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i know i've seen this come up before, and have searched for it without any luck. please excuse yet another redundant post...

what are the "rules" for taking photos of people in public? if i go to the farmers market and take some candids of (unknowing) people, am i allowed to post those shots in my gallery? what about children in public? i'm pretty sure that it's fine... since the paparazzi obviously don't need release forms!

i think people make fantastic subjects, but i find it difficult to get good candids. any tips form the pros?

thanks!

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You are allowed to take photos of anyone you want as long as you are on your land, or public land, and are not violating a reasonable expectation of privacy. (so taking photos from your attic window of the neighbor in the shower through their small window is a no-no.

STILL...you must obtain a model release for ANY recognizable person before you can publish the shot or sell it. For non-commercial personal use, you can do whatever you want, but I would not post it and definitely wouldn't sell it. The paparazzi get around this because celebrities are not covered under the law in this manner because they are viewed to be 'public figures' and therefore newsworth individuals. To restrict the photography of these individuals would inhibit freedom of the press.

Events usually consider the purchase of a ticket as a model release, thus they can use the picture of you at a football game without your consent, etc.
i know i've seen this come up before, and have searched for it
without any luck. please excuse yet another redundant post...

what are the "rules" for taking photos of people in public? if i
go to the farmers market and take some candids of (unknowing)
people, am i allowed to post those shots in my gallery? what about
children in public? i'm pretty sure that it's fine... since the
paparazzi obviously don't need release forms!

i think people make fantastic subjects, but i find it difficult to
get good candids. any tips form the pros?

thanks!

--
http://www.photoflavor.com
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http://www.jordansteele.com
 
First off, you can photograph anyone anywhere in an area where they don't have what's known as a "reasonable expectation of privacy." This means any area accessible to the public, not including areas like dressing rooms, toilets, changing rooms etc. etc. Obviously private areas like homes, yards with hedges or fences tall enough to block site etc. are not "public."

However, publishing the photos is a bit different -- it's generally one big gray area. Using such an image for commercial purposes, e.g. to sell orange juice, requires permission from the model -- a model release. However, publishing it for editorial or artistic purposes is more or less OK, as long as the individual isn't portrayed in a bad light. Celebrities have less protection than other individuals, so while you would probably get away with selling snapshots of Britney Spears sunbathing topless (assuming she was on a public beach), you would get in trouble publishing pictures of your non-celebrity neighbor in the same circumstances.

The trouble is that there is no unambiguous rule about what's OK to publish and what's not. In general, if they're private individuals, the rules are on their side. However, street photography is a genre that's very much alive and well, and it couldn't happen if you had to get a model release for everybody every time. Most street photogs take their chances and publish or exhibit their work without asking the people portrayed (but keep in mind the bit about not showing them in a bad light). In practice, people very very VERY rarely complain; in fact often quite the contrary. (One very prolific street photog I talked to, who's shot maybe 50,000 frames over the past seven years and exhibited thousands of them on the Web, in publications, and in galleries said that he's been contacted twice -- and in both cases it was because the people in the picture liked the shot so much they wanted to have a copy.)

As long as you're not guilty of libel or slander (remember the bit about not portraying people in a bad light), you can't get into REALLY big trouble. I remember a case of a travel photog brazenly using a picture of just some (recognizable) people on a beach in a commercial brochure for a travel company. The people sued, and settled for half of what the photog got paid for the photo -- which ended up as about $150, IIRC: nowhere near to covering even their legal fees. So basically if someone does complain about a pic on your website and you agree to take it down, you can't get into too much trouble.

So, in a nutshell: yeah, you can photograph pretty much whatever you want, and yeah, you can publish or exhibit it on your website or elsewhere as long as (1) it's not for blatantly commercial purposes and (2) the people aren't portrayed in a bad light.

So, how to go about it? Know your gear so you can use it confidently and easily, be casual, friendly, and open about it, don't be shy, participate and interact with the people you're photographing, if someone catches your eye, smile; if someone asks you what you're doing, explain. It might not hurt to keep some samples of your work around if that'll help you explain yourself, and it won't hurt if you'll offer to delete the photos if they're bothered by being in them.

Petteri
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Me on photography: [ http://www.prime-junta.tk ]
Me on politics: [ http://p-on-p.blogspot.com/ ]
 
The "rules" are simple.

