any other S75 owners as ticked as I am?

TurboTed · Jun 7, 2001

hud said:
TurboTed said:

Hud,

Remind me, aren't you expecting a new child soon?

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Yes, my wife is due June 18th. She is ready to go at any moment. ;-)

I think I know where you're going with this though: "if you waited
for the S85, you wouldn't have had it in time".

Right

hud said:
And yes, that is
true. But, I could have at least weighed out that decision: do I
want to wait for the S85 and settle for taking film pictures of my
child for the first month or two, or do I want to go with the S75
and be able to take digital pics of my child right from the start?

I was not afforded the opportunity to make such a decision. That's
my point of discontent.

I can understand your position. The S85 is announced only a couple of weeks after the S75 is available (in the US anyway), why couldn't they have realized potential S75 buyers would be interested? You have to figure that even now, sales of the S75 have got to take a hit over then next couple of months. It is a fine balance between upsetting your loyal customers and competing with other manufacturers. You can't blame them for making the S85 and I doubt it was an easy decision to announce it when they did.

hud said:
-hud

cd cooker · Jun 7, 2001

Perhaps this is "Sony Style".

I don't think you can buy S85 in the next two or three months. I think it will only be available after the summer. We heard of S75 in january, right? I wish Sony will release their product info only when they are available for customer.

hud said:
This is crap. I've had my S75 in my hands for only 3-1/2 weeks,
and it's already outdated now.

Is anyone else who just bought an S75 ticked off by this news? If
so, please vent along with me. If not, are you nuts?

Please share in the anger (or feel free to disagree with me).

I am so much more angry than this post could ever convey, because I
am so much holding myself back right now, just to remain decent and
composed in this forum.

-hud, very very ticked off

KCTrio · Jun 7, 2001

Ulysses:

Have you ever heard of the "house of quality" concept? The Japanese invented the concept, and let me tell you, Japanese companies take customer input VERY seriously. The day you think that Sony can fit into the same category as the other American companies you listed along side them, you're mistaken.

I do find your input in this group quite refreshing, and I enjoy seeing how you feel about all of the issues posted. But, at the same time, when your posts focus on argumentative lecturing, you do this forum's members and people that are expressing valid opinions a disservice.

The fact is that I don't believe anyone here really knows why Sony did what they did. It may in fact have more to do with manufacturing than anything else. My belief is simply that these two cameras came out at different times because one was ready for release before the other. That coupled with the fact that both cameras serve two separate buyers (plain old product extention marketing) would explain why both products were developed in the first place.

My two cents on the purchase...

I'm happy with this camera, and knew it was a 2nd generation 3MP camera to begin with. I knew this could happen, and I'll stick with this camera for 12-18 months or longer before I even consider buying an upgrade.

However, there is the problem with the one-push white balance not showing up in the EXIF information...maybe this could be cause to return the camera as defective when the S85 is available at SonyStyle. Just a thought.

Kind regards to all.

Mike M - whose memories of waiting for the S75 are too fresh in his mind to want to go through another Sony bashing session.

hud said:
Ulysses said:

You sound as idealistic as 'hud' here.

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Yeah, he does, doesn't he? I'm so proud! It's good to know that
there's still hope for at least someone in this forum! ;-)

-hud, who will probably never totally shake his idealism

$$Policy$$ · Jun 7, 2001

Your attitude in normal for someone who hasn't purchased much electronic technology. It's the price we all pay for advancement. The fact that Sony is releasing a more advanced camera so quickly speaks to the breakneck speed that new technology is coming on line. Pitty the poor guys in design, development, and manufacturing. I bet they feel like they're working on a conveyor belt.

I purchased a P3 866 Dell about 18 months ago and paid $3,000. Do you know what that model is selling for today--$1,300. Am I sour? No. I love this machine. It works well, no problems to date and more than adequately handles my various needs.

Here's some of the big advancements coming down the pipe:

5.1M CCD -- S95
USB 2 transfer technology. (Similar to FireWire)
JPEG 2000 Better quality images with smaller file size.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.

You gotta jump sometime!

