The Nikon Folks Sure Are Disappointed...

Nikon obviously wont be gone in 19 years. Their name is to valuable they would just be bought by a larger company. Nikon is a small company compared to Canon so Iam not sure how you thought that in the 80’s Canon might have gone under. But Nikon is a much smaller company and might very well be bought by a large company like Sony. Especially if they keep making blunders like this D2Hs thing.
Don't you think the same was said about Canon in the mid 1980s?
Come on. In the grand scheme of things, this is all small stuff.
Both companies will survive and thrive as the leading producers of
digital equipment for a long time to come.

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Happy Snappin'!

Ron
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Don't you think the same was said about Canon in the mid 1980s?
Come on. In the grand scheme of things, this is all small stuff.
Both companies will survive and thrive as the leading producers of
digital equipment for a long time to come.
1.) The Nikon F mount may be unchanged... But, you need the equivalent of an encyclopedia to sort out which lens actually does what with which camera body on which day. Almost to the point of unusable at all.

With Canon, everything does everything with everything. Groovy today. Visionary for 1987.

2.) And here's the killer: Canon makes their own chips. For better or worse this is what's really killing Nikon. (That and the fact that Nikon is just too plain old arrogant to realize that they still can't give people LESS and expect them to say "Thank you."

(You have to pay EXTRA for the software to convert from raw? You have to be kidding...)

JM2CW

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KTanaka wrote:
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I truly feel badly for Nikon folks who have made significant
investments in lenses and who now feel as though they've been
abandoned by Nikon.
Hey, don't feel sorry for us..... Nikon equipment is easy to sell and most of us are now shooting with Canon.
 
Don't you think the same was said about Canon in the mid 1980s?
Come on. In the grand scheme of things, this is all small stuff.
Both companies will survive and thrive as the leading producers of
digital equipment for a long time to come.
1.) The Nikon F mount may be unchanged... But, you need the
equivalent of an encyclopedia to sort out which lens actually does
what with which camera body on which day. Almost to the point of
unusable at all.

With Canon, everything does everything with everything. Groovy
today. Visionary for 1987.
Well, put those EF-S mount lenses on your 1D series camera ;-)

Rumpis :o)
 
2.) And here's the killer: Canon makes their own chips. For better
or worse this is what's really killing Nikon. (That and the fact
that Nikon is just too plain old arrogant to realize that they
still can't give people LESS and expect them to say "Thank you."
While I have no inside knowledge, my speculation is that Nikon knows this is an advantage which is why it developed the LBCAST sensor. The problem is that the LBCAST sensor technology has not matured in the way that Nikon wanted or needed which I think (again this is what I think is going on but who am I anyway?) is why we are seeing a slower product cycles and jointly developed sensors with Sony like the one in the D2X. Nothing wrong with that either as long as it is good. Now weather LBCAST will ever be all that Nikon wanted it to be is a question that cannot be answered yet. Clearly Canon is getting excellent performance from its own in house CMOS sensors which has been a big help to its more rapid product cycles.

You last commet in the paragraph above is interesting. You make it sound like Nikon is withholding something from its customers intentionally. Do you really think that if Nikon had an 8mp sensor for the D2Hs that it would hold it back? That's just silly. Obviously, it doesn't have it yet, so it did what it could on two fronts.

1. Built the D2X with a high speed mode at 6.9 mp, but sacrificed some of the deep buffering

2. Made those improvements it could to the D2Hs.

If you shoot Nikon you now have a choice. If 4mp is enough and the improvments in the D2Hs are worth the extra money to you (only time will answer that question based on performance and image quality), then that is the way to go. Need more mp and you can do with a smaller buffer, the D2X is the way to go. Now this of course all assumes that the D2X is the camera it has been advertised to be. I would certainly agree that if it is a dud, Nikon has a big problem on its hands. Remember, in order to get over 8mp with Canon you need to spend $8,000 on a D1s II. That is $3,000 more than the D2X for 4 additional mp. Is that worth the money, only the individual user can decide.

Now does, Nikon need to fire its entire marketing department, you bet it does. Is that corporate arrogance? I suppose it could be, but my understanding is that, based upon its limited production capabilities, Nikon is currently selling all the camera's it can possibly make so it must be doing something right.
(You have to pay EXTRA for the software to convert from raw? You
have to be kidding...)
No you don't. Both Nikon View and Picture Project (the latter of which is admittedly not very good, but View is a nice simple completely useable free software package) contain basic RAW converters and editors. If you want advanced functions, then you need to buy Capture.

BTW Ed, I enjoyed looking at your website. You do very nice work.

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Just my nickels worth.
Happy Snappin'!

Ron
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Don't you think the same was said about Canon in the mid 1980s?
Come on. In the grand scheme of things, this is all small stuff.
Both companies will survive and thrive as the leading producers of
digital equipment for a long time to come.
1.) The Nikon F mount may be unchanged... But, you need the
equivalent of an encyclopedia to sort out which lens actually does
what with which camera body on which day. Almost to the point of
unusable at all.

With Canon, everything does everything with everything. Groovy
today. Visionary for 1987.
On top of that, because Canon decided to make the EOS mount so generously large, it will also accept lenses designed for Nikon F, Leica R, Leica Visoflex, Zeiss/Contax/Yashica (RTS), Pentax 42mm Screw Mount, and Olympus OM systems, when you use the appropiate adapters. So you have a very wide array of options with Canon EOS.
 

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