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Can you send me a copy...;-) of you Velvia action or sets?
Thanks,
Snook
I like yours... the others are to orangy for me...
SG2 said:
if anyone has some of the other velvia plugins out there (aka
Fred's, etc) can make one examples from theirs and we can compare
the results ;)
Snook said:
Alex-A said:
This is the first time that I understand the difference. No profile
gives you a lot more yellow in this pic. The hisat should be nicer
all around, but for this particular portrait, I would choose the
losat and work from there.

Really,

Thank you.
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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hmm.. there's a slight problem... it's not done in PhotoShop :)

(hence the posible 32bit/chan conversions, which is still not clear if it makes a difference)

I did try to explain in another post how the plugin works, but that was a "beta" version and there are changes. But I'm not sure if it could be useful for you since it is not designed for PS. =/

I'll probably try to make an action for PS ...

but if you don't feel like waiting, =) the easiest way I imagine would be to create 2 layers, and with control of the RYGCBM values.
bump up the Green and Blue
and bump up less Yellow and Cyan
(play around with the values and transparency level of the saturated layer)
for 1Ds you should tint -1, 10%

hmm.. hope this helps. :)
Snook said:
SG2 said:
if anyone has some of the other velvia plugins out there (aka
Fred's, etc) can make one examples from theirs and we can compare
the results ;)
Snook said:
Alex-A said:
This is the first time that I understand the difference. No profile
gives you a lot more yellow in this pic. The hisat should be nicer
all around, but for this particular portrait, I would choose the
losat and work from there.

Really,

Thank you.
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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SG2 said:
I did try to explain in another post how the plugin works, but that
was a "beta" version and there are changes. But I'm not sure if it
could be useful for you since it is not designed for PS. =/

I'll probably try to make an action for PS ...

but if you don't feel like waiting, =) the easiest way I imagine
would be to create 2 layers, and with control of the RYGCBM values.
bump up the Green and Blue
and bump up less Yellow and Cyan
(play around with the values and transparency level of the
saturated layer)
for 1Ds you should tint -1, 10%

hmm.. hope this helps. :)
Snook said:
SG2 said:
if anyone has some of the other velvia plugins out there (aka
Fred's, etc) can make one examples from theirs and we can compare
the results ;)
Snook said:
Alex-A said:
This is the first time that I understand the difference. No profile
gives you a lot more yellow in this pic. The hisat should be nicer
all around, but for this particular portrait, I would choose the
losat and work from there.

Really,

Thank you.
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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I use a velivia plugin too sometimes. Where the ETC profiles really shine is not in the studio where I can be sure of the color temp . It really helps in dealing with those color casts and helps to keep the skin tones looking natural. Sure you can make all kinds of modification in CS, but when working
in volume it really is a time saver.

BTW there is NO sharpening at all on these images.
SG2 said:
the first one is "straight velvia" and the second one is modified
for 1Ds.



the only modification from the above is a filter applied on the
Highlights, with parameters: Tint -1, Strength 0.1

here's the result:



the above have enbeded sharpening algorithm, so if you can, don't
pay attention to it, it's all about the colours here :)

ps. of course I used the first image, with "Daylight profile" as
source.
Tom Batinich said:
This image uses the Daylight profile for the 1Ds that came with C1.



This image uses the ETC Low-saturation profile.



This image uses the ETC High-saturation profile.


Snook said:
How exactly are they used.. Put them in C-1 profiles folder...
Has anybody had any experience with these profiles..
looking at the 1DsMII profiles..
SThanks,
Snook
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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Magne's profiles are not about increasing saturation. He goes to great lengths to provide the most accurate colors available. Whether you will like them or not is up to you, but if I have ever heard from someone who gave them a serious test and didn't like them, I can't remember the event.

In a fully color managed workflow, every piece in the chain should be profiled... source, monitor and output. The printer is your output, and if you are serious you will have good custom profiles for your particular printer and each combination of inks and paper you use on it. Similarly, if you're not working on a hardware-profiled monitor, your color management is nothing more than a crapshoot. The source is your camera (or scanner). Magne's profiles are, at this writing, the best profiles available for the various Canon DSLR's for use with Capture One RAW conversion, short of an individual custom profile made specifically for your particular body.

