tried D7!

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I had a chance to try D7 today in Japan.
it's not so impressive> > very plasticky like a piece of chep toy
a bit disappointed..
 
I had a chance to try D7 today in Japan.
it's not so impressive> > very plasticky like a piece of chep toy
a bit disappointed..
Hi greenbulb,

With all the good threads on the D7, I am amazed that 11 hours
has passed with no one responding to your first hand account of
the D7. If it takes a little plastic to get me a better than 990 or D1
for $1,400 US, that is all right with me. You make it sound like a
plastic water gun.
Can you elaborate on you D7 encounter? I am interested, very interested.

Thank you,
 
I had a chance to try D7 today in Japan.
it's not so impressive> > very plasticky like a piece of chep toy
a bit disappointed..
I felt the same way when I tried the E-10 at MacWorld earlier this year. In fact, even the Contax 645 felt similar. The Contax is a pretty good camera though despite its feel.

I think I am a little spoiled by the feel of an F5 with top rated lenses.

Actually, I am expecting the D7 to feel like plastic because, after all, it is plastic over titanium.

The one thing I am looking forward to is the ability to mount the D7 on a small table top tripod without it falling over (which I can't do with the F5 and an 80-200 lens). Bring on the plastic!

Kent
San Francisco
 
Actually, I am expecting the D7 to feel like plastic because, after
all, it is plastic over titanium.
Correction: Titanium is used for the new Mac G4. Magnesium alloy is used for the frame of the D7.

Kent
 
My former camera was plastic. It was light, easy to hold,
and I took 5000 images with it. When it broke, I returned
it, and the manager commented on the fact that it had
obviously been taken care of. I take all of my shots out
in nature for the most part, and have access to a 2000 acre
farm where a lot of them were taken. There is nothing
wrong with plastic unless you plan on throwing the camera
at concrete. Then the only difference is whether it bends
or cracks. Well now we have heard it is ugly, and it is plastic
feeling. Wonder what is next?
Actually, I am expecting the D7 to feel like plastic because, after
all, it is plastic over titanium.
Correction: Titanium is used for the new Mac G4. Magnesium alloy
is used for the frame of the D7.

Kent
 
I didn't review it. It was just my opinion. I tried it at camera shop so I didn't play with it that long.And I'm NOT convincing that D7 is a bad digital camera. You guys may like it but sorry I do not. Anyway,the sample printed image was quite sharp.
Compared to Fuji 6900z, I FELT like D7 AF is somehow slower.
 
Well, it can't come as much of a surprise. Phil wrote in his preview:

"My first impression when I picked it up was that the plastic hand grip's flat front face looses some comfort / stability which would have been there had it been round moulded (and rubber coated)"

and a little later:

"The main body material is plastic, although the camera has a magnesium alloy sub-frame and so feels stiff, there's no flex or creaks. Having said that I wasn't really happy with the quality of the controls, most buttons feel plastic with some sideways play (this could have been a pre-production sample problem)."

However with the magnesium alloy sub-frame, the plastic-like feel is probably of no concern when it comes to stability, longeveity, or robustness of the camera.

Maxven
I had a chance to try D7 today in Japan.
it's not so impressive> > very plasticky like a piece of chep toy
a bit disappointed..
 
I agree with Phil that Minolta should have put a better hand grip on the DiMAGE 7 -- a substantial piece of moulded rubber! Although I have not held the camera the grip does look too angular and small. If I buy a DiMAGE 7 one of the first things I'll do is investigate how I can affix a piece of rubber to the hand grip (possibly a piece from the covering of a cricket bat/baseball bat handle, which can be purchased separately).

I have been told by Minolta that problems with wobbly buttons etc are not-unusual in pre-production prototypes, but that these would all be fixed in the production units. We'll see!!

The question of what is and what is not metal on the DiMAGE 7 is most perplexing. The Minolta website ( http://www.dimage.minolta.com/ ) states of the DiMAGE 7: "Magnesium alloy exterior". Note its says 'exterior', not 'interior'! When I raised this with Minolta I was told:

"... the exterior of the camera is magnesium alloy. ... From the bottom of the flash where the Minolta badge is around all faces of the camera, except the lens, grip and dials is metal."

So, Phil's original statement that "The main body material is plastic" does NOT appear to be correct. It seems to me that this magnesium alloy used by camera manufacturers has the look and feel of plastic, even though it is, in fact, metal.

