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Seagate 5GB CF MD
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Guillaume paris2
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robgalbraith.com CF database says this card didn't survive a 2 inches fall on some surface. Interesting... I know why I prefer solid state cards! my cards often fall from the desktop.
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I had one (eBay purchase) and it totally crashed in my 20D. It might have simply been my specific faulty sample, but I won't be getting another Seagate 5GB for my 20D. I have been using the Hitachi 4GB MD and it is fantastic, no kidding. YMMV, best wishes...
Zoom Creep
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If that's true - it's terrible. My 4Gb Hitachi MD survived a fall onto concrete under a car that broke the camera. I was sure (from what I'd heard) that the MD would have been damaged, but I have had not problem at all with it since. The accident happened last June and It's still going strong.
Much tougher than some people say.
Thinking about it, I am not surprised, this MD came from a MuVo2 MP3 player and MP3 players have to take many many shocks without failure.
I don't believe Hitachi or Seagate could sell their MD for use in portable MP3 players if they were not quite robust. My experience backs this up.
Interesting if RG had a problem though.
Regards,
Zoom Creep
Much tougher than some people say.
Thinking about it, I am not surprised, this MD came from a MuVo2 MP3 player and MP3 players have to take many many shocks without failure.
I don't believe Hitachi or Seagate could sell their MD for use in portable MP3 players if they were not quite robust. My experience backs this up.
Interesting if RG had a problem though.
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Zoom Creep
slowride
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I purchased a 5 gig USB QuickiDrive from Office Max for $144. Inside was a 5 gig Seagate Micro Drive. Popped it into the 10D and it works just fine. I prefer to not shoot with anything larger than a gig but this will be perfect for vacations.
Charlamagne
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Hi,
I have the seagate, I "gently" disected it from a RIO carbon MP3 player. I have had it in my 20d since I have got it (I bought it when it came out) and I have dropped it numerous times, I found my kids playing with it in ways that would scare anyone (hockey on the tile floor anyone??) and I even once forgot it in the jump drive and the dog got a hold of it and started to "nibble" on it (I almost killed him....LOL) So all in all I am very pleased with the toughness of this card, but I am thinking maybe it is a different design than the one for retail since it was built to be put in an MP3 player which would obviously be shook around and used for jogging, etc...
But I never lost one photo and I really don't think I will have any problems, I have only had one solid state card (Lexar 512MB 40x), which I love, but I always used my MD's with no problems.
Plus the 5GB is great because I shoot RAW + Jpeg now.
Charles
I have the seagate, I "gently" disected it from a RIO carbon MP3 player. I have had it in my 20d since I have got it (I bought it when it came out) and I have dropped it numerous times, I found my kids playing with it in ways that would scare anyone (hockey on the tile floor anyone??) and I even once forgot it in the jump drive and the dog got a hold of it and started to "nibble" on it (I almost killed him....LOL) So all in all I am very pleased with the toughness of this card, but I am thinking maybe it is a different design than the one for retail since it was built to be put in an MP3 player which would obviously be shook around and used for jogging, etc...
But I never lost one photo and I really don't think I will have any problems, I have only had one solid state card (Lexar 512MB 40x), which I love, but I always used my MD's with no problems.
Plus the 5GB is great because I shoot RAW + Jpeg now.
Charles
If it has worked for you, then I won't hold it against Seagate in general; must have been simply a bad apple I had. Glad it is working well for you Charles...
Guillaume paris2
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maybe there's a seagate inside? I sure hope not, or maybe the player offers enough protection (I doubt it) for the super-fragile drive.
still no MD for me. Even in an mp3 player.
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still no MD for me. Even in an mp3 player.
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Why are people fascinated with microdrives when 1gig and 2gig CF cards are so cheap?
Microdrives are miniature hard drives. You drop it, bang it into something, or even just lightly twist it, and POOF. You've got junk.
If you plan on parking your camera on a tripod in a studio and NEVER moving it, a Microdrive might make sense. But it's just too risky. There's another factor in microdrives that's rarely mentioned. Latency. You have to wait for the drive to spin. Solid state cards aren't limited by it.
Buy four 1gig CF cards, 40x or faster with Write Acceleration. That's all your camera needs. And your card reader will hardly know the difference between 9meg a second and 6meg a second. (That's 166 seconds to download a 40x card vs. 111 seconds to download an 80x card on a USB2 or firewire card reader.)
Good luck.
' We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. '
Microdrives are miniature hard drives. You drop it, bang it into something, or even just lightly twist it, and POOF. You've got junk.
If you plan on parking your camera on a tripod in a studio and NEVER moving it, a Microdrive might make sense. But it's just too risky. There's another factor in microdrives that's rarely mentioned. Latency. You have to wait for the drive to spin. Solid state cards aren't limited by it.
Buy four 1gig CF cards, 40x or faster with Write Acceleration. That's all your camera needs. And your card reader will hardly know the difference between 9meg a second and 6meg a second. (That's 166 seconds to download a 40x card vs. 111 seconds to download an 80x card on a USB2 or firewire card reader.)
