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Interesting thoughts...

Of cause, another option that may be presented is the Canon 20D, which is a closer competitor to the Nikon D70 is reduced in price to match the D70 and replace the 300D as the entry level Canon SLR.

The 20D is still new, so won't be replaced, but a drop in price to match the D70 would provide excellent competition.

Then, a new camera above the 20D but still within the same body style (i.e. not weather proofed 1 series)

This would allow Canon to kill two birds with one stone. Direct and hard pressure on the D70 with the 20D priced the same (or lower?) and a new camera surpassing the D70, but below the 1 series replacing the position the 20D had.

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David Mazeau said:
**** Boer said:
I don't see that really, the D70 and 300D do not compete price
wise, nor feature wise. The D70 is a better camera at a higher
price
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Canon was doing really great with the 300D, until the D70 came
along. But now plenty of customers figure: "I won't get the
Canon 300D, instead I'll spend a little extra money and get a
Nikon D70".

After PMA this year, I'd guess Canon will have a camera better
than the Nikon D70, and it still will be for less money.

And those customers that buy this new camera will continue to
be locked into a Canon lens mount system.
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Jo' Chambers said:
Interesting thoughts...

Of cause, another option that may be presented is the Canon 20D,
which is a closer competitor to the Nikon D70 is reduced in price
to match the D70 and replace the 300D as the entry level Canon SLR.

The 20D is still new, so won't be replaced, but a drop in price to
match the D70 would provide excellent competition.
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The 300D is a gonner, but the 20D will not be sacrificed this early.

There is no point in dropping the price of the 20D. It is selling very well and with people claiming that the 20D is "canabalizing" 1D mkII sales I can't see them dropping the price so quickly.

Now if Nikon introduced a D100 replacement that was a step up from the 20D, that would shake things up a bit.
 
Max Fun said:
waterskier said:
**** Boer said:
There have been a few pre PMA announcements so far, mostly P&S
cameras. But anyone here knows more about Canon DLRS that we could
expect at PMA? The 300D still seems to sell reasonably well and
seems to have no competition in it's price class and hardly needs
an update from a marketing perspective.
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Baloney! The Nikon D70 has ramped up to over 90,000 units per
month and is trouncing the 300D at the low end!

Think of all the lens sales that Canon is loosing over that. I was
just on a video forum with a few guys who got 300D's and were
buying L glass for it.

I think that the 300D is VERY likely to be replaced especially
considering it will have been out for about 18 months. Maybe they
will give it a 20D sensor to one up the D70.
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You think 90 000 D70s (was this before or after the rebates?) is trouncing Canon in the lower end, so I'm sure you must know for a fact that the 300D's numbers have to be much less right?
waterskier said:
Max Fun said:
waterskier said:
**** Boer said:
There have been a few pre PMA announcements so far, mostly P&S
cameras. But anyone here knows more about Canon DLRS that we could
expect at PMA? The 300D still seems to sell reasonably well and
seems to have no competition in it's price class and hardly needs
an update from a marketing perspective.
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Baloney! The Nikon D70 has ramped up to over 90,000 units per
month and is trouncing the 300D at the low end!

Think of all the lens sales that Canon is loosing over that. I was
just on a video forum with a few guys who got 300D's and were
buying L glass for it.

I think that the 300D is VERY likely to be replaced especially
considering it will have been out for about 18 months. Maybe they
will give it a 20D sensor to one up the D70.
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However, I really would like to see a revamped 100-400mm lens. Maybe something like a 200-400mm f/4 or 2/8 DO.

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I hope... A new 50mm 1.2 L would be great and a UWA prime, something like a 18mm or 19mm 2.8 L, would be even better.
 
Peter Gregg said:
Real possibilities:

2D

Same body as 20D
Same focus system as 20D
Writing speeds to card in 6K+ territory
9 frame buffer
3 FPS
1.3 crop
9-10mp (whatever fits properly)
Noise level at 800 ISO same as today's 200 ISO
Noise level at 1600 ISO same as today's 400 ISO
Noise level at 3200 ISO same as today's 1600 ISO
1/3 stop ISO selection choices
IS on the body
$3500 MSRP $2500 Street
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Those noise levels alone push your speculation out of the realm of "real possibilities". 1600 = today's 200 ISO? No way; not in such a short period of time since the release of the 20D.

