Joe M.
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I was just wondering how the battery life is on the SD10. I know own all Sony DigiCams. I have been looking at the SD10 for awhile now. I like the look and the Sample photos I have seen.
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How is the Battery Life on the SD10?
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Laurence Matson
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Just pop in two CR-V3 or RCR-V3 batteries. The former should be you about 600 shots per pair; the latter about 300 per charge.
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Paul Paris Les Images
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Joe,
with temperatures outside (plus minus o degrees celcius). The life of Uniross AA batteries is app. 40-50 shots. I.m.o. not excellent.
With higher temperatures (from 10 degrees C.) the live is app. 150 shots.
greetings, Paul
with temperatures outside (plus minus o degrees celcius). The life of Uniross AA batteries is app. 40-50 shots. I.m.o. not excellent.
With higher temperatures (from 10 degrees C.) the live is app. 150 shots.
greetings, Paul
gbainbridge
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No, the SD10 (and the SD9 for that matter) really does need CRV3 batteries, rather than AAs, unless you are using the battery grip.
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Laurence Matson
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Paul,
You are right. The AA batteries are not excellent. Try CR-V3 or get a battery pack for 8 AA rechargeables as gb posted.
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You are right. The AA batteries are not excellent. Try CR-V3 or get a battery pack for 8 AA rechargeables as gb posted.
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CJMax
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Ditto. Even the rechargeable AA's are a PIA. They are OK for a casual photo outing where the image captures will be at a leisurely pace, and that's with the power pak; however, if you're going to do any consistant viewing of the histograms, fast paced image captures (as in several bursts of 4-5 images in rapid succession), etc., the AA's just don't have it in them - very weak reserves. Whenever I used them I always carried a second fully charged set with me. That would get me through 3-4 hours, barely. On my last photo shoot with them the only thing that saved me was a 120v. receptacle, an extension cord and my DC converter (note that not all 3 of these are conveniently located all the time).
CR-V3 right now is the only way to go, IMO.
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I was getting 600-800 + shots with the power grip and 8 2200 batteries.
The 2350 or 2400 batteries are supposed to be much better.
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The 2350 or 2400 batteries are supposed to be much better.
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Just Looking
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Do you have a source or explanation for that supposition?
Keep in mind that the problem with limited AA NiMH shooting has never been capacity. Rather, it's the internal resistance that's too high for the load current. That's why 8 cells in a grip can give you 10X or more shots compared to 4 cells in the camera; but that relationship varies all over the map for different users and different cells because it is critically dependent on the internal resistance of the batteries, which depends on brand, charger, charging history, etc.
My longstanding conjecture: higher capacity rechargables probably trade away low resistance in the quest for more capacity. The evidence is weak, but at least it should serve as a caution that higher capacity is not necessarily better.
j
Thats my understanding from other people that have used them. I have not used 2400's myself, but i do plan on trying a set of 2500 nimh batteries soon and will let you know.
As far as internal resistance vs. load, I am not a battery engineer, but I imagine battery company could explain that to you.
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Paul Paris Les Images
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Paul Paris Les Images
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Laurence,
Thanks for the advice.
Yes, I think I have to change to CR-V3. Even the batterypack (with 2300 NIMh AA's) lasts hardly longer,
greetings, Paul
Thanks for the advice.
Yes, I think I have to change to CR-V3. Even the batterypack (with 2300 NIMh AA's) lasts hardly longer,
greetings, Paul
Just Looking
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The key is to use a good charger with a conditioning cycle. When I was using brand new 2300 mAhr NiMH batteries, I found that at least four deep-discharge conditioning cycles were needed to get them into shape to work well. Performance was still not great, as I was using only four in the camera, but with two sets in parallel in the battery grip, users end up being happy with them, according to all (most?) reports here.
j
Helge Hafting
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Explanation:
4 NiMH batteries (or two sets of four) gives you about 4.8V when fully charged, no matter what the capacity is. As you use up some capacity the voltage drops gradually. Load spikes (such as using focus motors and OS on a big lens) temporarily pull the voltage a bit further down too. The SDx cameras believes the batteries is empty when they reach about 4.5 volts and gives up. A NiMH set may have lots of capacity left at that point though. A slightly higher capacity set takes much more time to reach the 4.5V cutoff. They don't have that much more power than a 2100 mAh set, but they take much longer to get to the cutoff. So they can power a SDx much longer.
A CRV3 / RCRV3 set actually have less capacity, typically 1300mAh (RCRV3). But it will stay at 6V almost to the end, meaning you actually get all the capacity. A NiMH set rejected by the camera still have 2/3 or so left of its capacity, the set works well in the flash for example. This is why RCRV3 last longer in the camera despite lower capacity. CRV3 has even more capacity, but is not rechargeable.
(R)CRV3 has another advantage too. 6V gives faster focusing than the 4.8V (or less) from NiMH.
I believe higher capacity has less resistance, lowering resistance is one way of getting more capacity. Power lost towards internal resistance doesn't count as capacity because this is measured with an external load. Using 8 batteries instead of 4 is an example of this - twice the capacity and half the resistance. Such batteries may be harder to make though, or they may require expensive research to develop. The manufacturers want the most from existing production lines.
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Paul Paris Les Images
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Hi , JL,
Indeed that's was in the beginning, now after more cycles, I could try the batt.grip again,
greetings, Paul
Indeed that's was in the beginning, now after more cycles, I could try the batt.grip again,
greetings, Paul
I agree with Laurence. just buy RCR-V3 and it should be OK. they last around 200-300 shots. At temperatures below zero maybe 100 shots less.
