C1 is that it? Bibble is better.

cruel_world · Jan 17, 2005

You had how many months to pull it together? Reneged on how many deliver dates? Invested how much? And this is what you give us? It’s the same as 3.5 with 20D support and some bug fixes. No Usable noise suppression, No Highlight recovery.

Wow I’m glad you don’t work for me.

Bibble may have a way to come yet but I can tell they are trying. They have a fresh outlook on life with some real innovations. They do need to make some UI improvements to enhance workflow, but all the elements are there. And they have:

Printing
Proofing
Very Usable Noise Reduction
Very innovative highlight recovery
Great Batch Processes (For many functions not just development)
Color management

Not a spokesman for Bibble, But I knows a good thin when I sees one

Like wise

If it smells like … Tastes like …. Then its ….

Way to go Eric... LEts give the man a hand. He called it

--
William P. Russell

BryanS · Jan 17, 2005

cruel_world said:
It’s the same as 3.5 with 20D support and some bug fixes. No Usable
noise suppression, No Highlight recovery.

OK, that's your opinion of wanted features. I, for one, tried Bibble and couldn't figure out how to get the workflow to work for me. Where do the developed images go? No easy way to set that from what I could see. How about a few degree rotation? Cropping gridlines? Easy way to add cropping aspect ratios without having to call tech support to tell you to modify some file or something?

I tried Bibble, and tried to like it. It looks and feels too much like an amateur product and the highlight recovery is overrated IMO. I get much better final output and control with C1, and I'd lose too many features I can't live without to go to Bibble.

You like it? Fine. Use it. A thread like this is really counter-productive and devisive.

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BryanS

cruel_world · Jan 17, 2005

Phase One spent all this time doing what?

I like C1, It fits my workflow better then Bibble. However Bibble is making Progress. C1 Is not. Bibble is focused on RAW processing, Phase One is not.

Not counter-productive or devisive. What did I spend my money on and why. I would rather have a company listen and be proactive and responsive then just listen.

IMHO

William P, Russell

BryanS said:
cruel_world said:

It’s the same as 3.5 with 20D support and some bug fixes. No Usable
noise suppression, No Highlight recovery.

Click to expand...

OK, that's your opinion of wanted features. I, for one, tried
Bibble and couldn't figure out how to get the workflow to work for
me. Where do the developed images go? No easy way to set that
from what I could see. How about a few degree rotation? Cropping
gridlines? Easy way to add cropping aspect ratios without having
to call tech support to tell you to modify some file or something?

I tried Bibble, and tried to like it. It looks and feels too much
like an amateur product and the highlight recovery is overrated
IMO. I get much better final output and control with C1, and I'd
lose too many features I can't live without to go to Bibble.

You like it? Fine. Use it. A thread like this is really
counter-productive and devisive.

--
BryanS

--
William P. Russell
Canon 20D/10D - Corel PP - Epson 4000/2200 -C1 DSLR

Juli Valley · Jan 17, 2005

Well, I'm thrilled to have the new C1 version. I love the speed of the workflow.

Eric28757 · Jan 17, 2005

HI Brian,

BryanS said:
cruel_world said:

It’s the same as 3.5 with 20D support and some bug fixes. No Usable
noise suppression, No Highlight recovery.

Click to expand...

OK, that's your opinion of wanted features. I, for one, tried
Bibble and couldn't figure out how to get the workflow to work for
me. Where do the developed images go? No easy way to set that
from what I could see. How about a few degree rotation? Cropping
gridlines? Easy way to add cropping aspect ratios without having
to call tech support to tell you to modify some file or something?

The processed output goes exactly where you tell it to. If you are using our default batch queues, it asks you were you want to go the first tiem you use the queue. If Like C1, you want it to go to a fixed location, edit the batch queue and tell it to use said fixed location.. Right click the batch queue and choose settings to modify.

Few degree rotation? You got use there. We won't have that will 4.3 8)

Gridlines? Already in 4.2

Crop aspects, Wasn't something we anticipated folks wanting to make changes to that often, since we've found out otherwise, we will add the aillity to easily add them in program in a future version.

BryanS said:
I'd lose too many features I can't live without to go to Bibble.

What else do you feel is missing? We are commited to rapidly improving Bibble, and have no adgenda other than to make your life easier.

Eric

pdqgp · Jan 17, 2005

cruel_world said:
You had how many months to pull it together? Reneged on how many
deliver dates? Invested how much? And this is what you give us?
It’s the same as 3.5 with 20D support and some bug fixes. No Usable
noise suppression, No Highlight recovery.

Wow I’m glad you don’t work for me.