Imagine seeing someone you don't know pointing a camera at your wife and kids.

Those are the rules..

As for sneaking photos of unknowing subjects, please look up the word "voyeur" when you get a chance.

"Sneaking" pictures is rude. It is also very easy. More difficult is approaching your intended subject and getting to know him/her a bit. Taking photos should be a part of that process.

I dont mean to be rude, or to incite, but I do feel strongly about this.

Regards
i know i've seen this come up before, and have searched for it
without any luck. please excuse yet another redundant post...

what are the "rules" for taking photos of people in public? if i
go to the farmers market and take some candids of (unknowing)
people, am i allowed to post those shots in my gallery? what about
children in public? i'm pretty sure that it's fine... since the
paparazzi obviously don't need release forms!

i think people make fantastic subjects, but i find it difficult to
get good candids. any tips form the pros?

thanks!

--
http://www.photoflavor.com
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
 
maybe you don't mean to be rude - but telling me to look up the word "voyeur" is pretty obnoxious. i'm not being a voyeur or "sneaking" photos. i'm simply trying to capture CANDID moments in public. it's almost impossible to get a natural candid shot if you approach someone first.

i wouldn't call taking a photo of a man picking out strawberries from a fruit stand as being a voyeur.
Imagine seeing someone you don't know pointing a camera at your
wife and kids.

Those are the rules..

As for sneaking photos of unknowing subjects, please look up the
word "voyeur" when you get a chance.

"Sneaking" pictures is rude. It is also very easy. More difficult
is approaching your intended subject and getting to know him/her a
bit. Taking photos should be a part of that process.

I dont mean to be rude, or to incite, but I do feel strongly about
this.

Regards
i know i've seen this come up before, and have searched for it
without any luck. please excuse yet another redundant post...

what are the "rules" for taking photos of people in public? if i
go to the farmers market and take some candids of (unknowing)
people, am i allowed to post those shots in my gallery? what about
children in public? i'm pretty sure that it's fine... since the
paparazzi obviously don't need release forms!

i think people make fantastic subjects, but i find it difficult to
get good candids. any tips form the pros?

thanks!

--
http://www.photoflavor.com
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
--
http://www.photoflavor.com
 
Dignity and respect do not preclude candid photography.

I agree, though, that sneakiness is a bad idea. Do what you do openly; if someone minds, they'll let you know or get out of the way. And if you do it casually, nobody will mind.

Petteri
--
Me on photography: [ http://www.prime-junta.tk ]
Me on politics: [ http://p-on-p.blogspot.com/ ]
 
It would really bother me if I found someone taking candid shots of me or my family whether they were doing it casually or not. I'm a very private person so I'm probably in the small minority.
Dignity and respect do not preclude candid photography.

I agree, though, that sneakiness is a bad idea. Do what you do
openly; if someone minds, they'll let you know or get out of the
way. And if you do it casually, nobody will mind.

Petteri
 
It would really bother me if I found someone taking candid shots of
me or my family whether they were doing it casually or not. I'm a
very private person so I'm probably in the small minority.
You probably are. And if you saw me taking street shots and made it clear to me that you don't want your picture taken (by word or gesture), I wouldn't take it. But I would assume that the default position is not minding.

After all, if you live in even a small town, you're going to be on a surveillance camera almost all of the time.

Petteri
--
Me on photography: [ http://www.prime-junta.tk ]
Me on politics: [ http://p-on-p.blogspot.com/ ]
 
Say you'd shot 5 pictures of my family and I finally noticed that you were taking pictures of us on your 6th shot. If I asked you to delete them all, would you?
You probably are. And if you saw me taking street shots and made it
clear to me that you don't want your picture taken (by word or
gesture), I wouldn't take it. But I would assume that the default
position is not minding.

After all, if you live in even a small town, you're going to be on
a surveillance camera almost all of the time.

Petteri
 
I could delte them in front of you...then go home and still recover them quite easily. Interesting discourse here though. I kinnda think I would mind if you were taking pix of my fam. I don't feel a bunch of guys out playin ball together would care at all.

Bric
You probably are. And if you saw me taking street shots and made it
clear to me that you don't want your picture taken (by word or
gesture), I wouldn't take it. But I would assume that the default
position is not minding.