Adobe RGB is not a profile, but a color space. Different animal. Think of it as the room in which you choose to do your color work. sRGB is a smaller room, but sort of a common denominator that works well for display on non-color-managed monitors, i.e., for web work.

Nill
~~
http://www.toulme.net
SG2 said:
personally I like the "velvia" look, and wrote something to give me
the image i like, and just wanted to compare it with ETC. (digital
velvia, etc)

can you do it on PS? you should! ETC is a colour profile, and
should be posible to acheave in PS. Digital Velvia, (etc) are
plugins for photoshop, so you can do this too by hand.

why use them? -> saves time, and produces the result with automated
easy steps. (and if you are not sure how to get that look, it may
take you a looong time of tweaking before you get to it).

is it worthed to pay for ETC? if you like its effects and if you
can't reproduce them in PS (or don't have the time) yes, but I'm
sure you can get the same result yourself without it. (tho it looks
like ETC is very well calibrated)...
Snook said:
SG2 said:
Snook said:
How exactly are they used.. Put them in C-1 profiles folder...
Has anybody had any experience with these profiles..
looking at the 1DsMII profiles..
SThanks,
Snook
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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I don't have to deal with large volume images, but when I do, I write/modify my scripts and run the job trough video-compositing software ;)

ETC looks very well calibrated, but I thought that they were meant to give more rich (velvia) look too = . why do you think C1's profiles do not deliver as ETC?

I created the core of my plugin in photoshop, so now I have to see how to create "automation" or "action" or whatever they call it... :P

if anyone wants it I'll post it for download.

ps. I knew that there's no sharpening on your posts, but it was a hussle to turn off the sharpening in my script as it was performed on stages trough the script.
Tom Batinich said:
BTW there is NO sharpening at all on these images.
SG2 said:
the first one is "straight velvia" and the second one is modified
for 1Ds.



the only modification from the above is a filter applied on the
Highlights, with parameters: Tint -1, Strength 0.1

here's the result:



the above have enbeded sharpening algorithm, so if you can, don't
pay attention to it, it's all about the colours here :)

ps. of course I used the first image, with "Daylight profile" as
source.
Tom Batinich said:
This image uses the Daylight profile for the 1Ds that came with C1.



This image uses the ETC Low-saturation profile.



This image uses the ETC High-saturation profile.


Snook said:
How exactly are they used.. Put them in C-1 profiles folder...
Has anybody had any experience with these profiles..
looking at the 1DsMII profiles..
SThanks,
Snook
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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The ETC profiles are about accuracy, not increased saturation. With all due respect, SG2, it appears to me that you are making recommendations regarding something you have not actually used.

Nill
~~
http://www.toulme.net
SG2 said:
I created the core of my plugin in photoshop, so now I have to see
how to create "automation" or "action" or whatever they call it...
:P

if anyone wants it I'll post it for download.

ps. I knew that there's no sharpening on your posts, but it was a
hussle to turn off the sharpening in my script as it was performed
on stages trough the script.
Tom Batinich said:
BTW there is NO sharpening at all on these images.
SG2 said:
the first one is "straight velvia" and the second one is modified
for 1Ds.



the only modification from the above is a filter applied on the
Highlights, with parameters: Tint -1, Strength 0.1

here's the result:



the above have enbeded sharpening algorithm, so if you can, don't
pay attention to it, it's all about the colours here :)

ps. of course I used the first image, with "Daylight profile" as
source.
Tom Batinich said:
This image uses the Daylight profile for the 1Ds that came with C1.



This image uses the ETC Low-saturation profile.



This image uses the ETC High-saturation profile.


Snook said:
How exactly are they used.. Put them in C-1 profiles folder...
Has anybody had any experience with these profiles..
looking at the 1DsMII profiles..
SThanks,
Snook
--
Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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Thank you for the respect Nill, but you can see that I do not make any recommendations. I was asking questions and exploring the subject matter.