Bibble may have a way to come yet but I can tell they are trying.
They have a fresh outlook on life with some real innovations. They
do need to make some UI improvements to enhance workflow, but all
the elements are there. And they have:

Printing
Proofing
Very Usable Noise Reduction
Very innovative highlight recovery
Great Batch Processes (For many functions not just development)
Color management

Not a spokesman for Bibble, But I knows a good thin when I sees one

Like wise

If it smells like … Tastes like …. Then its ….

Way to go Eric... LEts give the man a hand. He called it

--
William P. Russell

--
-tim
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp

BryanS · Jan 17, 2005

cruel_world said:
Phase One spent all this time doing what?

In the same amount of time, how much has Bibble improved besides adding 20D support?

cruel_world said:
I like C1, It fits my workflow better then Bibble. However Bibble
is making Progress. C1 Is not.

This is silly. What improvements do you want? On my computer, the new C1 is about twice as fast and images are improved. Problems with yellows and reds have been addressed, and there are other improvements like expanded meta-data support that is highly welcomed.

Didn't realize we needed any more gee-whiz features or a major overhaul of the interface. It's a working product, guy. And if it fits your workflow, why in the world are you b1tching?

cruel_world said:
Bibble is focused on RAW processing,
Phase One is not.

Huh? You lost me there, guy.

cruel_world said:
Not counter-productive or devisive. What did I spend my money on
and why. I would rather have a company listen and be proactive and
responsive then just listen.

Yeah. Like that made any sense. Whatever.

--
BryanS

mister g · Jan 17, 2005

Juli Valley said:
Well, I'm thrilled to have the new C1 version. I love the speed of
the workflow.

And the rendering is beautiful!

--
MR G.

BryanS · Jan 17, 2005

Eric said:
The processed output goes exactly where you tell it to. If you are
using our default batch queues, it asks you were you want to go the
first tiem you use the queue. If Like C1, you want it to go to a
fixed location, edit the batch queue and tell it to use said fixed
location.. Right click the batch queue and choose settings to
modify.

Eric, we've been at this before. The processing location isn't obvious in the program setup. Also, I can see no way to set it so that it always creates a subdirectory under the RAW directory (automatically, so I don't have to tell it or name it). Both BreezeBrowser and C1 do this for me and after several attempts at finding how to get Bibble to do this, I've given up.

Eric28757 said:
Few degree rotation? You got use there. We won't have that will 4.3 8)

I'd rather have it now, thank you.

Eric28757 said:
Gridlines? Already in 4.2

Good.

Eric28757 said:
Crop aspects, Wasn't something we anticipated folks wanting to make
changes to that often, since we've found out otherwise, we will add
the aillity to easily add them in program in a future version.

Many pros want to do this as we send precropped images to the lab for processing.

Eric28757 said:
What else do you feel is missing? We are commited to rapidly
improving Bibble, and have no adgenda other than to make your life
easier.

Sounds good. Can you make it free to C1 Pro owners?

Seriously, though... add something that I absolutely can't do without that I don't have with C1 and make it affordable and I'll change. I've noticed that Bibble is far too heavy a load on my system resources while processing a batch. With C1, I can work in PS CS while a batch is processing away.

No offense, but your current version didn't do it for me, but I'll keep looking at each new version. BTW, the current version of C1 is faster than my last download of Bibble on my machine at processing RAWs.

--
BryanS

Eric28757 · Jan 17, 2005

BryanS said:
Eric, we've been at this before. The processing location isn't
obvious in the program setup. Also, I can see no way to set it so
that it always creates a subdirectory under the RAW directory
(automatically, so I don't have to tell it or name it). Both
BreezeBrowser and C1 do this for me and after several attempts at
finding how to get Bibble to do this, I've given up.

My apologies if I don't recall, as you've probably noticed, we are quite active in the forums and as such I don't recal each converstaion I've had.

Its very simple, open the batch settings for the queue in quesion, change the destiatnion from "ask" to relative, and enter the desried subdirectory name in the box (Ie processed), you will now have a processed subfolder under the source folder with your images in it.

BryanS said:
Few degree rotation? You got use there. We won't have that will 4.3 8)

I'd rather have it now, thank you.

So would I, but such is life 8) We I A betting man, I'd still be you get it before your next c1 Update

BryanS said:
BryanS said:

Crop aspects, Wasn't something we anticipated folks wanting to make
changes to that often, since we've found out otherwise, we will add
the aillity to easily add them in program in a future version.

Click to expand...

Many pros want to do this as we send precropped images to the lab
for processing.

Understood, and thats why its being added.

BryanS said:
Sounds good. Can you make it free to C1 Pro owners?

Not likley, but we might offer the competitive ugprdae again in the future 8)

BryanS said:
Seriously, though... add something that I absolutely can't do
without that I don't have with C1 and make it affordable and I'll
change. I've noticed that Bibble is far too heavy a load on my
system resources while processing a batch. With C1, I can work in
PS CS while a batch is processing away.
No offense, but your current version didn't do it for me, but I'll
keep looking at each new version. BTW, the current version of C1
is faster than my last download of Bibble on my machine at
processing RAWs.