The 20D is already pushing 5fps x 8mp = 40mp/second. Why would they downgrade to 3fps x 10mp = 30mp/second if the buffer is larger and the write-to-card speed is faster than the 20D's? Not very plausible in my book.

IS on the body--doubt it. I think Canon are satisfied to sell IS lenses.

1.3 crop is about the only somewhat realistic possibility, but your choice of resolution would mean Canon would have to design and manufacture yet another sensor--not very cost-efficient for such a niche product as this theoretical 2D of yours.

-Yohan
 
**** Boer said:
There have been a few pre PMA announcements so far, mostly P&S
cameras. But anyone here knows more about Canon DLRS that we could
expect at PMA? The 300D still seems to sell reasonably well and
seems to have no competition in it's price class and hardly needs
an update from a marketing perspective. The 20D is just one of the
latest cameras like the 1Ds mk II. The 1D mk II doesn't seem to be
at the end of it's life cycle either. Would that mean there will be
no new Canon D-SLR at all? Seems to be odd, since all PMA's or
Photokinas the last 3 years gave us at least one new Canon DSLR.

Is a high speed (12fps) 1D series (like RT) realistic? Or an in
between 20D and 1D model (2D? type) with a new sensor type maybe?
Or an anti shake sensor like the KM7D? Or will a 2D be based on an
11mp full frame sensor and some crippled logic in a 20D body? Or
will Canon surprise us with some kind of new 'uber camera' that
will kill medium format?

There often seem to be some well informed participants in this
forum. I am just curious wether to spend my money on an 1D mk II or
1Ds mk II now, or just wait for important things to come.
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The D70, 300D and 20D all sell in roughly the same numbers. The 300D really appeals to the budget shopper and sell very well in places like BestBuy and WalMart. So while the D70 is nicer than the 300D, its higher price keeps it out of the more price conscious buyers.

Steven
Max Fun said:
You think 90 000 D70s (was this before or after the rebates?) is
trouncing Canon in the lower end, so I'm sure you must know for a
fact that the 300D's numbers have to be much less right?
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Yohan Pamudji said:
Peter Gregg said:
Real possibilities:

2D

Same body as 20D
Same focus system as 20D
Writing speeds to card in 6K+ territory
9 frame buffer
3 FPS
1.3 crop
9-10mp (whatever fits properly)
Noise level at 800 ISO same as today's 200 ISO
Noise level at 1600 ISO same as today's 400 ISO
Noise level at 3200 ISO same as today's 1600 ISO
1/3 stop ISO selection choices
IS on the body
$3500 MSRP $2500 Street
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Those noise levels alone push your speculation out of the realm of
"real possibilities". 1600 = today's 200 ISO? No way; not in such
a short period of time since the release of the 20D.
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Already been done. The Fuji S3 200 ISO and 1600 ISO are the same. We just want to keep more of the details. Canon is better at sensors than Fuji. If Canon DOESN'T do it, they are already behind.
Yohan Pamudji said:
The 20D is already pushing 5fps x 8mp = 40mp/second. Why would
they downgrade to 3fps x 10mp = 30mp/second if the buffer is larger
and the write-to-card speed is faster than the 20D's? Not very
plausible in my book.
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To keep the 1D MKII way ahead, I believe Canon will give us more megapixels but not along with high FPS at the price level I described. The 2D camera is not a 1D MKII substitute. I believe certain abilities will remain in the 1D level of cameras, and the high frame rate will be one of them.
Yohan Pamudji said:
IS on the body--doubt it. I think Canon are satisfied to sell IS
lenses.
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How are you so threatened by one camera having IS on the body? This will have a zero impact in a negative way on sale of IS lenses. When Canon releases an IS body, all the other bodies, and I will remind you what they are, the D30, D60, 10D, 20D, 1D, 1Ds, 1D MKI, and 1Ds MKII will still not have IS on the body.