Uncle Bill · Jun 7, 2001

hud said:
This is crap. I've had my S75 in my hands for only 3-1/2 weeks,> and it's already outdated now.> > Is anyone else who just bought an S75 ticked off by this news? If> so, please vent along with me. If not, are you nuts?> > Please share in the anger (or feel free to disagree with me).> > I am so much more angry than this post could ever convey, because I> am so much holding myself back right now, just to remain decent and> composed in this forum.> > > -hud, very very ticked off> I, like my fellow Pennsylvanian, am very ticked off about this whole thing. Make no mistake about it, I intend to keep my S-75, and use it to its full potential. The problem here is that while Sony came out with a newer model only a few weeks after a lot of us have purchased the S-75, everything was not on the table. I can live with that to a degree. I agree with hud that I would have not have been too upset if the S-85 would have debuted a few months later. The problem, in my opinion, lies with the reviewers of sites such as this. These people had to have known the S-85 was to be announced, and wouldn't be surprised if they had it in their hands while we were all in a "Tizzy" about the S-75. So the problem, or question is; Should reviewers inform their readers about conflicts like this, and risk the rath of manufacturers, or keep quiet so that they'll always be the first to the first to play with the new toys. I prsonally think what they, the reviewers, did was very wrong. It might not matter to some, who have lots of money for such things, that will just upgrade when the S-85 arrives. But when you save for something like this over a period of time and are trying to make a correct decision on what to purchase, because you probably won't be buying another one for a while, and not all the information is laid out before you because of some confidentiality agreement between manufacturer and reviewer, that stinks! And it doesn't show that you care for your viewers either! Just my 2 cents, or rather should say 10 cents. Inflation.

tmexx · Jun 7, 2001

hud said:
This is crap. I've had my S75 in my hands for only 3-1/2 weeks,
and it's already outdated now.

3.5 weeks of fun.

hud said:
anyone else who just bought an S75 ticked off by this news? If
so, please vent along with me. If not, are you nuts?

I love my S75 and will till I decide to upgrade to an affordable SLR killer with REAL lens options in 1-2 years.

hud said:
Please share in the anger (or feel free to disagree with me).

Can't. You should be ashamed of yourself trying to have the latest greatest unless you are prepared to buy low and sell high every six months. Same deal with computers....

hud said:
-hud, very very ticked off

Just get a good buyer lined up and upgrade in September.....

OR, Upgrade to a camera which has MORE res and fixes CA and has an 802.11b connection to your laptop in about a year. (wouldn't that be cool?)

tmexx

mvdude · Jun 7, 2001

hud said:
I was not afforded the right to consider such
things between the S75 and S85, because Sony kept the S85 secret
from us.

Phil Askey kept the secret from us too. He must have had the S85 for at least a few days in order to have his review coincide with the Sony announcement.

Frank C. · Jun 7, 2001

hud said:
hud wrote:
...regarding potentially emotional topics at 2AM when I'm waaay too
tired,

But hud my friend, that's exactly when your thoughts are the
most lucid and clear. I don't find any of your remarks to be
in err or ill-founded at all. Sony threw us a spit ball...curve ball...
knuckle ball.. call it whatever you want, but we got it right between
the bean eyes and half of us are still laying on the ground
unconscious. The sad part of the story is that Sony will keep
throwing that pitch over and over again and simply watch those
bodies pile up as they go on with their things and not give
a hoot or care for them at all....

I never did get my firmware upgrade for my S70, and neither
will S75 owners get theirs....kinda makes you think twice about
mighty Sony Corp and their "just wait till you see our next
camera!!!" marketing ploys....I'm really starting to get sick of it.
Geez, we'll start trading Cybershots like we trade sports cards if
Sony keeps up this frantic pace. SONY PLEASE- worry about
your customer base FIRST and show us that you CARE... there is
such a thing as PATRONAGE and RETURN CUSTOMERS you
know (!)..........double (

hud · Jun 7, 2001

JS said:
hud said:

Sony kept the S85 secret from us.

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Phil Askey kept the secret from us too. He must have had the S85
for at least a few days in order to have his review coincide with
the Sony announcement.

Yes, but Sony was in control here. I'm sure Phil signed an NDA with Sony, so Phil was obviously legally obligated to not say anything. I in no way, shape, or form, blame Phil for keeping quiet. He had to. It was Sony controlling when the news would be let out.