After all, if you live in even a small town, you're going to be on
a surveillance camera almost all of the time.

Petteri
--
Photo Gallery @ http://www.therothenbergers.com/gallery
 
Say you'd shot 5 pictures of my family and I finally noticed that
you were taking pictures of us on your 6th shot. If I asked you to
delete them all, would you?
Yes I would delete them.. While Candid Photog is completely legal (when following the guidelines and laws).. I feel there is a fine line that shouldn't be crossed... And if someone doesn't want their picture taken or asks me to delete it that is the fine line and I will delete them or if using film I will destroy the negative and prints. Most people really don't mind.. especially if you give them a card and offer them a print or something afterwords if they confront you. As for Releases.. if you want to feel more comfortable.. take the candid.. then confront them.. introduce yourself.. offer them a print.. and ask for a release... that way you have a release.. the shot is still Candid... they are happy.. you are happy ;)

--
We are all just Plagiarists of a real Artist, and her name is Mother Nature.
 
If you look professional with a big "L" lens pointing at them, people may shy away.

If you look like a tourist having fun, people will be more natural, and in many instances, more willing to pose for you!

I have many friends who prefer smaller rangefinder cameras for street photograpgy since the average person thinks they're old film "tourist" cameras.
Imagine seeing someone you don't know pointing a camera at your
wife and kids.

Those are the rules..

As for sneaking photos of unknowing subjects, please look up the
word "voyeur" when you get a chance.

"Sneaking" pictures is rude. It is also very easy. More difficult
is approaching your intended subject and getting to know him/her a
bit. Taking photos should be a part of that process.

I dont mean to be rude, or to incite, but I do feel strongly about
this.

Regards
i know i've seen this come up before, and have searched for it
without any luck. please excuse yet another redundant post...

what are the "rules" for taking photos of people in public? if i
go to the farmers market and take some candids of (unknowing)
people, am i allowed to post those shots in my gallery? what about
children in public? i'm pretty sure that it's fine... since the
paparazzi obviously don't need release forms!

i think people make fantastic subjects, but i find it difficult to
get good candids. any tips form the pros?

thanks!

--
http://www.photoflavor.com
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
 
you know, I've always wondered if TV Networks ever got sued when they run their special segments on "Obecity in America". The always have about 5 mintues of video of overweight people walking down the street (from behind - no faces). I always wondered if anyone recognized their own rear... :)

If you know what I'm talking about, then I think that's about as fine a line as you could ever draw between vouyerism and journalism. :)
i wouldn't call taking a photo of a man picking out strawberries
from a fruit stand as being a voyeur.
Imagine seeing someone you don't know pointing a camera at your
wife and kids.

Those are the rules..

As for sneaking photos of unknowing subjects, please look up the
word "voyeur" when you get a chance.

"Sneaking" pictures is rude. It is also very easy. More difficult
is approaching your intended subject and getting to know him/her a
bit. Taking photos should be a part of that process.

I dont mean to be rude, or to incite, but I do feel strongly about
this.

Regards
i know i've seen this come up before, and have searched for it
without any luck. please excuse yet another redundant post...

what are the "rules" for taking photos of people in public? if i
go to the farmers market and take some candids of (unknowing)
people, am i allowed to post those shots in my gallery? what about
children in public? i'm pretty sure that it's fine... since the
paparazzi obviously don't need release forms!

i think people make fantastic subjects, but i find it difficult to
get good candids. any tips form the pros?

thanks!

--
http://www.photoflavor.com
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
--
http://www.photoflavor.com
 
The "rules" are simple.

Imagine seeing someone you don't know pointing a camera at your
wife and kids.
I have neither, so I'll substitute "family." I usually smile and wave, then resume whatever I was doing so I don't ruin the shot.
As for sneaking photos of unknowing subjects, please look up the
word "voyeur" when you get a chance.
Doesn't apply to most candid photographers.
"Sneaking" pictures is rude. It is also very easy. More difficult
is approaching your intended subject and getting to know him/her a
bit. Taking photos should be a part of that process.
The minute the subject is aware of the shot, it is no longer candid. It can be semi-candid, or candid-like, but not candid. Rudeness is relative, and I put art before manners. Finally, there is nothing easy about candids! Taking good candids is hard work.
I dont mean to be rude, or to incite, but I do feel strongly about
this.
Just understand that some people have strong feelings that happen to disagree with yours.