Good luck.
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Alvin Nunley
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Would you say I did something wrong with my 4gig MD? It stopped working one day here at home for no reason what so ever. Never droped, always placed in the camera with care and into the reader with care. Never drop, never banged.
I'm happy to hear that you're not having problems, but I have only my experince to go by.
In any case, I think the solid state card is safer and why put all your eggs in one basket. For me, from now on, 1gig CF Lexar 80X. And they are faster. By quite a bid.
Just some thoughts.
I think people like them bc they still are best bang for buck. for e.g., i got mine a while back for $170. that's 4gb for $170, so around $42/gb. it might be now that CF cards are catching up, but at least when i got mine, it wasnt close. we'll see how the market goes this 2005 year and what comes out. but i have used this hitachi 4gb MD for a long time with NO problems...just cant argue with myself over that.
I've been using mine since they came out and I've never had a single problem.
I think mine was about $180 and 4GB solid state cards still go for around $300 I think. MDs are still a great bang for the buck, especially for those of us that are amatuers and won't be crushed my a card failure. Yes, solid state is better, but I'll happily use my MD until it crashes and then buy a few $30 2GB solid state cards.
I think mine was about $180 and 4GB solid state cards still go for around $300 I think. MDs are still a great bang for the buck, especially for those of us that are amatuers and won't be crushed my a card failure. Yes, solid state is better, but I'll happily use my MD until it crashes and then buy a few $30 2GB solid state cards.
Mel Lammers
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It may be higher for electronic-mechanical items like a MDD. Since the posters with failures are those who typically post, it is likely that there are lots who have no problems. They are mum.
For the record: I keep my 2 GB MDD in the camera and connect a USB2 cable. This is capable of 1.9 MB (mega bytes, not megabits like the cards are rated) and I figure the card is protected by the camera.
What I worry (not all that much, but some) about is bending the pins in the camera CF slot. I think it is "back to Canon" if those get bent through careless CF card insertion. There have been almost as many posts about that as MDD failure (per my memory, no statistical analysis conducted, LOL)
YMMV
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For the record: I keep my 2 GB MDD in the camera and connect a USB2 cable. This is capable of 1.9 MB (mega bytes, not megabits like the cards are rated) and I figure the card is protected by the camera.
What I worry (not all that much, but some) about is bending the pins in the camera CF slot. I think it is "back to Canon" if those get bent through careless CF card insertion. There have been almost as many posts about that as MDD failure (per my memory, no statistical analysis conducted, LOL)
YMMV
Mel
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Alvin Nunley
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My 1gig Lexar, in my 10D, holds 150 RAW pictures at a little over 6megabytes each. That's over 900,000,000 million bytes, "Plus". A byte consists of 8 bits. (two to the 8th = 256) If my card only stored 1,000,000,000 bits, that would be 125 million bytes or a little over 20 pictures.
Maybe a little reserch on what a bit and a byte is is in order.
Knowing what the failure rate is does nothing for my pocket book being out $300.00 .
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Qwntm
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The MD's that they are selling for photo purposes have been beefed up for better shock resistance than the one RG dropped.
The ones built into MP3 players are not the same. Forgot where i read that, but if you search around you will find it.
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The ones built into MP3 players are not the same. Forgot where i read that, but if you search around you will find it.
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I remember seeing a durability rating applied to CF cards; especially those that are sold to DOD, which are also rated for far greater life, but not for microdrives, and especially not for the Hitachis. I recall seeing somewhere that the 4 Gb. I bought is the same as is sold to the medical field for use in MRI scanners and stuff like that.
I also recall that the Seagate 5 Gb. was released for sale a few months ago, with a very terrible failure rate. With all of that in mind, I trust my Hitachi 4 Gb. MD to retain the 1,000 or so RAW images that it can record from my 20D. Of course, I would expect the MD to break if I were to drop it. That's a personal discipline thing. One simply DOES NOT drop delicate instruments, like the MD, the camera, the lenses, etc... If you are the sort who falls down alot, steer clear of such things......
I also recall that the Seagate 5 Gb. was released for sale a few months ago, with a very terrible failure rate. With all of that in mind, I trust my Hitachi 4 Gb. MD to retain the 1,000 or so RAW images that it can record from my 20D. Of course, I would expect the MD to break if I were to drop it. That's a personal discipline thing. One simply DOES NOT drop delicate instruments, like the MD, the camera, the lenses, etc... If you are the sort who falls down alot, steer clear of such things......
George45
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Seagate 5 Gb -slow ,works great good for vacations ( might sell it)
Hitachi 4 Gb- Fast(to me) works even better wish I had 2 of them
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Hitachi 4 Gb- Fast(to me) works even better wish I had 2 of them
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euravia
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I think he was talking about data transfert, not capacity !
You should read twice before overreacting like this
You should read twice before overreacting like this
Mel Lammers
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clear I expect. Alvin, I do know the difference between a byte and bit (having been in the computer biz since 1960). LOL
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