If your trend of thought is correct, that it would be SO popular to distract form lens sales, it is more dangerous for Canon NOT to have a player in IS on the body market. Why would Canon want to ignore a huge sales hit? If you are wrong, and the camera sells just well, then the other 10 bodies without IS built into them may still indeed need IS lenses. It's a no-lose situation, your thinking has an agenda and is not logical.
Yohan Pamudji said:
1.3 crop is about the only somewhat realistic possibility, but your
choice of resolution would mean Canon would have to design and
manufacture yet another sensor--not very cost-efficient for such a
niche product as this theoretical 2D of yours.
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Yes, you are correct. Just like they created a separate sensor for the D30, 10D, 20D, 1D, 1D MKII, 1Ds, and 1Ds MKII. I guess Canon would want to break this unsuccessful trend.

Overall, looks like you didn't put much thought into your ideas, sounds more like it was an unsuccessful exercise in negative spin. The only real argument you would have had is the 3 FPS for the 2D. That is only my own idea of delegating certain features to certain cameras. You could have come back on that one and said that "I just couldn't know" and you would be correct. Canon could very well not consider that a feature that needed to stay in the 1 series of cameras and no one would know until time bore it out.

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madmaxx said:
**** Boer said:
There have been a few pre PMA announcements so far, mostly P&S
cameras. But anyone here knows more about Canon DLRS that we could
expect at PMA? The 300D still seems to sell reasonably well and
seems to have no competition in it's price class and hardly needs
an update from a marketing perspective. The 20D is just one of the
latest cameras like the 1Ds mk II. The 1D mk II doesn't seem to be
at the end of it's life cycle either. Would that mean there will be
no new Canon D-SLR at all? Seems to be odd, since all PMA's or
Photokinas the last 3 years gave us at least one new Canon DSLR.

Is a high speed (12fps) 1D series (like RT) realistic? Or an in
between 20D and 1D model (2D? type) with a new sensor type maybe?
Or an anti shake sensor like the KM7D? Or will a 2D be based on an
11mp full frame sensor and some crippled logic in a 20D body? Or
will Canon surprise us with some kind of new 'uber camera' that
will kill medium format?

There often seem to be some well informed participants in this
forum. I am just curious wether to spend my money on an 1D mk II or
1Ds mk II now, or just wait for important things to come.
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If they come out with an 18 or 19 mm L prime, I would expect it to be f/2. Otherwise, the Sigma 20/1.8 will trounce it.
cooconino said:
I hope... A new 50mm 1.2 L would be great and a UWA prime,
something like a 18mm or 19mm 2.8 L, would be even better.
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Peter Gregg said:
Peter Gregg said:
Those noise levels alone push your speculation out of the realm of
"real possibilities". 1600 = today's 200 ISO? No way; not in such
a short period of time since the release of the 20D.
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Already been done. The Fuji S3 200 ISO and 1600 ISO are the same.
We just want to keep more of the details. Canon is better at
sensors than Fuji. If Canon DOESN'T do it, they are already behind.
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The assumption of course is that 1600 = today's 200 in every way including detail. Having a system with a linear noise progression that destroys detail in the higher ISOs wouldn't qualify, because what's the point of that, right? Canon would have to do some serious magic to manage this, and I'd have to see it to believe it.
Peter Gregg said:
Peter Gregg said:
The 20D is already pushing 5fps x 8mp = 40mp/second. Why would
they downgrade to 3fps x 10mp = 30mp/second if the buffer is larger
and the write-to-card speed is faster than the 20D's? Not very
plausible in my book.
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To keep the 1D MKII way ahead, I believe Canon will give us more
megapixels but not along with high FPS at the price level I
described. The 2D camera is not a 1D MKII substitute. I believe
certain abilities will remain in the 1D level of cameras, and the
high frame rate will be one of them.
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I just feel that for Canon to bring out a new camera between the 20D and 1D Mark II they aren't very likely to downgrade a feature from the 20D, especially not one as obvious and visible as frames per second, especially since with those specifications the 20D would push more data per second than the 2D.
Peter Gregg said:
Peter Gregg said:
IS on the body--doubt it. I think Canon are satisfied to sell IS
lenses.
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How are you so threatened by one camera having IS on the body? This
will have a zero impact in a negative way on sale of IS lenses.

