to learn how use my SD9 every day for more than 12 months and
now I can say I am finally happy with the results. I must be crazy
to change the camera after I finally learned how take good pictures
with it. Knowing how to use it to reflect your vision is what it’s
all about.
Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills.
What do you think?

Lubomir
http://www.studiolipov.com
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I absolutely agree. I learned the basics on my dad's Nikon F which was totally manual. I definitely think that people paid more attention to the actual photograph with film because they weren't distracted by all the technology. I try to work the same way now and if it weren't for all the whining about more mega this and that, I wouldn't think about it at all. I know that my SD 9 will serve me well for years to come from a photographic standpoint, so I can calmly invest in other equipment. When Sigma releases something better than the 9 or 10, I'll be able to approach it as an old friend and welcome it to its new home where good lenses will be ready to serve it :)

Ultimately, I feel that Sigma as a company respects its customers deeply, that it is really working to give us high grade glass and that it wants to put the time and energy into perfecting a new model before it unleashes it on us. Sigma knows many of its customers by name from this forum and others, has met with us, and treats us like people. I like being a part of that.

In just a few years (judging by some archived newgroups that I've glanced through) Sigma has gone from being, at best, the maker of an average 35mm starter camera for students and novices (1990s opinions) to being the maker of a controversial digital camera that keeps the big boys nervous. The better our work here will be, the more the others will have to take us seriously. I, for one, plan on getting as much of my work printed as possible to help out. :D

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Peter Argyropoulos
 
Lubomir,

All that I can add is a resounding, "Yes!" I cannot think of anything more to ask for beyond lower battery consumption, some SSP improvements and perhaps a full frame sensor. I for one definately don't like the thought of yearly obsolescence which seems to be the price of admission for Canon owners.

I've got about 2,000 captures under my belt on 2 SD-10 bodies. I am just beginning to feel as if I am starting to master the camera - and it's not that I'm retarded either. There is a lot of machinery in that small package.

CJ
Lubomir said:
Remember the good old film days? You actually didn't have to worry
much changing your main body so often. I used heavily my first AF
Canon EOS100 for almost 10 years. Now 2-3 year old digital SLR is
considered as an antique.
Of course I wish there where more Mp, faster AF, better battery
life and so on.... But I also believe all this not that important
as the photographer.
I had to learn how use my SD9 every day for more than 12 months and
now I can say I am finally happy with the results. I must be crazy
to change the camera after I finally learned how take good pictures
with it. Knowing how to use it to reflect your vision is what it’s
all about.
Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills.
What do you think?

Lubomir
http://www.studiolipov.com
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To compare a Film Camera with a Digital Camera did not work!
The Film Camera is a more or less mechanical device, the digital an electronic.

I can get better results technical wise, while using a film camera, when using modern films.
No one is using films which are developed 30 years ago!

I can only get better results technical wise with digital cameras when buying a next gen modell.
So I am still waiting for an update.
And maybe I will buy it when it delivers some points I want to see improved!
So all in all I am not glad that there is no new SD!
My 2cents
Thomas

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Hi Thomas,

the key point of THIS discussion is (in my opinion) that people should spend more time for photographing than to complain about missing features of their hardware.

Of course, you´re totally right, that film quality has improved a lot over the decades, but: Did Cartier-Bresson stop photographing and complain about the bad quality of film, that has been available during his period of photographing ???

No, he didn´t and continued taking photographs, people are talking about until today - due to their bad "technical" quality (i´m not talking about the quality of the composition)
Gert
 
Gert2 said:
Hi Thomas,
the key point of THIS discussion is (in my opinion) that people
should spend more time for photographing than to complain about
missing features of their hardware.
Gert
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Most of these posts seem written from the perspective of the current SD9/SD10 owner.

There is also another segment of people, those making the first jump into a quality DSLR.

I posted here last year asking about dealers in the Philly/NYC area (“want to buy sd10 - brick-and-mortar dealer for hands-on?”), and received a lot of very klind and helpful advice. Unfortunately, because of health problems in my family, I haven’t been able to make the trip, and haven’t been able to actually hold an SD10 in my hands for evaluation (I have used a Nikon SLR since the mid-1970s). But I did decide that “soon” I would need to make the jump (because of bumping against the many limitations of compact digital cameras: noise, stupid autofocus, lack of aperture flexibility).

It is really a shame that this fabulous camera isn’t more accessible to potential buyers. At a Best Buy the other day, there were a D70 and a 20D sitting side-by-side. Easy, no-hassle pick-em-up-and-try-em. I wish there also were an SD10 (not that I would make this sort of purchase at Best Buy). But the point is that it is just too darn hard to find one of these gems unless you live or work in NYC (or Long Island)! And there is no way I would buy one without first holding one.

