wow, can't believe this!

Jason Hutchinson · Jan 9, 2005

chriscupp said:
This is the same image from MS Picture and fax viewer and IE6.

IE6 is on the right and MS is on the right.

Is there a way to fix this? Maybe I can change the color space in
my canon...

Sure, if you switch your camera and workflow to sRGB then this will never happen. Quite simply this is IE6 not knowing how to handle an aRGB image but MS Picture and Fax Viewer does . That's all it is, I see the same thing on my machine. This is a big part of why people say over and over again to use sRGB for the web.

Jason

chriscupp · Jan 9, 2005

my setting on the camera is sRGB, I also think that's what my proflie is in pscs. I'll double check though.
Thanks a lot!

chris

Jason Hutchinson said:
chriscupp said:

This is the same image from MS Picture and fax viewer and IE6.

IE6 is on the right and MS is on the right.

Is there a way to fix this? Maybe I can change the color space in
my canon...

Click to expand...

Sure, if you switch your camera and workflow to sRGB then this will
never happen. Quite simply this is IE6 not knowing how to handle
an aRGB image but MS Picture and Fax Viewer does . That's all it
is, I see the same thing on my machine. This is a big part of why
people say over and over again to use sRGB for the web.

Jason

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http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

Daniella68313 · Jan 9, 2005

I seee the same photo. not sure what you mean.

chriscupp said:
picture of my friend that I uploaded to my web address:

exact same picture uploaded to pbase

http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp/image/38429759/original

is it me or is the image totally changed? It seems the color has
totally shifted and I hate the image on pbase...
please correct me if I am wrong. I haven't calibrated my monitor
in a couple of months so maybe it's off??

just curious.

chris

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

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Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel

Please do not start new thread for private message to me but send them to me via email instead! thanks.

Daniella68313 · Jan 9, 2005

chriscupp said:
chriscupp said:

picture of my friend that I uploaded to my web address:

exact same picture uploaded to pbase

is it me or is the image totally changed? It seems the color has
totally shifted and I hate the image on pbase...
please correct me if I am wrong. I haven't calibrated my monitor
in a couple of months so maybe it's off??

just curious.

chris

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

Click to expand...

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

--
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this is elfe language from Lord of the ring:
Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel

Please do not start new thread for private message to me but send them to me via email instead! thanks.

Jason Hutchinson · Jan 9, 2005

Daniella said:
I seee the same photo. not sure what you mean.

You have a way of coming into a thread late and ignoring all the progress it has made. I wouldn't mention it but it happens a lot.

So, the question is are you seeing the ugly green cast photo like on the left, or the nice skin tones on the right? If you're seeing the left you're seeing it in the wrong color space and if you're seeing the right side you're seeing the right color space.

nallA · Jan 9, 2005

The pbase photo has some blurring around the earlobe and earring along with being slighty darker. I think it depends on the monitor your using as to whether you see differences or not.

Allan

chriscupp said:
picture of my friend that I uploaded to my web address:

exact same picture uploaded to pbase

http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp/image/38429759/original

is it me or is the image totally changed? It seems the color has
totally shifted and I hate the image on pbase...
please correct me if I am wrong. I haven't calibrated my monitor
in a couple of months so maybe it's off??

just curious.

chris

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

Tony SD · Jan 9, 2005

of people have reported - that we don't see a HUGE difference (if any) between the two pictures.

So she has responded 14hrs after the original post. This is forbidden by the forum police?

The thread hasn't made any significant progress at all! Most people simply don't see any difference.

Jason Hutchinson said:
Daniella said:

I seee the same photo. not sure what you mean.

Click to expand...

You have a way of coming into a thread late and ignoring all the
progress it has made. I wouldn't mention it but it happens a lot.

So, the question is are you seeing the ugly green cast photo like
on the left, or the nice skin tones on the right? If you're seeing
the left you're seeing it in the wrong color space and if you're
seeing the right side you're seeing the right color space.

--
TonySD

Daniella68313 · Jan 9, 2005

like I said, they look IDENTICAL to me..despite what has been said earlier in this thread. late or no late.

Jason Hutchinson said:
Daniella said:

I seee the same photo. not sure what you mean.

Click to expand...

You have a way of coming into a thread late and ignoring all the
progress it has made. I wouldn't mention it but it happens a lot.

So, the question is are you seeing the ugly green cast photo like
on the left, or the nice skin tones on the right? If you're seeing
the left you're seeing it in the wrong color space and if you're
seeing the right side you're seeing the right color space.

--
------------------------------------------
this is elfe language from Lord of the ring:
Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel

Please do not start new thread for private message to me but send them to me via email instead! thanks.

Jason Hutchinson · Jan 9, 2005

Tony SD said:
of people have reported - that we don't see a HUGE difference (if
any) between the two pictures.

So she has responded 14hrs after the original post. This is
forbidden by the forum police?

The thread hasn't made any significant progress at all! Most
people simply don't see any difference.

No progress? Well, more than one person has reported that the two files original linked are in fact the same files:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=11760259

At this point given you're looking at the same exact files it is time to dig a bit deeper. A few posters did that, and then the original poster posted this:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=11761516

So obviously we're looking at a color profile issue, which another poster had mentioned much earlier. This is progress.

Then you have the post:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=11760280

Which explains why some people might not be merely seeing things, but using the link provided wrong as in this case:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=11765673

Jason

Jason Hutchinson · Jan 9, 2005

Daniella said:
like I said, they look IDENTICAL to me..despite what has been said
earlier in this thread. late or no late.