If your trend of thought is correct, that it would be SO popular to
distract form lens sales, it is more dangerous for Canon NOT to
have a player in IS on the body market. Why would Canon want to
ignore a huge sales hit? If you are wrong, and the camera sells
just well, then the other 10 bodies without IS built into them may
still indeed need IS lenses. It's a no-lose situation, your
thinking has an agenda and is not logical.
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I have no "agenda". They have a well-established and well-selling optical IS system, so there's not much incentive for them to put IS on the body. I'm sure they've at least given it some thought, but until KM's on-sensor IS becomes a big factor in drawing sales away from Canon DSLRs or everybody else starts getting on the bandwagon to where it starts becoming an expected feature I don't think Canon will rush to add it to their lineup. I would love to be wrong as I would enjoy staying within the Canon lineup and testing out sensor IS, but I can't see it happening anytime in the very near future.

Plus, where did I say that sensor IS would "distract" from lens sales? That's your bias about people who don't think Canon will do sensor IS anytime soon, not mine.
Peter Gregg said:
Peter Gregg said:
1.3 crop is about the only somewhat realistic possibility, but your
choice of resolution would mean Canon would have to design and
manufacture yet another sensor--not very cost-efficient for such a
niche product as this theoretical 2D of yours.
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Yes, you are correct. Just like they created a separate sensor for
the D30, 10D, 20D, 1D, 1D MKII, 1Ds, and 1Ds MKII. I guess Canon
would want to break this unsuccessful trend.
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Think about how many sensors they have to produce at any given time, not how many they've designed over their entire history, and how much return on investment they can earn on each. Of course they'll continue to design and produce new sensors. Right now Canon is producing 4 different sensors: 1x 16mp, 1.3x 8mp, 1.6x 8mp, and 1.6x 6mp. If they introduce a 1.3x 9-10mp that makes 5 sensors. Now think about the target market of this proposed 2D with its specs:
  • more resolution than the 20D and 1D Mark II
  • less fps than the 20D and 1D Mark II
  • crop factor same as 1D Mark II
  • body and AF same as 20D
So over the 20D it has a very slight resolution increase and a larger sensor and slower frame rate. This for $1000 more? Niche market--only true diehard bigger-sensor-is-better believers will jump on this one over the 20D. With a small target market, designing a new sensor to go in a body without a large profit margin like the 1Ds Mark II means throwing away money. If they come out with something between the 1D Mark II and 20D and charge $1000 more for it than the 20D, they'd better put some more attractive features in it. Perhaps 5fps and/or 1D Mark II focusing a la the EOS 3? They could even use the existing 1D Mark II sensor, which to me would make more financial sense to leverage existing technology to form a coherent lineup instead of having a schizophrenic product that is better than the 20D in some ways and worse in others while charging $1000 extra. THAT would be an attractive camera.
Peter Gregg said:
Overall, looks like you didn't put much thought into your ideas,
sounds more like it was an unsuccessful exercise in negative spin.
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I think I've explained myself enough to debunk your impression that I didn't think my ideas through. I believe you'll be hard pressed to find very many people who think your proposed 2D specs are very plausible.

But since you're just dreaming, I might as well put my dream "2D" specs out there:
  • 20D type body
  • 1D Mark II AF system
  • 1.3x 8mp (same as 1D Mark II)
  • 5fps
  • bigger RAW buffer than 20D, but less than 1D Mark II
  • $2500 price tag
I think my dream is closer to reality than yours. Not only are most of the parts reusable from either the 20D or 1D Mark II, but the features match a camera that should fit between the 20D and 1D Mark II in the hierarchy. Plus it's certainly more mainstream and less of a niche product.

-Yohan
 
**** Boer said:
There have been a few pre PMA announcements so far, mostly P&S
cameras. But anyone here knows more about Canon DLRS that we could
expect at PMA? The 300D still seems to sell reasonably well and
seems to have no competition in it's price class and hardly needs
an update from a marketing perspective. The 20D is just one of the
latest cameras like the 1Ds mk II. The 1D mk II doesn't seem to be
at the end of it's life cycle either. Would that mean there will be
no new Canon D-SLR at all? Seems to be odd, since all PMA's or
Photokinas the last 3 years gave us at least one new Canon DSLR.

Is a high speed (12fps) 1D series (like RT) realistic? Or an in
between 20D and 1D model (2D? type) with a new sensor type maybe?
Or an anti shake sensor like the KM7D? Or will a 2D be based on an
11mp full frame sensor and some crippled logic in a 20D body? Or
will Canon surprise us with some kind of new 'uber camera' that
will kill medium format?