With 2000 NiMh batteries I was getting around 40 shots (with Oly C-750 batteries lasted around 300 shots). Unuseful
Maybe useful as a backup...
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With 2000 NiMh batteries I was getting around 40 shots (with Oly C-750 batteries lasted around 300 shots). Unuseful
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DaSonyGuy
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...Depends on what batteries you use.
2xCRV-3's will give you around 800 shots, then you have to throw them away. 4x CRV-3's (in battery grip) should give at least 1500 shots.
2xRCRV-3's currently have capacities of between 1100mAh and 1300mAh and will give you around 300 shots per charge. However they can be charged a minimum of 100x so you could can get a minimum of 30000 shots out of them over their lifespan. 4x (in battery grip) will give you around 500-600 shots per charge.
Both of the above cost about the same to buy and are uneffected by cold weather.
4xAA NiMH's dont work well if at all in cold weather. The high capacity versions 2300mAh+ have a high internal resistance and under load their voltage can drop low enough to cause the SD10 to perform low voltage shut downs very often.
In the warm, you might get around 150-300 shots per charge, if your lucky.
8xAA NiMH's in the optional "battery grip" can give up to 800 shots per charge, but it makes the camera bigger and bulkier.
Enable EC-702 7.2v 2000mAh Li-ion external battery pack (Digipower DPS9000 is the US) gives nearly 800 shots per charge, and comes with its own built in LED battery meter.
I recommend either 2x or 4x (with battery grip) RCRV-3's. if you dont use the battery grip its a good idea to keep an extra two RCRV-3's with you.
Failing that the EC-702 works great.
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gbainbridge
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The other advantage of RCRV3s, that nobody else has mentioned, is that they do not self discharge (or at least do so very slowly).
This means that you can leave them in the camera, and even if you don't use it for a couple of weeks, they are still fully charged when you get it out again.
With rechargeable AA cells, you would find that they were too flat to use, and unless you keep a set permanently on charge, you virtually have to give 24 hours notice before you can use the camera.
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Gary.
This means that you can leave them in the camera, and even if you don't use it for a couple of weeks, they are still fully charged when you get it out again.
With rechargeable AA cells, you would find that they were too flat to use, and unless you keep a set permanently on charge, you virtually have to give 24 hours notice before you can use the camera.
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Frits Thomsen
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Hello all..
I read this thread yesterday, and instantly realised that I disagree with you all...
What on earth are you doing to get those rediculously low numbers...???
Then I decided to see how many shots I actually would get out of a set of four freshly charged Uniross´s
I went out yesterday. It was rather cold..well below zero celsius.. so I only took 12 pictures before I went home.
Today I have been out "shooting" for several hours, the temperature was just around 0 C. I took 102 pictures. On several of them I used 2sec. delay and on some others MLU.. autofocus on all
When I got home i wanted to burn out the last power of these batteries before they got warmed up...
Well to make a long story short there was still an incredible 546 pictures left in them....
I took them in burst of 4or 5then let the buffer empty and click, click...again...
I kept the Autofocus work for every picture and even let it hunt a while, sometimes.
I have never cared to testy these batteries before, as I knew they had plenty of reserves in them , but I must admit even I got a little surprised..
So please don´t say rechargeble AA´s dont work on a SD10..
Frits Thomsen
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I read this thread yesterday, and instantly realised that I disagree with you all...
What on earth are you doing to get those rediculously low numbers...???
Then I decided to see how many shots I actually would get out of a set of four freshly charged Uniross´s
I went out yesterday. It was rather cold..well below zero celsius.. so I only took 12 pictures before I went home.
Today I have been out "shooting" for several hours, the temperature was just around 0 C. I took 102 pictures. On several of them I used 2sec. delay and on some others MLU.. autofocus on all
When I got home i wanted to burn out the last power of these batteries before they got warmed up...
Well to make a long story short there was still an incredible 546 pictures left in them....
I took them in burst of 4or 5then let the buffer empty and click, click...again...
I kept the Autofocus work for every picture and even let it hunt a while, sometimes.
I have never cared to testy these batteries before, as I knew they had plenty of reserves in them , but I must admit even I got a little surprised..
So please don´t say rechargeble AA´s dont work on a SD10..
Frits Thomsen
See my pictures at
http://www.pbase.com/yoicz
Frits Thomsen
Senior Member
Just a few more details
at 540 the meter began to show half "battery"
at 647 it died , but I took out the battetry tray , rolled the batteries.and got 17 more shots..
Frits Thomsen
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http://www.pbase.com/yoicz
at 540 the meter began to show half "battery"
at 647 it died , but I took out the battetry tray , rolled the batteries.and got 17 more shots..
Frits Thomsen
See my pictures at
http://www.pbase.com/yoicz
Paul Paris Les Images
Senior Member
Hi,
I have up till now never reached so many exposures with these batteries.
I nearly never use autofocus and never the display on the back. Perhaps there is a difference in charger , I use the Uniross Sprint (1-2 h).
greetings, Paul
I have up till now never reached so many exposures with these batteries.
I nearly never use autofocus and never the display on the back. Perhaps there is a difference in charger , I use the Uniross Sprint (1-2 h).
greetings, Paul
Just a few more details
at 540 the meter began to show half "battery"
at 647 it died , but I took out the battetry tray , rolled the
batteries.and got 17 more shots..
Frits Thomsen
See my pictures at
http://www.pbase.com/yoicz
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