-hud

Ulysses · Jun 7, 2001

Rights.... :-\

Ulysses · Jun 7, 2001

Feelings... :-\

Ulysses · Jun 7, 2001

Mike M said:
I do find your input in this group quite refreshing, and I enjoy
seeing how you feel about all of the issues posted. But, at the
same time, when your posts focus on argumentative lecturing, you do
this forum's members and people that are expressing valid opinions
a disservice.

Thanks for the input. Everyone has the right to debate. That's some of the most stimulating stuff that goes on here in the forum. And don't confuse debate with argument for its own sake. More on that later.

Valid opinions are just that --- opinions. Like noses, everybody has one, and they all smell.

I try to keep it short at times. More often than not, I'm lengthy and verbose. It's my style. Some folks like it, others don't. Can't help it. I try to do more good than harm. Whether I perform a service or disservice I leave up to the individuals. I know that I always respect the forum members here.

Sometimes my input is not how I personally feel. I'm aware that Sony takes note of what goes on in here. At times I take them to task precisely because they see the opinions here. At other times, I make a statement that has less to do with what I personally think than that I know it will get conversation flowing.

At other times, it's more beneficial to help folks keep calm. For example, complaining about the S85 at this point won't stop it's release, and it isn't likely to change how Sony releases their product. It's more productive to help S75 users figure out what they're going to do: Get the most usage they can out of their cameras and get beyond hurt feelings, or else figure a way to unload their S75 and get the camera that they think that they really want.

KCTrio said:
The fact is that I don't believe anyone here really knows why Sony
did what they did.

Well, not a lot of S75 owners, anyway. . .

KCTrio said:
That coupled with the fact that both
cameras serve two separate buyers (plain old product extention
marketing) would explain why both products were developed in the
first place.

You're getting warmer...

KCTrio said:
Mike M - whose memories of waiting for the S75 are too fresh in his
mind to want to go through another Sony bashing session.

Lawd, let us please not go through that again. Above all else, I don't feel that this has at any time been warranted. So if I come across as lecturing, that's not the intention. I'm long-winded... simple as that. Prepare yourself for more of that, and keep your finger on the scroll key, just in case I start going off. I won't take it personally, just as I don't take hud's worries personally. It's just the way he is. ;-)

aa · Jun 8, 2001

Member said:
Can't. You should be ashamed of yourself trying to have the latest
greatest unless you are prepared to buy low and sell high every six
months. Same deal with computers....
tmexx

Well...it's a good feeling : Feeling that you have the latest greatest thing. And i do think you should be able to have that feeling for a bit longer than 3 weeks.

I vote for at least 3-6 months!! Then they can come out with their new models and i won't any longer haver the latest greatest but just a very good camera that i can enjoy regardsless. I think digicam owner deserve such a honeymoon period of a 100 days just like presidents. S

Dh

Wolfgang Tichy · Jun 8, 2001

Hi Hud!

I know what you are talking about. I'm really nuts about electronic-toys BUT I DO LOVE my S75 and I'm NOT feeling bad about not getting the S85, because:

I do NOT need 4 MP; in fact I'm even not using the max resolution on my S75
the colours of my S75 are really wonderful for me with 90% of my pics!!!!!!

the other 10% can be corrected

silver is nicer

what I really would need is:

better zoom
high capacity memory stick (1GB) for about $100 that would be cool!!!

And:

The S75 was much money for me. Really much for a student just wanting a new toy. $100 more may not seem that much, but it is when the S75 already was the most I wanted to spend.

So go and spend the $100 you saved and buy a present for your wife!

Think about it that way: You spent $100 less for a camera that has the same use for you as the S85. Aren't S85 buyers just dumb?? ;-))

bye

Wolfgang

Kevin Verdon · Jun 8, 2001

Hud,

Yep as a fellow S75 owner I feel your pain. I do feel a bit like I'd been sucker punched by Sony. Thier withholding info on the S85 until they'd gotten their early sales on the S75 WAS a sneeky move and really did not let the early S75 owners make a good buying decision.