Even the staff in many camera shops seem unaware of the difference between magnesium alloy and plastic -- last year when I started looking at digital cameras I read in many places that the Nikon 950 and 990 had metal bodies (magnesium alloy) so when I first handled one in a shop I was expecting the camera to be heavy and have a nice metally solid feel to it, but it didn't. To me the Nikon felt cheap and plasticy -- I was really disappointed. I then held the body of the camera to my lips to see if it induced that feeling of coldness so indicative of metal, but no it did not, it felt like plastic. I said to the member of staff in the shop that I thought the Nikon had a metal body and he replied "No -- no digital cameras are made with metal bodies as it is too heavy and expensive."

I suspect that, in terms of build quality and feeling plasticy, the DiMAGE 7 will be no better or no worse than any of the other so-called prosumer digicams on the market -- but it does appear to have both a metal chassis and a predominately metal exterior, so it should be fairly robust. (The Olympus E-10 appears to be the cheapest genuinely solid digicam available.)

Terry.
"My first impression when I picked it up was that the plastic hand
grip's flat front face looses some comfort / stability which would
have been there had it been round moulded (and rubber coated)"

and a little later:

"The main body material is plastic, although the camera has a
magnesium alloy sub-frame and so feels stiff, there's no flex or
creaks. Having said that I wasn't really happy with the quality of
the controls, most buttons feel plastic with some sideways play
(this could have been a pre-production sample problem)."

However with the magnesium alloy sub-frame, the plastic-like feel
is probably of no concern when it comes to stability, longeveity,
or robustness of the camera.

Maxven
I had a chance to try D7 today in Japan.
it's not so impressive> > very plasticky like a piece of chep toy
a bit disappointed..
 
I agree with Phil that Minolta should have put a better hand grip
on the DiMAGE 7 -- a substantial piece of moulded rubber! Although
I have not held the camera the grip does look too angular and
small. If I buy a DiMAGE 7 one of the first things I'll do is
investigate how I can affix a piece of rubber to the hand grip
(possibly a piece from the covering of a cricket bat/baseball bat
handle, which can be purchased separately).
Please report on your success on rubberizing the grip yourself. I'm sure that LOTS of camera owners (not just D7 owners) would be interested in rubberizing their grips too.

JCDoss
 
Haven't had the chance to touch the D7, but --

I have owned a NeXT Cube and a NeXT Station, both of which had magnesium alloy frames. Although I wouldn't say that the feel of either case was like plastic (certainly much stiffer) it certainly didn't have the cold feel of steel either.
mf

Terry Sessford wrote:
.....
The question of what is and what is not metal on the DiMAGE 7 is
most perplexing. The Minolta website
( http://www.dimage.minolta.com/ ) states of the DiMAGE 7: "Magnesium
alloy exterior". Note its says 'exterior', not 'interior'! When I
raised this with Minolta I was told:
"... the exterior of the camera is magnesium alloy. ... From the
bottom of the flash where the Minolta badge is around all faces of
the camera, except the lens, grip and dials is metal."

So, Phil's original statement that "The main body material is
plastic" does NOT appear to be correct. It seems to me that this
magnesium alloy used by camera manufacturers has the look and feel
of plastic, even though it is, in fact, metal.

Even the staff in many camera shops seem unaware of the difference
between magnesium alloy and plastic -- last year when I started
looking at digital cameras I read in many places that the Nikon 950
and 990 had metal bodies (magnesium alloy) so when I first handled
one in a shop I was expecting the camera to be heavy and have a
nice metally solid feel to it, but it didn't. To me the Nikon felt
cheap and plasticy -- I was really disappointed. I then held the
body of the camera to my lips to see if it induced that feeling of
coldness so indicative of metal, but no it did not, it felt like
plastic. I said to the member of staff in the shop that I thought
the Nikon had a metal body and he replied "No -- no digital cameras
are made with metal bodies as it is too heavy and expensive."

I suspect that, in terms of build quality and feeling plasticy,
the DiMAGE 7 will be no better or no worse than any of the other
so-called prosumer digicams on the market -- but it does appear to
have both a metal chassis and a predominately metal exterior, so it
should be fairly robust. (The Olympus E-10 appears to be the
cheapest genuinely solid digicam available.)