--
Pat
'Share art, not greed.'
http://www.patcroteau.com
 
I didn't call you a voyeur. What I suggested was that, by the definition of the word, capturing images of unknowing subjects was voyeuristic.

Which it is...

Here's the acid test-

If you're OK with someone you don't know photographing you or your family then go ahead and snap away.

I see some guy taking pics of my 6 year old neice I promise you I would scare the living sh*t out of the guy and absolutely, positively ruin his day. Anyone who knows me knows this is true. There are people out there who would go farther than me. I would be satisfied making you pisss your pants. There are worse people than me roaming the streets..

Which is probably why you dont see many people like me (6'2", 285lbs) as "street photography" subjects..
i wouldn't call taking a photo of a man picking out strawberries
from a fruit stand as being a voyeur.
Imagine seeing someone you don't know pointing a camera at your
wife and kids.

Those are the rules..

As for sneaking photos of unknowing subjects, please look up the
word "voyeur" when you get a chance.

"Sneaking" pictures is rude. It is also very easy. More difficult
is approaching your intended subject and getting to know him/her a
bit. Taking photos should be a part of that process.

I dont mean to be rude, or to incite, but I do feel strongly about
this.

Regards
i know i've seen this come up before, and have searched for it
without any luck. please excuse yet another redundant post...

what are the "rules" for taking photos of people in public? if i
go to the farmers market and take some candids of (unknowing)
people, am i allowed to post those shots in my gallery? what about
children in public? i'm pretty sure that it's fine... since the
paparazzi obviously don't need release forms!

i think people make fantastic subjects, but i find it difficult to
get good candids. any tips form the pros?

thanks!

--
http://www.photoflavor.com
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
--
http://www.photoflavor.com
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
 
capturing images of unknowing subjects isn't usually voyeurism. see the definition:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=voyeur

you want to scare the sh*t out of someone, ruin their day, and make them pisss themselves for snapping a few photos? interesting.

next time i'm shooting street candids i'll make sure i've got running shoes on! ;)

by the way, you've got some great shots in your gallery.
Which it is...

Here's the acid test-

If you're OK with someone you don't know photographing you or your
family then go ahead and snap away.

I see some guy taking pics of my 6 year old neice I promise you I
would scare the living sh*t out of the guy and absolutely,
positively ruin his day. Anyone who knows me knows this is true.
There are people out there who would go farther than me. I would be
satisfied making you pisss your pants. There are worse people than
me roaming the streets..

Which is probably why you dont see many people like me (6'2",
285lbs) as "street photography" subjects..
i wouldn't call taking a photo of a man picking out strawberries
from a fruit stand as being a voyeur.
Imagine seeing someone you don't know pointing a camera at your
wife and kids.

Those are the rules..

As for sneaking photos of unknowing subjects, please look up the
word "voyeur" when you get a chance.

"Sneaking" pictures is rude. It is also very easy. More difficult
is approaching your intended subject and getting to know him/her a
bit. Taking photos should be a part of that process.

I dont mean to be rude, or to incite, but I do feel strongly about
this.

Regards
i know i've seen this come up before, and have searched for it
without any luck. please excuse yet another redundant post...

what are the "rules" for taking photos of people in public? if i
go to the farmers market and take some candids of (unknowing)
people, am i allowed to post those shots in my gallery? what about
children in public? i'm pretty sure that it's fine... since the
paparazzi obviously don't need release forms!

i think people make fantastic subjects, but i find it difficult to
get good candids. any tips form the pros?

thanks!

--
http://www.photoflavor.com
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
--
http://www.photoflavor.com
--
rich
http://www.photoallure.com

'I'm not such a bad guy
once you get to know me'
-Agent Smith
--
http://www.photoflavor.com
 
Which is probably why you dont see many people like me (6'2",
285lbs) as "street photography" subjects..
I have quite considerable appearance too ... and I love street photography ;-)))

It is curious and entertaining to read your opinions in our age of total surveillance with close cirquits and such in just about every public place ...

Besides, if you do not want to limit yourself to studio shots and landscapes, people will inevitably creep into your pictures, even if your primary aim is just to shoot architecture

Welcome to have a look at some of my galleries of street photography

--
Regards

alexeig

http://www.pbase.com/alexeig
 

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