HOWEVER:

The S85 is only incrementally better than the S75. The 4vrs 3.3 mb rating is not going to do THAT much for picture quality except put fewer pics on the memory sticks. (hey I ryhyme

. The only way we'll ever know if its THAT much better on white balance is for someone to sit down and shoot 20-30 shots with each camera in the exact same lighting conditions. The glowing reviews of the S75 still stand.

The other big point is that you have the S75 NOW and I don't think you can convince your wife that she can wait another 2-3 months to have that baby

. When you look at all the baby shots you take with the S75 you'll be happy to have it instead of a vaporware S85. I'm in the same boat. We have a familly outing next week with my wife's nephews. Had I known about the S85 I'm not sure It would have made a diff as I need a camera now for that outing (our film camea is DOA).

In the end I'm happy with my S75 but I AM pissed at Sony for this sneak move on thier part. But after seeing thier little movie review fiasco, seems their used to a little dishonest info spreading.

Kevin

hud said:
This is crap. I've had my S75 in my hands for only 3-1/2 weeks,
and it's already outdated now.

Is anyone else who just bought an S75 ticked off by this news? If
so, please vent along with me. If not, are you nuts?

Please share in the anger (or feel free to disagree with me).

I am so much more angry than this post could ever convey, because I
am so much holding myself back right now, just to remain decent and
composed in this forum.

-hud, very very ticked off

hud · Jun 8, 2001

Frank C said:
Member said:

hud wrote:
...regarding potentially emotional topics at 2AM when I'm waaay too
tired,

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But hud my friend, that's exactly when your thoughts are the
most lucid and clear. I don't find any of your remarks to be
in err or ill-founded at all. Sony threw us a spit ball...curve
ball...
knuckle ball.. call it whatever you want, but we got it right between
the bean eyes and half of us are still laying on the ground
unconscious. The sad part of the story is that Sony will keep
throwing that pitch over and over again and simply watch those
bodies pile up as they go on with their things and not give
a hoot or care for them at all....

Frank,

Thanks. You know, you're absolutely right. When I got up the next morning, and was a little more rested, I re-read this stuff, and it was still just as upsetting as when I originally wrote it. I, and every other S75 owner, deserve to be ticked about this curve ball that Sony threw us.

Member said:
I never did get my firmware upgrade for my S70, and neither
will S75 owners get theirs....kinda makes you think twice about
mighty Sony Corp and their "just wait till you see our next
camera!!!" marketing ploys....I'm really starting to get sick of it.

Yeah, the firmware thing is annoying.

Member said:
Geez, we'll start trading Cybershots like we trade sports cards if
Sony keeps up this frantic pace. SONY PLEASE- worry about
your customer base FIRST and show us that you CARE... there is
such a thing as PATRONAGE and RETURN CUSTOMERS you
know (!)..........double (

Exactly. Worrying about customer base, showing customers you care, that is what business is supposed to be about. (there goes my idealism again)

-hud

Jack O'Neill · Jun 8, 2001

Hi hud,
Don't feel bad, enjoy your great camera. It really is one!

This kind of thing happens all the time if you want to be on the bleeding edge of technology.

Everyone just has accept the fact that for any camera or computer gear that you buy today, within two months or less there will be something out there better and faster than what you have and probably cost less too.

( did you see the television commercial where the fellow is taking home his new T5 computer and sees the billboard announcing the T6? Pretty funny but true.)

Sony is just trying to compete in the marketplace with everyone else.

They probably had the S85 design basically in their back pocket, since it's really just a new CCD and a little code work added to the S75 mechanics.

They needed something to compete with the E10.
No one will have the latest and greatest for more than a very short time..
Unless they are doing alot of buying & ebaying.

To me it's not about having the latest & greatest, that's not attainable for very long.

To me it's about getting as much out of the camera I have and taking alot of picturesd with it. The S75 is a good camera and it's getting better for me everyday as learn how to take advantage of it's better features.

Someday, maybe next year...I'll need a new one and get the best one for me, and next day a "better" one will be announced.

My 5 cents worth.

Jack

hud said:
Frank C said:

hud said:

hud wrote:
...regarding potentially emotional topics at 2AM when I'm waaay too
tired,

Click to expand...