There often seem to be some well informed participants in this
forum. I am just curious wether to spend my money on an 1D mk II or
1Ds mk II now, or just wait for important things to come.
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Not to sound crass, but why waste all that glass? A constant aperture long tele is stupid IMO. I would MUCH rather see a:

200 - 400mm 1.8 to f3.7 IS lens. You can always force the 1 series into a minimum f4.0 if you want constant aperture but why, pray tell, have a 200mm f3.7 when for the same weight and size it could be f1.8? And be a 300 f2.8 at the same time.

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Peter Gregg said:
I don't agree with your 300D assesment, it is Canon's worst camera
and is out of date. It does not even have ETTL-2 on it and ETTL is
the worst thing for consumer level photography.
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I agree here. The D70 is more expensive than the 300D but it is also considerably better. The likelihood of a 300D replacement in 2005 is high, and an announcement at PMA is likely at least.
Peter Gregg said:
2D

Same body as 20D
Same focus system as 20D
Writing speeds to card in 6K+ territory
9 frame buffer
3 FPS
1.3 crop
9-10mp (whatever fits properly)
Noise level at 800 ISO same as today's 200 ISO
Noise level at 1600 ISO same as today's 400 ISO
Noise level at 3200 ISO same as today's 1600 ISO
1/3 stop ISO selection choices
IS on the body
$3500 MSRP $2500 Street
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There are some very big issues with this.

1. Canon has already stated they are going to have no more EOS-1 series cameras with 1.3x sensors. They also have not brought out any lenses specifically for the 1.3x bodies. With this in mind I think Canon will drop the 1.3x sensors totally and move to a two sensor-size (FF and 1.6). This saves them money in both manufacturing and design.

2. 1.3x sensors are too large to have effective IS in the body while using 35mm FF lenses. The 1.6x / 1.5x sensor is just small enough to make this work.

3. The 1Ds M2 was announced quite recently. Huge noise-level improvements in such a short period of time do not seem likely. Even if Canon had the ability I doubt they would release such a camera without updating their flagship 1-series first. Marketing reasons. (Yes, I hate that idea too, but it is the way of the corporate world.)
Peter Gregg said:
Since there may be no IS in the body, a new EF lens:

20-90 3.5 L IS and
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This lens would be very, very heavy. The focal length range is nice, but the cost and weight would not be desirable.
Peter Gregg said:
A new grip, designed while engineers are awake this time.
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Yes, the 20D grip is the worst design I have ever seen. I would love for Canon to replace it with something nicer...
Peter Gregg said:
Nothing too extraordinary, every area advances one notch, but
reasonable.
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Lowering 1600 ISO noise to 400 ISO noise would be extraordinary. Especially since the 20D noise at 400 is not that much different from what it is at 100... It would be more than extraordinary actually; it'd be an amazing feat.

IS in a 1.3x body would also be far beyond extraordinary. Canon would have to break the laws of physics to make a useful IS system with a 1.3x sensor and 35mm FF lenses. ;)
Peter Gregg said:
Digital Rebel/300D:
Same thing as it is now but:
7mp
Black body
High write speeds to card - same as 20D
9 frame buffer
ETTL-2 with + - ratios available on body
Reconnecting most of the blocked selections
$999
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I don't know what Canon will do to make it so that the 300D replacement won't kill 20D sales, but it will be something.

As with the 10D/300D though, I think they will use the same sensor in the 20D/new300D. Why? Cost. The sensor and surrounding electronics are by far the most expensive parts to design and manufacturer. Creating a new system for a budget camera is not economically sensible and Canon proved reluctant to do it with the 300D. I would guess we will see a plastic-bodied 20D with various functions removed. But this time I think Canon will do a better job removing functions so that they can't be turned back on with a firmware hack.
Peter Gregg said:
Digital Rebel Lite/200D:
Today's Digital Rebel Body
No changes
$699
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Nope. It does not cost Canon any less to manufacture this camera than it would an 8mp version of it. It would actually cost them more actually as they would have to have yet another sensor FAB line. There is no reason to produce it and many reasons not to.