Terry.
.....
 
Hi Terry.
I agree with Phil that Minolta should have put a better hand grip
on the DiMAGE 7 -- a substantial piece of moulded rubber! Although
I have not held the camera the grip does look too angular and
small. If I buy a DiMAGE 7 one of the first things I'll do is
investigate how I can affix a piece of rubber to the hand grip
(possibly a piece from the covering of a cricket bat/baseball bat
handle, which can be purchased separately).

I have been told by Minolta that problems with wobbly buttons etc
are not-unusual in pre-production prototypes, but that these would
all be fixed in the production units. We'll see!!

The question of what is and what is not metal on the DiMAGE 7 is
most perplexing. The Minolta website
( http://www.dimage.minolta.com/ ) states of the DiMAGE 7: "Magnesium
alloy exterior". Note its says 'exterior', not 'interior'! When I
raised this with Minolta I was told:
"... the exterior of the camera is magnesium alloy. ... From the
bottom of the flash where the Minolta badge is around all faces of
the camera, except the lens, grip and dials is metal."

So, Phil's original statement that "The main body material is
plastic" does NOT appear to be correct. It seems to me that this
magnesium alloy used by camera manufacturers has the look and feel
of plastic, even though it is, in fact, metal.
Note, that Phil doesn't state that any of the exterior is made of plastic. He simply states, that the interior body is based mainly on plastic. NOT the exterior, which is made of magnesium alloy. The official Minolta site supports this by only promoting the camera's exterior when talking about magnesium alloy.

Maxven
Even the staff in many camera shops seem unaware of the difference
between magnesium alloy and plastic -- last year when I started
looking at digital cameras I read in many places that the Nikon 950
and 990 had metal bodies (magnesium alloy) so when I first handled
one in a shop I was expecting the camera to be heavy and have a
nice metally solid feel to it, but it didn't. To me the Nikon felt
cheap and plasticy -- I was really disappointed. I then held the
body of the camera to my lips to see if it induced that feeling of
coldness so indicative of metal, but no it did not, it felt like
plastic. I said to the member of staff in the shop that I thought
the Nikon had a metal body and he replied "No -- no digital cameras
are made with metal bodies as it is too heavy and expensive."

I suspect that, in terms of build quality and feeling plasticy,
the DiMAGE 7 will be no better or no worse than any of the other
so-called prosumer digicams on the market -- but it does appear to
have both a metal chassis and a predominately metal exterior, so it
should be fairly robust. (The Olympus E-10 appears to be the
cheapest genuinely solid digicam available.)

Terry.
"My first impression when I picked it up was that the plastic hand
grip's flat front face looses some comfort / stability which would
have been there had it been round moulded (and rubber coated)"

and a little later:

"The main body material is plastic, although the camera has a
magnesium alloy sub-frame and so feels stiff, there's no flex or
creaks. Having said that I wasn't really happy with the quality of
the controls, most buttons feel plastic with some sideways play
(this could have been a pre-production sample problem)."

However with the magnesium alloy sub-frame, the plastic-like feel
is probably of no concern when it comes to stability, longeveity,
or robustness of the camera.

Maxven
I had a chance to try D7 today in Japan.
it's not so impressive> > very plasticky like a piece of chep toy
a bit disappointed..
 
Note, that Phil doesn't state that any of the exterior is made of
plastic. He simply states, that the interior body is based mainly
on plastic. NOT the exterior, which is made of magnesium alloy. The
official Minolta site supports this by only promoting the camera's
exterior when talking about magnesium alloy.
But surely there are no interior structural elements -- inside the exterior shell (chassis) , which is made of metal, will be almost entirely electronic bits and pieces.

This is shown on the Minolta website (goto http://www.dimage.minolta.com and then click on the "Magnesium alloy exterior" link), where the metal chassis of the camera is illustrated.
 
I don't have anything particularly clever in mind. Sports shops sell rubber grips for cricket bats/baseball bats for about £1 ($1 ??) each, which are simply tubes of rubber that stretch over the handle of a bat, and they come in a selection of colours, including black. The curvature of the rubber tube is about the same as that of the handgrip on the Minolta, so I planned to simply cut a section from the rubber grip and stick it to the camera handgrip using good quality double-sided sellotape or similar. (I did a similar thing with the long lens barrel on my Olympus C2100 -- it improves grip when handling and gives added protection to the camera.)