But hud my friend, that's exactly when your thoughts are the
most lucid and clear. I don't find any of your remarks to be
in err or ill-founded at all. Sony threw us a spit ball...curve
ball...
knuckle ball.. call it whatever you want, but we got it right between
the bean eyes and half of us are still laying on the ground
unconscious. The sad part of the story is that Sony will keep
throwing that pitch over and over again and simply watch those
bodies pile up as they go on with their things and not give
a hoot or care for them at all....

Click to expand...

Frank,

Thanks. You know, you're absolutely right. When I got up the next
morning, and was a little more rested, I re-read this stuff, and it
was still just as upsetting as when I originally wrote it. I, and
every other S75 owner, deserve to be ticked about this curve ball
that Sony threw us.

hud said:

I never did get my firmware upgrade for my S70, and neither
will S75 owners get theirs....kinda makes you think twice about
mighty Sony Corp and their "just wait till you see our next
camera!!!" marketing ploys....I'm really starting to get sick of it.

Click to expand...

Yeah, the firmware thing is annoying.

hud said:

Geez, we'll start trading Cybershots like we trade sports cards if
Sony keeps up this frantic pace. SONY PLEASE- worry about
your customer base FIRST and show us that you CARE... there is
such a thing as PATRONAGE and RETURN CUSTOMERS you
know (!)..........double (

Click to expand...

Exactly. Worrying about customer base, showing customers you care,
that is what business is supposed to be about. (there goes my
idealism again)

-hud

hud · Jun 8, 2001

Ulysses said:
Rights.... :-

Yeah, rights. Don't you think consumers have certain unalienable rights? Like life, liberty, and the pusuit of the latest and greatest, uh, I mean , happiness?

;-)

-hud

hud · Jun 8, 2001

$$Policy said:
I purchased a P3 866 Dell about 18 months ago and paid $3,000. Do
you know what that model is selling for today--$1,300. Am I sour?
No. I love this machine. It works well, no problems to date and
more than adequately handles my various needs.

Do you see the difference in your Dell PC ananolgy as compared to this camera situation? The difference is the timeframe. 18 months. That works out to approx. 546 days, or equivalently 78 weeks. That's 75 weeks longer than 3 weeks. It's 25 times longer than 3 weeks.

Do you see what I'm getting at? As I've said over and over in this thread, it's not about whether the S75 is still great, or whether the S85 is that much greater. It's ALL about the timing. 3 weeks, that's what I have the problem with. That, coupled with the fact that the newer model wasn't a competitor's model, but rather from Sony themselves!!! And from the same exact product line!!! That's what really bugs me.

18 months I could have dealt with. even 12 months. Worst case, I was even mentally and emotionally prepared to deal with being outdone in 6 months. But 3 weeks, and from Sony themselves, is just like a big slap in the face to me.

-hud, feeling like a broken record

Jack O'Neill · Jun 8, 2001

One thing about Sony thats good is Sony does not cut prices like the other camera makers do. My S70 really held it's value.

At the Dell rate The S75 bought today for $615, would only be worth about $400 at most by Christmas and $266 in 18 months.

Jack

hud said:
$$Policy said:

I purchased a P3 866 Dell about 18 months ago and paid $3,000. Do
you know what that model is selling for today--$1,300. Am I sour?
No. I love this machine. It works well, no problems to date and
more than adequately handles my various needs.

Click to expand...

Do you see the difference in your Dell PC ananolgy as compared to
this camera situation? The difference is the timeframe. 18
months. That works out to approx. 546 days, or equivalently 78
weeks. That's 75 weeks longer than 3 weeks. It's 25 times longer
than 3 weeks.

Do you see what I'm getting at? As I've said over and over in this
thread, it's not about whether the S75 is still great, or whether
the S85 is that much greater. It's ALL about the timing. 3 weeks,
that's what I have the problem with. That, coupled with the fact
that the newer model wasn't a competitor's model, but rather from
Sony themselves!!! And from the same exact product line!!! That's
what really bugs me.

18 months I could have dealt with. even 12 months. Worst case, I
was even mentally and emotionally prepared to deal with being
outdone in 6 months. But 3 weeks, and from Sony themselves, is
just like a big slap in the face to me.

-hud, feeling like a broken record

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