Can you tell me more about your system as that shouldn't be the case. Any system I've tested on Bibble is 2-3x faster (And about 6x faster on the mac). The one caveat is that we use a lot of ram. If you didn't have a goodly amount of ram then it would actually be slower.

Eric

Al Pacheco · Jan 17, 2005

Here's a color sample if someone wants to convert it, crop it, and shrink it down to a jpeg.
http://www.botheyesopen.com/10DRaw.zip
I'd just like to see the default Bibble output, color-wise.

cruel_world said:
You had how many months to pull it together? Reneged on how many
deliver dates? Invested how much? And this is what you give us?
It’s the same as 3.5 with 20D support and some bug fixes. No Usable
noise suppression, No Highlight recovery.

Wow I’m glad you don’t work for me.

Bibble may have a way to come yet but I can tell they are trying.
They have a fresh outlook on life with some real innovations. They
do need to make some UI improvements to enhance workflow, but all
the elements are there. And they have:

Printing
Proofing
Very Usable Noise Reduction
Very innovative highlight recovery
Great Batch Processes (For many functions not just development)
Color management

Not a spokesman for Bibble, But I knows a good thin when I sees one

Like wise

If it smells like … Tastes like …. Then its ….

Way to go Eric... LEts give the man a hand. He called it

--
William P. Russell

Eric28757 · Jan 17, 2005

You can download the trial version and play to your hearts content Al, http://www.bibblelabs.com

Since your image is a color checked and I'm guessing you are guagein the colors by the numbers rahter than evaluating tone, set tone to coloriemtric to get a less contrasty image with more accurate colors.

Eric

Al Pacheco said:
cruel_world said:

You had how many months to pull it together? Reneged on how many
deliver dates? Invested how much? And this is what you give us?
It’s the same as 3.5 with 20D support and some bug fixes. No Usable
noise suppression, No Highlight recovery.

Wow I’m glad you don’t work for me.

Bibble may have a way to come yet but I can tell they are trying.
They have a fresh outlook on life with some real innovations. They
do need to make some UI improvements to enhance workflow, but all
the elements are there. And they have:

Printing
Proofing
Very Usable Noise Reduction
Very innovative highlight recovery
Great Batch Processes (For many functions not just development)
Color management

Not a spokesman for Bibble, But I knows a good thin when I sees one

Like wise

If it smells like … Tastes like …. Then its ….

Way to go Eric... LEts give the man a hand. He called it

--
William P. Russell

Click to expand...

BryanS · Jan 17, 2005

Eric said:
Its very simple, open the batch settings for the queue in quesion,
change the destiatnion from "ask" to relative, and enter the
desried subdirectory name in the box (Ie processed), you will now
have a processed subfolder under the source folder with your images
in it.

That's what I mean. I don't want to enter anything. Can't we have a setting to always create a directory underneath called "develops" or "processed"? I use Chris Breeze's Downloader Pro to create a new directory for my RAWs for each date.

Eric28757 said:
So would I, but such is life 8) We I A betting man, I'd still be
you get it before your next c1 Update

Sounds like a worthy challenge. I certainly won't buy until you have it, and I would need additional incentive to shell out more money when I have a program that I'm used to and is continuing to work for me.

What other "to die for" features are you planning that would get us salivating??

Eric28757 said:
Understood, and thats why its being added.

That's good. I thought you said you'd add it if enough people asked for it... or maybe I convinced you?

Eric28757 said:
Can you tell me more about your system as that shouldn't be the
case. Any system I've tested on Bibble is 2-3x faster (And about 6x
faster on the mac). The one caveat is that we use a lot of ram. If
you didn't have a goodly amount of ram then it would actually be
slower.

I have a 2 Ghz P4 with only 512MB of RAM. That last bit may be the problem, but hasn't been a problem with C1.

--
BryanS

cruel_world · Jan 17, 2005

Why dont you stop calling people names, and read everything again.

Whatever.

I'm ending this now,.

BryanS said:
cruel_world said:

Phase One spent all this time doing what?

Click to expand...

In the same amount of time, how much has Bibble improved besides
adding 20D support?

BryanS said:

I like C1, It fits my workflow better then Bibble. However Bibble
is making Progress. C1 Is not.

Click to expand...

This is silly. What improvements do you want? On my computer, the
new C1 is about twice as fast and images are improved. Problems
with yellows and reds have been addressed, and there are other
improvements like expanded meta-data support that is highly
welcomed.

Didn't realize we needed any more gee-whiz features or a major
overhaul of the interface. It's a working product, guy. And if it
fits your workflow, why in the world are you b1tching?