And actually asking questions =) so why do you think C1 can't calibrate better and ETC can? At least that's what ETC claims.
Nill Toulme said:
Nill
~~
http://www.toulme.net
SG2 said:
I created the core of my plugin in photoshop, so now I have to see
how to create "automation" or "action" or whatever they call it...
:P

if anyone wants it I'll post it for download.

ps. I knew that there's no sharpening on your posts, but it was a
hussle to turn off the sharpening in my script as it was performed
on stages trough the script.
Tom Batinich said:
BTW there is NO sharpening at all on these images.
SG2 said:
the first one is "straight velvia" and the second one is modified
for 1Ds.



the only modification from the above is a filter applied on the
Highlights, with parameters: Tint -1, Strength 0.1

here's the result:



the above have enbeded sharpening algorithm, so if you can, don't
pay attention to it, it's all about the colours here :)

ps. of course I used the first image, with "Daylight profile" as
source.
Tom Batinich said:
This image uses the Daylight profile for the 1Ds that came with C1.



This image uses the ETC Low-saturation profile.



This image uses the ETC High-saturation profile.


Snook said:
How exactly are they used.. Put them in C-1 profiles folder...
Has anybody had any experience with these profiles..
looking at the 1DsMII profiles..
SThanks,
Snook
--
Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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I don't think it's that they can't calibrate better; it's just that they're focused on keeping their software running, up to date, bug-free and improved, not on making the best possible profiles for all of the many different cameras their software supports. Magne, OTOH, is focused on making the best possible Capture One profiles for each new camera he tackles, and he does a superb job of it.

Nill
~~
http://www.toulme.net
SG2 said:
Thank you for the respect Nill, but you can see that I do not make
any recommendations. I was asking questions and exploring the
subject matter.
And actually asking questions =) so why do you think C1 can't
calibrate better and ETC can? At least that's what ETC claims.
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for all you PhotoShop users, add it to your actions, open a file and press F5

download: http://www.alienminds.ca/VelviaPlugins.atn

please note that I wrote the action in a few hours,... all I want to say is it's not "perfect" and well calibrated (as ETC, nor my own 32bit version :) but you may like it non-the less.

enjoy
Snook said:
SG2 said:
if anyone has some of the other velvia plugins out there (aka
Fred's, etc) can make one examples from theirs and we can compare
the results ;)
Snook said:
Alex-A said:
This is the first time that I understand the difference. No profile
gives you a lot more yellow in this pic. The hisat should be nicer
all around, but for this particular portrait, I would choose the
losat and work from there.

Really,

Thank you.
Click to expand...
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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Im not sure why the C1 profiles don't work as well. You would think they
would. Butm after fighting with my Epson 2200 and the real bad profiles

that came with that printer I have seen the value of custom profile and the time they save me is well worth the price, plus I like the quality and like

I said they really shine if those difficult color temp situations. I like C1's workflow and being able to crop in the RAW is an awesome thing.

I usually organize the photos so that those taken in the same situation are grouped together. I then select one and alter the settings and export to CS until I get it just right, and then copy those settings to the rest in the group. Crop in C1 (in the RAW) , export for web and display for the client.

If CS would get the ability to use ICC profile in its RAW converter and would make it do you could crop in the RAW I would probably jump ship.
SG2 said:
I created the core of my plugin in photoshop, so now I have to see
how to create "automation" or "action" or whatever they call it...
:P

if anyone wants it I'll post it for download.

ps. I knew that there's no sharpening on your posts, but it was a
hussle to turn off the sharpening in my script as it was performed
on stages trough the script.
Tom Batinich said:
BTW there is NO sharpening at all on these images.
SG2 said:
the first one is "straight velvia" and the second one is modified
for 1Ds.



the only modification from the above is a filter applied on the
Highlights, with parameters: Tint -1, Strength 0.1

here's the result:



the above have enbeded sharpening algorithm, so if you can, don't
pay attention to it, it's all about the colours here :)

ps. of course I used the first image, with "Daylight profile" as
source.
Tom Batinich said:
This image uses the Daylight profile for the 1Ds that came with C1.



This image uses the ETC Low-saturation profile.



This image uses the ETC High-saturation profile.


Snook said:
How exactly are they used.. Put them in C-1 profiles folder...
Has anybody had any experience with these profiles..
looking at the 1DsMII profiles..
SThanks,
Snook
--
Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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After looking at skin tone rendering (vs landscape), Magne's profiles are better. In fact, I've stopped using C1's v2 generic profile altogether.

