NIKON D1x adobe RGB or SRGB?

Lorenzo Ceva said:

I am an Italian Photographer and I just brougt the new D1x after 18
month of using the D1.
My question is why if i use SRGB my pictures are always with too
strong color specially skins which are alvays reddish.
The only way to have good color is to use ADOBE RGB this is
visibile also on the monitor of the camera and also viewing the
images with nikon view3 or with photoshop 6.
--
lorenzo ceva

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Allan Lochert said:

Are you sure about your PhotoShop setup? I've experimented a bit
with the sRGB vs Adobe settings and it's not yet clear to me how
the color calibration should be done to get the correct
look/profile on both camera and print. Setting Adobe RGB as a
custom Proof profile and view proof colors appears to work.

-Allan

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Lorenzo Ceva said:

Sorry for my English but I am doing the best I can do!

Lorenzo

Allan Lochert said:

Are you sure about your PhotoShop setup? I've experimented a bit
with the sRGB vs Adobe settings and it's not yet clear to me how
the color calibration should be done to get the correct
look/profile on both camera and print. Setting Adobe RGB as a
custom Proof profile and view proof colors appears to work.

-Allan

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bernard said:

Lorenzo,

What sofware do you use for raw files fom D1X? nikon capture 2 ?

sRGB is a narrow color space vs adobe 1998.

Bernard

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Lorenzo ceva said:

bernard said:

Lorenzo,

What sofware do you use for raw files fom D1X? nikon capture 2 ?

sRGB is a narrow color space vs adobe 1998.

Bernard

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I use the plug in for photoshop given with the camera and it works
very well specially because with D1 X the unshurp mask used by the
camera is reported in raw files.

I will try NIKON capture 2 soon as possible hoping that it works
faster then the first relese.

LOrenzo

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Stephen Livick said:

The D1x is shipped with the SRGB set as the default you must select
colour mode 2 (Adobe RGB) before you do any critical shooting.

This from Bjorn Rorslett in Norway!

Stephen

Stephen Livick said:

bernard said:

Lorenzo,

What sofware do you use for raw files fom D1X? nikon capture 2 ?

sRGB is a narrow color space vs adobe 1998.

Bernard

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I use the plug in for photoshop given with the camera and it works
very well specially because with D1 X the unshurp mask used by the
camera is reported in raw files.

I will try NIKON capture 2 soon as possible hoping that it works
faster then the first relese.

LOrenzo

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Tom Klinc said:

sRGB je a narrow gamut color profile promoted by Hewlett-Packard
and Microsoft, suitable for web and display on monitors; it is
inadequate for any kind of printing.

Adobe RGB (1998), introduced in Adobe Photoshop v.5, has a much
larger gamut and is the preferred color profile for ink jet
printers.

Adobe Photoshop v.6.0.1, the de facto industry standard image
editor, can convert sRGB to Adobe RGB(1998) and to many other ICC
profiles.

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Lorenzo Ceva said:

I am an Italian Photographer and I just brougt the new D1x after 18
month of using the D1.
My question is why if i use SRGB my pictures are always with too
strong color specially skins which are alvays reddish.
The only way to have good color is to use ADOBE RGB this is
visibile also on the monitor of the camera and also viewing the
images with nikon view3 or with photoshop 6.
--
lorenzo ceva

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Stanton said:

I am not convinced that your system and/or Photoshop is set up
properly. There are a few thing I need to know to advise you:

1) Which computer platform and operating system are you using?
2) Is your monitor calibrated and profiled?
3) What is the color temperature and gamma of your monitor?
4) Which version of Photoshop are you using?

For this time, I will assume your computer/monitor are set up
properly, assume you are on a PC (not Mac) and your gamma is set to
2.2 and your color temperature is somewhere between 6500°k and
9300°, and assume you are using Photoshop 6. If you aren't
calibrated and profiled, at least set up your monitor using Adobe
Gamma.

In the Color Settings of Photoshop, make sure your working space is
set to AdobeRGB. DO NOT USE sRGB under ANY circumstances. Under
"Color Management Policies", select "Convert to Working RGB". Check
all the boxes in that section to ASK when there is a profile
mismatch or missing profile.

Now, when you open your sRGB image under these conditions, I will
assume that the image will be "untagged" (no profile embedded).
NOTE: It is one thing to have an image in a particular color space,
but quite another to have the profile embedded (tagged). Can I
assume that the D1x writes in sRBG but doesn't tag the image? The
reason you get ICC profiles with NEF images is because Capture or
Bibble ASSIGN the profiles and embed them in the files.

If the above is true, you will get a dialog box asking you do to
make a decision. You can leave it as is (Don't Color Manage),
assign AdobeRGB profile (don't do this if it is an sRGB image) or
Assign Profile [sRGB- from the pop-up menu]. I would probably
choose this last option, but would probably not convert to my
working space (the option with a check box below). The first and
third options are similar (assuming the D1x is properly in the sRGB
color space) but the third option will "tag" the image with the
profile, while the first option will leave the image untagged.