BryanS said:

Bibble is focused on RAW processing,
Phase One is not.

Click to expand...

Huh? You lost me there, guy.

BryanS said:

Not counter-productive or devisive. What did I spend my money on
and why. I would rather have a company listen and be proactive and
responsive then just listen.

Click to expand...

Yeah. Like that made any sense. Whatever.

--
BryanS

--
William P. Russell
Canon 20D/10D - Corel PP - Epson 4000/2200 -C1 DSLR

Eric28757 · Jan 17, 2005

BryanS said:
That's what I mean. I don't want to enter anything. Can't we have
a setting to always create a directory underneath called "develops"
or "processed"? I use Chris Breeze's Downloader Pro to create a
new directory for my RAWs for each date.

Perhaps I am bein unclear Bryan, If you make the change I am suggesting, It will always do as you are asking to without furhter input from you. Bibble doens't force you to work in a certain way, but does allow many differetn modalities.

So again, Right click the batch queue you are using, choose settings, change the destination from "ask" to relative, and entered "developed" or "processed" in the provided box, and that are done. From then on, it will fo exactly what you want.

BryanS said:
What other "to die for" features are you planning that would get us
salivating??

Well to Die for is certainly user specific, 4.2 will have many nifty things (Such as your crop lines)..> Ability to sort the browser by any image info, Tethering support for 20D, 1DM2 and 1DS2, new cameras etc. Like all updates we do, its a mixture of Bug Fixes, New Features, and New Cameras.

BryanS said:
That's good. I thought you said you'd add it if enough people
asked for it... or maybe I convinced you?

Not sure if it was you Bryan, its just part of the way we do business. We actively listen to our users (And even folks who aren;t users), and rapdily apply their feedback to make the program better. Its part of what has made us succesful for the last 5 years.

BryanS said:
I have a 2 Ghz P4 with only 512MB of RAM. That last bit may be the
problem, but hasn't been a problem with C1.

512 should be enough to do 20d images quickly unless you have other things going on. Let us know if the problem persists next time we have a version that tempts you enough to try it.

Eric

BryanS · Jan 17, 2005

cruel_world said:
Why dont you stop calling people names, and read everything again.

Didn't realize I called you a name. I did call you, "guy." Did that bother you?

cruel_world said:
I'm ending this now,.

Promise?

--
BryanS

Al Pacheco · Jan 17, 2005

I don't have a machine that will run Bibble yet.I use 1.2 gHz AMD on W2k. I'll probably be setting one up soon as the new release of C1 hasn't fixed any of the problems for 10D users.

Eric said:
Since your image is a color checked and I'm guessing you are
guagein the colors by the numbers rahter than evaluating tone, set
tone to coloriemtric to get a less contrasty image with more
accurate colors.

Eric

Al Pacheco said:

cruel_world said:

You had how many months to pull it together? Reneged on how many
deliver dates? Invested how much? And this is what you give us?
It’s the same as 3.5 with 20D support and some bug fixes. No Usable
noise suppression, No Highlight recovery.

Wow I’m glad you don’t work for me.

Bibble may have a way to come yet but I can tell they are trying.
They have a fresh outlook on life with some real innovations. They
do need to make some UI improvements to enhance workflow, but all
the elements are there. And they have:

Printing
Proofing
Very Usable Noise Reduction
Very innovative highlight recovery
Great Batch Processes (For many functions not just development)
Color management

Not a spokesman for Bibble, But I knows a good thin when I sees one

Like wise

If it smells like … Tastes like …. Then its ….

Way to go Eric... LEts give the man a hand. He called it

--
William P. Russell

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ScaryFlyingMonkey · Jan 17, 2005

People need to quit whining about C1 already. Jeez.

Bibble your heart out, buddy. Whatever floats your boat.

Alfonso Bastias · Jan 17, 2005

cruel_world said:
You had how many months to pull it together? Reneged on how many
deliver dates? Invested how much? And this is what you give us?
It’s the same as 3.5 with 20D support and some bug fixes. No Usable
noise suppression, No Highlight recovery.

Wow I’m glad you don’t work for me.

Bibble may have a way to come yet but I can tell they are trying.
They have a fresh outlook on life with some real innovations. They
do need to make some UI improvements to enhance workflow, but all
the elements are there. And they have:

Printing
Proofing
Very Usable Noise Reduction
Very innovative highlight recovery
Great Batch Processes (For many functions not just development)
Color management

Not a spokesman for Bibble, But I knows a good thin when I sees one

Like wise

If it smells like … Tastes like …. Then its ….

Way to go Eric... LEts give the man a hand. He called it

--
William P. Russell

--
Alfonso
http://www.pbase.com/bastias

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