Regards,
John
 
bdog01 said:
After looking at skin tone rendering (vs landscape), Magne's
profiles are better. In fact, I've stopped using C1's v2 generic
profile altogether.

Regards,
John
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Can you post an example of the difference in skin tone that you observe?

Or at least describe what you observe. I'm wondering if this might be the way away from the overly yellow and saturated skin tones I've been experiencing in C1.

m
 
Using the 1Ds ? I had the same problem with the 1Ds. and C-1. Over saturated and yellowish. Now with the 1DsMII I am not.. I think it is the camera, But not sure.
Snook
mdark said:
bdog01 said:
After looking at skin tone rendering (vs landscape), Magne's
profiles are better. In fact, I've stopped using C1's v2 generic
profile altogether.

Regards,
John
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Can you post an example of the difference in skin tone that you
observe?
Or at least describe what you observe. I'm wondering if this might
be the way away from the overly yellow and saturated skin tones
I've been experiencing in C1.

m
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The example files... Do not know if it is the webbrowser (probabaly is) but I like the straight out of the camera picture more than with the ETC... Strange.
Snook
SG2 said:
download: http://www.alienminds.ca/VelviaPlugins.atn

please note that I wrote the action in a few hours,... all I want
to say is it's not "perfect" and well calibrated (as ETC, nor my
own 32bit version :) but you may like it non-the less.

enjoy
Snook said:
SG2 said:
if anyone has some of the other velvia plugins out there (aka
Fred's, etc) can make one examples from theirs and we can compare
the results ;)
Snook said:
Alex-A said:
This is the first time that I understand the difference. No profile
gives you a lot more yellow in this pic. The hisat should be nicer
all around, but for this particular portrait, I would choose the
losat and work from there.

Really,

Thank you.
Click to expand...
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
 
These profiles are the best 29$ you've ever spent. But only if you already have at least a calibrated monitor. The colors are absolutely right to the spot.

If you have no calibrated Monitor I would fix this first before thinking about profiles...

Frank
http://www.xvm.de
Snook said:
How exactly are they used.. Put them in C-1 profiles folder...
Has anybody had any experience with these profiles..
looking at the 1DsMII profiles..
SThanks,
Snook
--
Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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m,

I'm using the 1D MkII, and yes there is a yellow cast with the C1 generic v2 profile with skin tones. Magne's LoSat profile is very accurate, no yellow cast and not over saturated. The HiSat profile is similar in saturation to the C1 generic v2, without the yellow cast of course and higher in contrast. Magne did a very nice job here.

Regards,
John
 
with my plugin you can adjust the saturation level while correcting the colours. hope you tried it (it was up for download a whole day)
cheers,
~
Snook said:
mdark said:
bdog01 said:
After looking at skin tone rendering (vs landscape), Magne's
profiles are better. In fact, I've stopped using C1's v2 generic
profile altogether.

Regards,
John
Click to expand...
Can you post an example of the difference in skin tone that you
observe?
Or at least describe what you observe. I'm wondering if this might
be the way away from the overly yellow and saturated skin tones
I've been experiencing in C1.

m
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Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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Used a WB card for white balance. No sharpening, just Image Size ~ 800x Bicubic in PS. This is for the 1DM2.

First image CO profile.



Second image is ETC profile.



The difference is obvious.

Eric
Snook said:
How exactly are they used.. Put them in C-1 profiles folder...
Has anybody had any experience with these profiles..
looking at the 1DsMII profiles..
SThanks,
Snook
--
Canon 1DsMII,Powerbook 17'---> Shooting RAW (Ofcourse)
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http://gallery.skewphoto.com
 
I've only used the profile for a week with my 20D and I like what it produces. When I recieve the newly released ETC profile for the 1Ds mk II I might get back with examples from that profile also.

Here are two tests with the 20D-profile:



The gold colour and the champagne in the ETC-profiles are much better (as in colour-accurate) I think. And the raspberry sorbet should look less yellow, as it does in the ETC-profiles. (But to my preference the low sat-profile is already as saturated as I want it. I'm not shure I want to eat the high sat-version of the sorbet :)



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Petter Stahre
http://www.matbilder.se

 
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