Terry.
I agree with Phil that Minolta should have put a better hand grip
on the DiMAGE 7 -- a substantial piece of moulded rubber! Although
I have not held the camera the grip does look too angular and
small. If I buy a DiMAGE 7 one of the first things I'll do is
investigate how I can affix a piece of rubber to the hand grip
(possibly a piece from the covering of a cricket bat/baseball bat
handle, which can be purchased separately).
Please report on your success on rubberizing the grip yourself.
I'm sure that LOTS of camera owners (not just D7 owners) would be
interested in rubberizing their grips too.

JCDoss
 
As I read it, the INTERNAL chassis of the D5/D7 is made of magnesium alloy, and the exterior "shell" is made of plastic ... just my thoguhts, but I thought this is what was meant ... as well as seeing the pictures on this site of the smallish internal mag-alloy chassis ...

Kind regards,

Martin
Note, that Phil doesn't state that any of the exterior is made of
plastic. He simply states, that the interior body is based mainly
on plastic. NOT the exterior, which is made of magnesium alloy. The
official Minolta site supports this by only promoting the camera's
exterior when talking about magnesium alloy.
But surely there are no interior structural elements -- inside the
exterior shell (chassis) , which is made of metal, will be almost
entirely electronic bits and pieces.

This is shown on the Minolta website (goto
http://www.dimage.minolta.com and then click on the "Magnesium
alloy exterior" link), where the metal chassis of the camera is
illustrated.
 
well, I don't think it's mag-alloy button. Yesterday I got back to the shop and tried it agian> > still feel like plastic. Even 6900 from fuji and sony s75 are better.
Kind regards,

Martin
Note, that Phil doesn't state that any of the exterior is made of
plastic. He simply states, that the interior body is based mainly
on plastic. NOT the exterior, which is made of magnesium alloy. The
official Minolta site supports this by only promoting the camera's
exterior when talking about magnesium alloy.
But surely there are no interior structural elements -- inside the
exterior shell (chassis) , which is made of metal, will be almost
entirely electronic bits and pieces.

This is shown on the Minolta website (goto
http://www.dimage.minolta.com and then click on the "Magnesium
alloy exterior" link), where the metal chassis of the camera is
illustrated.
 
well, I don't think it's mag-alloy button. Yesterday I got back to
the shop and tried it agian> > still feel like plastic. Even 6900
from fuji and sony s75 are better.
Which one took the best picure, 6900, s75, d7?
Randy
Kind regards,

Martin
Note, that Phil doesn't state that any of the exterior is made of
plastic. He simply states, that the interior body is based mainly
on plastic. NOT the exterior, which is made of magnesium alloy. The
official Minolta site supports this by only promoting the camera's
exterior when talking about magnesium alloy.
But surely there are no interior structural elements -- inside the
exterior shell (chassis) , which is made of metal, will be almost
entirely electronic bits and pieces.

This is shown on the Minolta website (goto
http://www.dimage.minolta.com and then click on the "Magnesium
alloy exterior" link), where the metal chassis of the camera is
illustrated.
 
Hey greenblub,

They m,ust be getting a little tired of you going into the store, pawing the D7 and then exiting, muttering, "Rubbish. Plastic. Rubbish. Plastic." give it a rest, eh!
Dave Roberts
well, I don't think it's mag-alloy button. Yesterday I got back to
the shop and tried it agian> > still feel like plastic. Even 6900
from fuji and sony s75 are better.
 
The printed sample from D7 was quite sharp but the shop said 6900Z was better( in overall-price, quality, speed and so on). The price for D7 here is 129,000yen while 6900Z is only 99,000yen. Perhaps this is the reason why the shop said 6900z was better than D7. I don't know which can take the best picture among D7,6900 and s75 but I'm quite sure that both D7 and 6900z do better than S75 does. Though I'm using S75 and I'm happy with what I get from it.

Well, I'm not going to say something bad about D7 here cuz I know that many guys here have high expectation about D7. So... just try it and judge it by yourself.

I'm the one who had waited for D7 too but a little bit disappointed. So I'm not going to sell my S75 for D7 for sure. All is just my opinion > > try first and tell me what u guys ,who have high expectation about D7, think.
sorry if I hurted you guys!
peace
greenbulb
 

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