As for shooting in sRBG in the first place, you got good advice
from one of the other respondants. Don't bother. Put your camera
in the Adobe RGB mode and leave it there. Like most Microsoft
schemes, they pushed yet another mediocre standard in sRGB. It
really serves very little useful purpose, if you ask me. AdobeRGB
is much, much better. If you have to output your images to use on
the web, use the ImageReady feature in Photoshop 6. You will never
miss sRGB.

Let me know if you have further questions.

Sincerely,
Stanton

Lorenzo Ceva said:

I am an Italian Photographer and I just brougt the new D1x after 18
month of using the D1.
My question is why if i use SRGB my pictures are always with too
strong color specially skins which are alvays reddish.
The only way to have good color is to use ADOBE RGB this is
visibile also on the monitor of the camera and also viewing the
images with nikon view3 or with photoshop 6.
--
lorenzo ceva

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lorenzo ceva said:

First of all really thankyou for you so compleete answer I really
apreciate!
I work on PC with Photoshop 6.01 and my monitor is a BARCO
reference calibrator V I hope calibrated! (6500 gamma 2.2)
I never used SRGB infact my question was why a camera like NIKON
D1x has as standard setting SRGB which produce in every condition
very bad result with color too strong.
I have been told that another Italian photographer had the same
problem with SRGB setting.
I now that It is one thing to have an image in a particular color
space,
but quite another to have the profile embedded (tagged) infact if
you have an image taken with D1x in JPG or TIFF with camera setting
SRGB there is no way to do a conversion in PHOTOSHOP.
I tried on few computer and also on a mac but my colors were ugly!
So the solutio is to work with camera setting ADOBE RGB.

I will try to ask you another question that you may solve for me!
When I work with PS 6.01 with image taken with a digital camera (d1
d1x or canon digital ixus) I have a problem with thunbnails.
If i open an image in PS6.01 and for example I turn it vertical and
I save it after if I charge it in NIKON VIEW I see it stil
orizzontal , in few word if I work with an image from a digital
camera the thunbnail do not change and it looks like the original
image was.
This does not happen with PP5.5 and happens with PP601 only with
JPG files but only with image from digital camera not from an image
created for example by my LS 2000.
The problem is that som printing sistem have big problem because if
I use a roteted image I get a print with half of my picture and the
rest all black.
I tried on a mac with PS 60.1 and this does not happen.
I have this problem on all my 3 PC
The strange thing is that if working with PHOTOSHOP 6.01 I save the
image in JPG but with the SAVE FOR THE WEB option then everything
works properly.
Am I crazy or do you now something about this?

My solution is to work in ps6.01 and at the end I open PS 5.5 and
with a BATCH I open the image and save them again so in this way
the thumbnails are correct.

Thankoyu again

Lorenzo

Stanton said:

I am not convinced that your system and/or Photoshop is set up
properly. There are a few thing I need to know to advise you:

1) Which computer platform and operating system are you using?
2) Is your monitor calibrated and profiled?
3) What is the color temperature and gamma of your monitor?
4) Which version of Photoshop are you using?

For this time, I will assume your computer/monitor are set up
properly, assume you are on a PC (not Mac) and your gamma is set to
2.2 and your color temperature is somewhere between 6500°k and
9300°, and assume you are using Photoshop 6. If you aren't
calibrated and profiled, at least set up your monitor using Adobe
Gamma.

In the Color Settings of Photoshop, make sure your working space is
set to AdobeRGB. DO NOT USE sRGB under ANY circumstances. Under
"Color Management Policies", select "Convert to Working RGB". Check
all the boxes in that section to ASK when there is a profile
mismatch or missing profile.

Now, when you open your sRGB image under these conditions, I will
assume that the image will be "untagged" (no profile embedded).
NOTE: It is one thing to have an image in a particular color space,
but quite another to have the profile embedded (tagged). Can I
assume that the D1x writes in sRBG but doesn't tag the image? The
reason you get ICC profiles with NEF images is because Capture or
Bibble ASSIGN the profiles and embed them in the files.

If the above is true, you will get a dialog box asking you do to
make a decision. You can leave it as is (Don't Color Manage),
assign AdobeRGB profile (don't do this if it is an sRGB image) or
Assign Profile [sRGB- from the pop-up menu]. I would probably
choose this last option, but would probably not convert to my
working space (the option with a check box below). The first and
third options are similar (assuming the D1x is properly in the sRGB
color space) but the third option will "tag" the image with the
profile, while the first option will leave the image untagged.

As for shooting in sRBG in the first place, you got good advice
from one of the other respondants. Don't bother. Put your camera
in the Adobe RGB mode and leave it there. Like most Microsoft
schemes, they pushed yet another mediocre standard in sRGB. It
really serves very little useful purpose, if you ask me. AdobeRGB
is much, much better. If you have to output your images to use on
the web, use the ImageReady feature in Photoshop 6. You will never
miss sRGB.

Let me know if you have further questions.