I saw Photokina and now PMA come and go without a glimmer of hope for new SD models on the horizon. The reason I was hoping for a new model was to see an improvement in low-light performance (noise), which is an important issue for me. And I also admit to being troubled by the contrasting “quilt” effect that appears in noisy green or dark areas of some SD photos. But I am sorry to say that I can’t wait any longer. Rather than (as espoused in this thread) wait: get out there and take photos, I ordered a D70 (but not because of having a Nikon outfit already; none of my older lenses are compatible, and I also had reservations about buying a modern Nikon product until I handled the D70; I found the 20D build quality, especially the ‘kit’ lens, lacking compared to the D70.)

Sadly, this situation might have turned out differently if Sigma did better at marketing (from the standpoint of making it accessible) the SD (I might have rationalized being able to live with the high-ISO noise).

I wanted to communicate the things that went into the process of choosing the new camera, and there may be other potential SD buyers that are in my same shoes. The door is still open to an SD in my future, though.

Cheers and thanks again

http://www.pbase.com/rsub8/
 
rsub8 said:
Gert2 said:
Hi Thomas,
the key point of THIS discussion is (in my opinion) that people
should spend more time for photographing than to complain about
missing features of their hardware.
Gert
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Most of these posts seem written from the perspective of the
current SD9/SD10 owner.

There is also another segment of people, those making the first
jump into a quality DSLR.

I posted here last year asking about dealers in the Philly/NYC area
(“want to buy sd10 - brick-and-mortar dealer for hands-on?”), and
received a lot of very klind and helpful advice. Unfortunately,
because of health problems in my family, I haven’t been able to
make the trip, and haven’t been able to actually hold an SD10 in my
hands for evaluation (I have used a Nikon SLR since the mid-1970s).
But I did decide that “soon” I would need to make the jump (because
of bumping against the many limitations of compact digital cameras:
noise, stupid autofocus, lack of aperture flexibility).

It is really a shame that this fabulous camera isn’t more
accessible to potential buyers. At a Best Buy the other day, there
were a D70 and a 20D sitting side-by-side. Easy, no-hassle
pick-em-up-and-try-em. I wish there also were an SD10 (not that I
would make this sort of purchase at Best Buy). But the point is
that it is just too darn hard to find one of these gems unless you
live or work in NYC (or Long Island)! And there is no way I would
buy one without first holding one.
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I think the reason that you did not see SD9/10 on the shelves of most retailers is due to the distribution channel...if you research how a marketing power playing the role in the shelves space in retail, you will know what I mean.
rsub8 said:
I saw Photokina and now PMA come and go without a glimmer of hope
for new SD models on the horizon. The reason I was hoping for a new
model was to see an improvement in low-light performance (noise),
which is an important issue for me. And I also admit to being
troubled by the contrasting “quilt” effect that appears in noisy
green or dark areas of some SD photos. But I am sorry to say that I
can’t wait any longer. Rather than (as espoused in this thread)
wait: get out there and take photos, I ordered a D70 (but not
because of having a Nikon outfit already; none of my older lenses
are compatible, and I also had reservations about buying a modern
Nikon product until I handled the D70; I found the 20D build
quality, especially the ‘kit’ lens, lacking compared to the D70.)

Sadly, this situation might have turned out differently if Sigma
did better at marketing (from the standpoint of making it
accessible) the SD (I might have rationalized being able to live
with the high-ISO noise).
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See my answer above.
rsub8 said:
I wanted to communicate the things that went into the process of
choosing the new camera, and there may be other potential SD buyers
that are in my same shoes. The door is still open to an SD in my
future, though.
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we love to see you join us in this forum too...:)
rsub8 said:
Cheers and thanks again

http://www.pbase.com/rsub8/
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Nothing forces you to buy a new camera if one is released. You can still "Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills." even if a new is released.

The ting is, if a new sigma model is released, it might take users from canon and other brans and increase the numbers of sigma users and increase the market for sigma accessaries, lenses and stuff.

You guys are only fooling your self when you say you are glad that there is no new sigma camera. Compare the SD9/10 with the Amiga history. The Amiga computers was superior when released but did not develop at the same speed as the PC´s so they lost the race. I think sigma will meet the same destiny if the don't release a new camera soon.

B.t.w. Do you think the Canon EOS-1Ds users where disappointed when the Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II was released?
Lubomir said:
Remember the good old film days? You actually didn't have to worry
much changing your main body so often. I used heavily my first AF
Canon EOS100 for almost 10 years. Now 2-3 year old digital SLR is
considered as an antique.
Of course I wish there where more Mp, faster AF, better battery
life and so on.... But I also believe all this not that important
as the photographer.
I had to learn how use my SD9 every day for more than 12 months and
now I can say I am finally happy with the results. I must be crazy
to change the camera after I finally learned how take good pictures
with it. Knowing how to use it to reflect your vision is what it’s
all about.
Spend your money on better lenses and improve your skills.
What do you think?

Lubomir
http://www.studiolipov.com
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