That's because the two files are identical, every pixel, every exif tag, every bit of every byte is the same. Same checksum, same everything. There are other issues at work here which is the current focus.

Jason

dov38 · Jan 9, 2005

i love that pic its not to warm what flash did you use .my pics olwayes come out to warm and redish

chriscupp said:
picture of my friend that I uploaded to my web address:

exact same picture uploaded to pbase

http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp/image/38429759/original

is it me or is the image totally changed? It seems the color has
totally shifted and I hate the image on pbase...
please correct me if I am wrong. I haven't calibrated my monitor
in a couple of months so maybe it's off??

just curious.

chris

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

junkycosmos · Jan 9, 2005

I can see the difference ..

Did you set Pbase to do anything to your original ?

Either in "upload processing" or "Original Image Processing"

http://www.pbase.com/help/image_processing

chriscupp · Jan 9, 2005

I did not have them do any processing to my photo. I prefer to do all my own work.

chris

junkycosmos said:
I can see the difference ..

Did you set Pbase to do anything to your original ?

Either in "upload processing" or "Original Image Processing"

http://www.pbase.com/help/image_processing

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http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

chriscupp · Jan 9, 2005

I used the Canon 550Ex flash and bounced it from the celing.

I'm glad you like the photo

chris

dov38 said:
chriscupp said:

picture of my friend that I uploaded to my web address:

exact same picture uploaded to pbase

http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp/image/38429759/original

is it me or is the image totally changed? It seems the color has
totally shifted and I hate the image on pbase...
please correct me if I am wrong. I haven't calibrated my monitor
in a couple of months so maybe it's off??

just curious.

chris

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

Click to expand...

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

chriscupp · Jan 9, 2005

Just look at this image and tell me if there is a difference, I see one quite clearly.

My color profile on my 20D is set for sRGB and so is my color profile in PSCS. I don't know how the profiling could be messed in the uploading process.
Anyone have any ideas???

chris

Daniella68313 · Jan 9, 2005

Jason Hutchinson said:
No progress? Well, more than one person has reported that the two
files original linked are in fact the same files:

it does not matter what other people have said and see. I see them as identical and I have said so..if you are not happy just skip reading my posts..that is even easier I beleive.

Jason Hutchinson said:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=11760259

At this point given you're looking at the same exact files it is
time to dig a bit deeper. A few posters did that, and then the
original poster posted this:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=11761516

So obviously we're looking at a color profile issue, which another
poster had mentioned much earlier. This is progress.

Then you have the post:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=11760280

Which explains why some people might not be merely seeing things,
but using the link provided wrong as in this case:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=11765673

Jason

--
------------------------------------------
this is elfe language from Lord of the ring:
Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel

Please do not start new thread for private message to me but send them to me via email instead! thanks.

Al Pacheco · Jan 9, 2005

Color management is not an option with a digital camera. You must be aware of it and how every aspect of your imaging pipeline is configured.
The images you posted are not in sRGB, they are tagged with Adobe RGB.

The web is NOT color managed so the best you can do to mimic your browser is to CONVERT your images to sRGB for posting to the web.
If you simply ASSIGN the profile you end up with the effect you are seeing.

chriscupp said:
Just look at this image and tell me if there is a difference, I see
one quite clearly.

My color profile on my 20D is set for sRGB and so is my color
profile in PSCS. I don't know how the profiling could be messed in
the uploading process.
Anyone have any ideas???

chris

Al Pacheco · Jan 9, 2005

If you take your image and simply assign sRGB, which is what everybody's web browsers, including yours, are doing, you'll be "redefining the values in the image and how they are displayed. But if you convert the image, which is in Adobe RGB, to sRGB it will have a better chance of being seen the way you intended. The following is all in sRGB but you should be able to see the difference. The first image is your friend being Assigned sRGB. In the second, she's been Converted. The third shows how a little color balance adjustment is easier to do in Adobe RGB to null out the yellow flash effect. Skin hue "usually" looks better when the hue value is less than 20. sRGB is way too high.

PaulyOly · Jan 9, 2005

Al Pacheco said:
chriscupp said:

Just look at this image and tell me if there is a difference, I see
one quite clearly.

My color profile on my 20D is set for sRGB and so is my color
profile in PSCS. I don't know how the profiling could be messed in
the uploading process.
Anyone have any ideas???

chris

Click to expand...

I clearly see a color difference in the above pic, with the left side looking more yellowish. So is his original picture taken in srgb or rgb? I never see a problem like this, but my pics in photoshop elements look darker or have more contrast than the pic displayed on pbase. I still haven't figured that out, I assume it has to do with color space. I use photoshop elements and don't believe I can change the color space or is it profile?

I did not see a difference in the orginal post and I still don't.
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Narrow depth of field ahead
Use extreme caution

http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/root

chriscupp · Jan 9, 2005

Thanks, Al!

I will look into photoshop tonight after work sometime.
I appreciate you clearing it up for me.

chris

Al Pacheco said:
If you take your image and simply assign sRGB, which is what
everybody's web browsers, including yours, are doing, you'll be
"redefining the values in the image and how they are displayed. But
if you convert the image, which is in Adobe RGB, to sRGB it will
have a better chance of being seen the way you intended. The
following is all in sRGB but you should be able to see the
difference. The first image is your friend being Assigned sRGB. In
the second, she's been Converted. The third shows how a little
color balance adjustment is easier to do in Adobe RGB to null out
the yellow flash effect. Skin hue "usually" looks better when the
hue value is less than 20. sRGB is way too high.

--
http://www.pbase.com/chriscupp

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