Sincerely,
Stanton

Lorenzo Ceva said:

I am an Italian Photographer and I just brougt the new D1x after 18
month of using the D1.
My question is why if i use SRGB my pictures are always with too
strong color specially skins which are alvays reddish.
The only way to have good color is to use ADOBE RGB this is
visibile also on the monitor of the camera and also viewing the
images with nikon view3 or with photoshop 6.
--
lorenzo ceva

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Stanton said:

I'll know more about the Windows side of Photoshop/Nikonview when
my (fully functional) PC is delivered tomorrow.

Good luck,
Stanton

lorenzo ceva said:

First of all really thankyou for you so compleete answer I really
apreciate!
I work on PC with Photoshop 6.01 and my monitor is a BARCO
reference calibrator V I hope calibrated! (6500 gamma 2.2)
I never used SRGB infact my question was why a camera like NIKON
D1x has as standard setting SRGB which produce in every condition
very bad result with color too strong.
I have been told that another Italian photographer had the same
problem with SRGB setting.
I now that It is one thing to have an image in a particular color
space,
but quite another to have the profile embedded (tagged) infact if
you have an image taken with D1x in JPG or TIFF with camera setting
SRGB there is no way to do a conversion in PHOTOSHOP.
I tried on few computer and also on a mac but my colors were ugly!
So the solutio is to work with camera setting ADOBE RGB.

I will try to ask you another question that you may solve for me!
When I work with PS 6.01 with image taken with a digital camera (d1
d1x or canon digital ixus) I have a problem with thunbnails.
If i open an image in PS6.01 and for example I turn it vertical and
I save it after if I charge it in NIKON VIEW I see it stil
orizzontal , in few word if I work with an image from a digital
camera the thunbnail do not change and it looks like the original
image was.
This does not happen with PP5.5 and happens with PP601 only with
JPG files but only with image from digital camera not from an image
created for example by my LS 2000.
The problem is that som printing sistem have big problem because if
I use a roteted image I get a print with half of my picture and the
rest all black.
I tried on a mac with PS 60.1 and this does not happen.
I have this problem on all my 3 PC
The strange thing is that if working with PHOTOSHOP 6.01 I save the
image in JPG but with the SAVE FOR THE WEB option then everything
works properly.
Am I crazy or do you now something about this?

My solution is to work in ps6.01 and at the end I open PS 5.5 and
with a BATCH I open the image and save them again so in this way
the thumbnails are correct.

Thankoyu again

Lorenzo

Stanton said:

I am not convinced that your system and/or Photoshop is set up
properly. There are a few thing I need to know to advise you:

1) Which computer platform and operating system are you using?
2) Is your monitor calibrated and profiled?
3) What is the color temperature and gamma of your monitor?
4) Which version of Photoshop are you using?

For this time, I will assume your computer/monitor are set up
properly, assume you are on a PC (not Mac) and your gamma is set to
2.2 and your color temperature is somewhere between 6500°k and
9300°, and assume you are using Photoshop 6. If you aren't
calibrated and profiled, at least set up your monitor using Adobe
Gamma.

In the Color Settings of Photoshop, make sure your working space is
set to AdobeRGB. DO NOT USE sRGB under ANY circumstances. Under
"Color Management Policies", select "Convert to Working RGB". Check
all the boxes in that section to ASK when there is a profile
mismatch or missing profile.

Now, when you open your sRGB image under these conditions, I will
assume that the image will be "untagged" (no profile embedded).
NOTE: It is one thing to have an image in a particular color space,
but quite another to have the profile embedded (tagged). Can I
assume that the D1x writes in sRBG but doesn't tag the image? The
reason you get ICC profiles with NEF images is because Capture or
Bibble ASSIGN the profiles and embed them in the files.

If the above is true, you will get a dialog box asking you do to
make a decision. You can leave it as is (Don't Color Manage),
assign AdobeRGB profile (don't do this if it is an sRGB image) or
Assign Profile [sRGB- from the pop-up menu]. I would probably
choose this last option, but would probably not convert to my
working space (the option with a check box below). The first and
third options are similar (assuming the D1x is properly in the sRGB
color space) but the third option will "tag" the image with the
profile, while the first option will leave the image untagged.

As for shooting in sRBG in the first place, you got good advice
from one of the other respondants. Don't bother. Put your camera
in the Adobe RGB mode and leave it there. Like most Microsoft
schemes, they pushed yet another mediocre standard in sRGB. It
really serves very little useful purpose, if you ask me. AdobeRGB
is much, much better. If you have to output your images to use on
the web, use the ImageReady feature in Photoshop 6. You will never
miss sRGB.

Let me know if you have further questions.

Sincerely,
Stanton

Lorenzo Ceva said:

I am an Italian Photographer and I just brougt the new D1x after 18
month of using the D1.
My question is why if i use SRGB my pictures are always with too
strong color specially skins which are alvays reddish.
The only way to have good color is to use ADOBE RGB this is
visibile also on the monitor of the camera and also viewing the
images with nikon view3 or with photoshop 6.
--
lorenzo ceva

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