Canon also stated publicly a few months ago that they really are not looking to expand the number of levels in their digital SLR line up. You can read my translation of this interview here if you like: http://hobday.net/canon Yes, eventually they will expand things, and that is covered in the interview too. This is another strike against the 2D.
Peter Gregg said:
Line-up:

1Ds MKII
1D MKII
2D
20D
Digital Rebel/300D-II
Digital Rebel Lite/200D
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No, not at this time. Canon is actually going to consolidate the 1D/1Ds lines in the next release cycle. After they have done that they might release the much-hoped-for "3D" to split the difference between the top-end non-pro model (20D) and the pro model (1D).

Personally I would love to have a 3D. I want a spot meter!! And I would like the 1/3 ISO option, better low light focusing, and a few other things. I don't want the huge 1 series body though, and I don't really need weather sealing either.

At PMA I expect to see a new 300D and maybe some new lenses... But I don't think we will see any major new product-line announcements.

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as you see in the interview, Mr. Iwashita says:

"At Canon we consider creating our DSLR product line to be like building a pyramid -- the top of the pyramid being our high-end bodies, and the bottom being our entry-level bodies."

"At the current time we do not see any merit in creating a 4th product layer in our pyramid. Personally I also feel that we have a very powerful lineup as things stand now. Our strategy at the moment is to continue with our current 3-layer pyramid, growing the market in this way."

and further...

"... For users who wish to make use of the full range of their EF lenses, full frame sensors are best. For those searching for the fastest frame rates, 1.3x is best. For the most cost-sensitive users, the APS-C 1.6x size is ideal."

from this we can deduce that the product pyramid’s 3 layers are defined by the sensor sizes, and 1D/1Ds won't be merged.

and currently Nikon's D2X may turn to be "the" problem for 1D MkII, and hence we should not expect 30 months before its replacement, but much much sooner =)

the 300D's end is quite near, and 350D will show up with the 8mp cmos... but that will be no news to anyone ...
 
Two differant digital rebels one being the same 6 meg and the other being 8 meg. The 6 meg will be pretty much like the current Rebel but be black in color with a reduced $500 price and the 8 meg will be a $900 to $1000 camera all plastic like Rebel but with a few more features than current Reble but less fram rate speed than 20D with less features. But with new focus system on the $1000 Rebel but the $500 Rebel with the current focus system it has now.

Heavy rumors on Nikon releasing a low cost D50 6 meg camera is why i think Canon will also have two Rebels. After all they have several film Rebels. Just my guess !!
 
SG2 said:
as you see in the interview, Mr. Iwashita says:
"At Canon we consider creating our DSLR product line to be like
building a pyramid -- the top of the pyramid being our high-end
bodies, and the bottom being our entry-level bodies."

"At the current time we do not see any merit in creating a 4th
product layer in our pyramid. Personally I also feel that we have a
very powerful lineup as things stand now. Our strategy at the
moment is to continue with our current 3-layer pyramid, growing the
market in this way."

and further...

"... For users who wish to make use of the full range of their EF
lenses, full frame sensors are best. For those searching for the
fastest frame rates, 1.3x is best. For the most cost-sensitive
users, the APS-C 1.6x size is ideal."
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Yes, I translated it myself... ;)
SG2 said:
from this we can deduce that the product pyramid’s 3 layers are
defined by the sensor sizes, and 1D/1Ds won't be merged.
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No, there is a later interview where Canon clearly states that the current 1-series models are the last ones that will split highest speed and highest quality. The interviewer specifically asked it that meant the next 1-series model would be both fast and have high quality/high pixel count, and the answer was yes. I highly doubt Canon will drop the full frame sensor, which means that 1.3x is an orphan.

Canon is the only company (besides Kodak's various attempts) pushing towards full frame digital sensors. It is becoming clear that 1.3x was the interm step between 1.6 and FF.
SG2 said:
and currently Nikon's D2X may turn to be "the" problem for 1D MkII,
and hence we should not expect 30 months before its replacement,
but much much sooner =)
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Only if Nikon can keep the noise down at higher ISOs, and their record for this is not good. I would not be surprised at all to see similar quality between 1DM2 ISO3200 and D2X ISO800. Time will tell. (I hope I am wrong -- good competition is what brings us better products at lower prices. I'm just not holding my breath.)
SG2 said:
the 300D's end is quite near, and 350D will show up with the 8mp
cmos... but that will be no news to anyone ...
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No idea what it will be called, but the fact that a replacement coming is apparent by the length of time the 300D has been on the market... And the fact that the D70 is a better-spec'd camera.

Ian
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